Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=WillH;1102888]Just curious, but why? His stint with the Lions looks pretty lousy, they ranked dead last in yards AND points. What makes you think he'll do any better here?

Just to be clear, I'm asking sincerely, I know nothing of him other than that 1 stat.[/quote]

Well the whole team was lousy in Detroit at that time. Barry interests me because he was most recently a special teams coordinator as well, and from what I hear many think he has HC potential

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

I want someone that will require discipline, that is something this defense and for that matter the whole team has lacked since Gibbs left. Yeah, I've seen Phillips throughout his boring career, he is a decent DC.(better than Haslett for sure) I'm not satisfied with being average after 21 years of losing, I want a young hungry guy that wants to prove himself. I'm tired of retreads doing the same shit with different teams and getting canned after a few years. I want a winner who will change the attitude of the defense like a young Richie Petitbone. Give that Barry guy a chance, sure why not?

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

I will take a discipline guy if they get one, but your discounting of Phillips is ridiculous. I don't think he ever was fired as a DC and he is widely recognized as a top tier DC, not a run of the mill retread.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1102908]Difference is Wade Phillips has a MUCH better track record as a DC than Hazboro did.[/quote]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PhilWa0.htm]Wade Phillips Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Over his career, Phillips has delivered 7 defenses ranked in the top 5 in points allowed for 5 different teams. He didn't get a lot of help on some of those teams from the offense.

If anybody has a better track record on the defensive side of the ball we should hire them.

He has the exact opposite track record of Haslett. He has consistently been not only in the top half of the league, but in the top 10.

I like the idea of a young hire also, but Phillips is top notch.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

And there is this, which I totally agree with (having seen it over and over). Short term, yes. Long term, no.

[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1107225-texans-defense-will-collapse-in-year-two-under-wade-phillips]Houston Texans Defense Will Collapse in Year Two Under Wade Phillips | Bleacher Report[/url]

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1102925]And there is this, which I totally agree with (having seen it over and over). Short term, yes. Long term, no.

[url=http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1107225-texans-defense-will-collapse-in-year-two-under-wade-phillips]Houston Texans Defense Will Collapse in Year Two Under Wade Phillips | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Talk about cherry picking statistics. That guy's story is so misleading. In every single example he cited he didn't give any numbers from the next couple of years with the same teams.

The 3rd year in Philly, his defense was back up to 14th.

He followed up the bad year in Denver with having the 3rd ranked D in 91.

After the bad year in Buff, he lead the 2nd ranked D in the league in 99.

San Diego, he was back to 7th after the bad year there.

There are going to be good years and bad years because of injury, personnel changes and the dependency on the offense to not leave you on the field for 3/4 of the game. His last year in Houston, his defense, as bad as it was still had a better ranking than their terrible offense.

Bleacher report analysis isn't the best out there but the author did point out how defensive rankings were like a roller coaster with huge swings up and down. At least the author of that article doesn't split his time covering English Premier League Soccer.

Phillips has averaged ranking 14.5 in points allowed over his career. He is averaging being in the top half of the league.

He hasn't squeaked into the top half either.

Top 10 defense 10 times.

Top 5 defense 5 times.

I don't believe anybody thinks Phillips is the answer for the next decade. We aren't the Steelers.

He is a good defensive coordinator who would help us in the short term if we can't find the next big thing.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

The problem with Phillips is that he is a nice guy, players take advantage of his good nature. We need someone that won't let the insane run the asylum, that's what worries me. The culture in the locker room needs to change, players need to be held accountable with no free rides.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

A good coach is a good coach. Getting in players faces may work at first, but, without good coaching, it wears thin fast. What matters is getting results. W. Phillips gets results.

Like others have said, he is not a long term plan but he is a HUGE upgrade over Hazlett.
I got no problem with WP. I would count us lucky to get him.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

I just reviewed Barry's stats from his stint in Detroit...yikes! Gave up the most points and most yards...BOTH years.

I'm not sure why we're looking hard at him at this point.

There has to be better candidates out there.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1102932]A good coach is a good coach. Getting in players faces may work at first, but, without good coaching, it wears thin fast. What matters is getting results. W. Phillips gets results.

Like others have said, he is not a long term plan but he is a HUGE upgrade over Hazlett.
I got no problem with WP. I would count us lucky to get him.[/quote]Just to be clear, the only reason Wade wouldn't be a long term solution is that he's 67. Not everybody can be Dick LeBeau (77), lol.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1102932]A good coach is a good coach. Getting in players faces may work at first, but, without good coaching, it wears thin fast. What matters is getting results. W. Phillips gets results.

Like others have said, [B]he is not a long term plan[/B] but he is a HUGE upgrade over Hazlett.
I got no problem with WP. I would count us lucky to get him.[/quote]

Given that a year from now likely we will be doing the total housecleaning that we should be doing now, no one in the FO is a long-term employee.

Wade Philips is a good choice for a one-year rental.

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Kinda amazing folks ready to give up on Jay g already.

I think wade Phillips would be a solid addition. Think he could do a good job with the defense, also could help Jay as a head coach. Wade could offer great support to the staff as a whole.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1102952]Kinda amazing folks ready to give up on Jay g already.

I think wade Phillips would be a solid addition. Think he could do a good job with the defense, also could help Jay as a head coach. Wade could offer great support to the staff as a whole.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

Why hasn't Phillips coached since the texans? Retirement?

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=Chico23231;1102952]Kinda amazing folks ready to give up on Jay g already.

I think wade Phillips would be a solid addition. Think he could do a good job with the defense, also could help Jay as a head coach. Wade could offer great support to the staff as a whole.[/quote]

I agree with you about Wade.

And I'm not giving up on Gruden (although I have my doubts) as much as I'm done with anything that involves Bruce Allen, as such things always end in disaster.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1102954]Why hasn't Phillips coached since the texans? Retirement?[/quote]

I mean it's only been one season that he hasn't coached

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I like Wade but dont want him,I would like us to go back to the 4-3 def.Never been happy with the 3-4.Until we can get a stud nosetackle screw the 3-4

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

Wade would be nice but I agree Ht I'm down with the 4-3 defense now. Screw the 34

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If Phillips comes here the 3-4 isn't going away.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1102967]If Phillips comes here the 3-4 isn't going away.[/QUOTE]
True and more to the point we know he knows what a 3-4 needs, and I imagine he would get what he needs

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1102954]Why hasn't Phillips coached since the texans? Retirement?[/quote]

He took some time off to model for the Pillsbury Dough Boy. Can't blame him, really.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1102961]I mean it's only been one season that he hasn't coached[/quote]
365....very long days
Sorry! dude has lost it.....

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1102962]I like Wade but dont want him,I would like us to go back to the 4-3 def.Never been happy with the 3-4.Until we can get a stud nosetackle screw the 3-4[/quote]

no offense, but i guess you don't know WP's defensive plan too well. he uses smaller DTs at nose to shoot the gap, and he uses a 4 man front on 3rd down (moving the OLBs to a DE look). cofield would be a better fit in that system.


also, (not at you htown) - let's be careful about bleacher report articles. they're usually very poorly written/researched and meant to get page views rather than inform. i'm not saying it's all crap, but...

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[QUOTE=That Guy;1103051]no offense, but i guess you don't know WP's defensive plan too well. he uses smaller DTs at nose to shoot the gap, and he uses a 4 man front on 3rd down (moving the OLBs to a DE look). cofield would be a better fit in that system.





also, (not at you htown) - let's be careful about bleacher report articles. they're usually very poorly written/researched and meant to get page views rather than inform. i'm not saying it's all crap, but...[/QUOTE]


Well no I did not know that, thanks for informing me.if that's the case and we're going to stick with the 3-4 then it seems like Wade would be a good fit.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1103056]Well no I did not know that, thanks for informing me.if that's the case and we're going to stick with the 3-4 then it seems like Wade would be a good fit.[/quote]

Yea Wade teaches a 1 Gap technique. We were running a two gap technique woih Haslett but it felt like to me our Dline is built for a 1 Gap.

If we go get Wade. I could see us using our first pick on a Dlineman

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=Mattyk;1102967]If Phillips comes here the 3-4 isn't going away.[/quote]because of gruden or because of personnel?

I'm not saying we can't run the 3-4 but dont think we are particulary better suited for it.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1103097]because of gruden or because of personnel?

I'm not saying we can't run the 3-4 but dont think we are particulary better suited for it.[/quote]

It's what he's known for

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/09/27/professor-wade-phillips-texans-dc-explains-why-his-3-4-defense-isnt-like-all-the-others/]Professor Wade Phillips, Texans DC, explains why his 3-4 defense isn’t like all the others - NFL.com[/url]

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=Mattyk;1103100]It's what he's known for

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/09/27/professor-wade-phillips-texans-dc-explains-why-his-3-4-defense-isnt-like-all-the-others/]Professor Wade Phillips, Texans DC, explains why his 3-4 defense isn’t like all the others - NFL.com[/url][/quote]duh, dunno what i was thinking.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

I want London Fletcher for DC......

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

So Kerrigan in the JJ Watt role, sounds like a plan.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

Kerrigan in the Brooks Reed role.

Jarvis Jenkins in the JJ Watt role (for now).

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=Lotus;1103129]Kerrigan in the Brooks Reed role.

Jarvis Jenkins in the JJ Watt role (for now).[/quote]


And hopefully by Jarvis Jenkins it turns out to be Leonard Williams

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1103136]And hopefully by Jarvis Jenkins it turns out to be Leonard Williams[/quote]

That would be so sweet.

Re: Vic Fangio and other to be interviewed for Defense.
 

I'm just gonna lock this up and keep the "Wade Phillips to Interview" thread going