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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1110664][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/04/03/dashon-goldson-issues-statements-on-trade-to-washington/]Dashon Goldson issues statements on trade to Washington - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

I like him already.

And the move is A OK in my book. I really don't understand all the complaining. Just complainers doing what they do I guess...

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Folks complaining about this move is like a homeless person complaining because he found an old dirty $5 bill when all he had was $.99 in change in his pocket... lmao. gtfoh

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for once we seem to have a coherent plan. that is all I want to see. I truly feel like we are climbing out of the basement. Regardless of record next year, we are getting better.

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He has some flaws in his game but i like what he can do overall for us. I mean we were/are in bad shape up top. Wonder if Dashon/Jeron will in fact be the tandem. I think i like it. But we always seem to sign tackling safties at fs or ss. Meriweather, bringing clark back, our woes with flaws in landrys game. Now i feel like we need another cb again..... I can see him getting picks with us i dunno why.

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[quote=Skins4L;1110668]He has some flaws in his game but i like what he can do overall for us. I mean we were/are in bad shape up top. Wonder if Dashon/Jeron will in fact be the tandem. I think i like it. But we always seem to sign tackling safties at fs or ss. Meriweather, bringing clark back, our woes with flaws in landrys game. Now i feel like we need another cb again..... I can see him getting picks with us i dunno why.[/quote]

Of course all those problems were exacerbated by poor pass rush. Really need someone besides Kerrigan to bring heat from the edge - not occasional heat - lots of heat. Then I will feel like we have an extremely competitive defense.

Lot of new parts and a new coordinator though, we are going to have screw ups in the beginning, but should get better as year goes on.

Know what I am most excited for? Let's see what Keenan Robinson can do behind Knighton and the deeper front. I see him shooting a lot of gaps and making a lot of plays.

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Goldson, Johnson, Thomas, Ihenacho, Robinson, Davis. I like what I see in addition to our CB's. Now draft a replacement for Orakpo and a MLB to replace Riley and we are set on D.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1110619]This team is in full rebuild mode. So to me, that means I'm not signing anyone 30 or over. No more stop gaps. Period. Personally I would have looked at the draft or undrafted free agents to fill FS. And even though this is a draft swap, we're still out a 6th rounder this year.

What's SM's strength? The draft and having lots of draft picks. So in his first year, I'm keeping every draft pick I can this year. Maybe we move down and get a pick back but right now, just not a fan of giving up a pick this year for a player on the decline.[/quote]

The picks are 2016, so we still have them all this year, and there are no FS prospects in this draft would remotely resemble a starter for several years. If Goldson can get back to half his SF days this will be a huge upgrade. I also read that his big problem in Tampa was a scheme issues. We will be running the same scheme as SF.

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[quote=mrreddman;1110666]Folks complaining about this move is like a homeless person complaining because he found an old dirty $5 bill when all he had was $.99 in change in his pocket... lmao. gtfoh[/quote]

Indeed.

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[quote=hutch17;1110679]The picks are 2016, so we still have them all this year, and there are no FS prospects in this draft would remotely resemble a starter for several years. If Goldson can get back to half his SF days this will be a huge upgrade. I also read that his big problem in Tampa was a scheme issues. We will be running the same scheme as SF.[/quote]

When do 30+ year olds that haven't played well in two years get their form back? Basically he made no plays in TB. Just not a fan of it. I'd rather try and develop a younger guy there who will be around a while, instead of a one year rental that will probably be gone after next year, a la Ryan Clark.

I do like the other moves SM has made, just not this one.

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Who says you can't draft a guy to develop?? I don't think trading for Goldson slams the door on addressing the safeties for this offseason.

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[quote=Mattyk;1110683]Who says you can't draft a guy to develop?? I don't think trading for Goldson slams the door on addressing the safeties for this offseason.[/quote]

SM may be paying a guy that has the know how (2 pro bowls) but lacks the physical tools to mentor a draft pick.

He may not be at top form but is still a huge upgrade from what we have/had going into the season.

I trust SM.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1110681]When do 30+ year olds that haven't played well in two years get their form back? Basically he made no plays in TB. Just not a fan of it. I'd rather try and develop a younger guy there who will be around a while, instead of a one year rental that will probably be gone after next year, a la Ryan Clark.

I do like the other moves SM has made, just not this one.[/quote]

The problem is you are taking Cerrato moves and equating that to the player. Tampa Bay went full Vinny in FA. Just signing the big name regardless of whether they fit the system. When your system turns Revis into an average CB, Im ok with questioning the system.

The cost of switching a 6th for a 7th a year down the road is next to nothing. No guaranteed money means we can walk away from the contract real easy. Lets say Goldson is flat out terrible, how is that any different than the last few years out of the secondary? It also allows us to do something that you are calling for. For us to develop a younger player. The finishing to developing a player requires him to play, but that doesnt mean that the development cant start with him on the bench. I would even go so far as to say that a lot of players never develop when they are thrown into the fire and fail early on in their career. Some can come back from that, a lot cant. IMO, failure as a rookie can derail some players development.

Redskins trade for Free Safety Dashon Goldson
 

I kinda find it hard to believe at 30 the guy is washed up. Seems that he was just a bad fit scheme wise in Tampa. It happens.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1110678]Goldson, Johnson, Thomas, Ihenacho, Robinson, Davis. I like what I see in addition to our CB's. Now draft a replacement for Orakpo and a MLB to replace Riley and we are set on D.[/quote]

Not only do I think we get a pass rusher with the first pick, but I we also draft a ilb(mlb) to give strong competition to Riley. Where there is really limited safety options this draft, the inside linebacker position has some strong 2nd round-5th prospects. There is another linebacker at Clemson not named beasly who is a solid player..name escapes me but he projects as ILB, seems really talented

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[QUOTE]
[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/04/04/should-the-redskins-have-been-more-patient-in-getting-goldson/]Should the Redskins have been more patient in getting Goldson? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

...Compare what the Redskins are paying Goldson to the one-year, $2 million deal that Tyvon Branch signed with the Chiefs or the one-year, $2.25 million contract Louis Delmas got to stay with the Chiefs. For that matter, Rahim Moore, the second-ranked free agent safety this offseason, got a three-year deal averaging $4 million per year.

On the open market, Goldson would have been offered a deal much closer to what Branch and Delmas got. All the Redskins had to do was wait for the Bucs to cut him...
[/QUOTE]

Love the deal, but points have been made whether even $4million was overpaying him given $2 million deals handed out for midling safeties this offseason. Regardless, I don't care, I'm hoping he does well & revives his careeor for a few years while we draft a replacement. Also I think on our team, we couldn't afford to lose out to another team again and have no options left at safety..

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I couldn't say "down" because we have nobody else and I suppose there is a chance that he'll help us, so I said "up" with little enthusiasm.

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[quote=Mattyk;1110683]Who says you can't draft a guy to develop?? I don't think trading for Goldson slams the door on addressing the safeties for this offseason.[/quote]

I agree. They have very little depth behind him, so its very likely we get a draft pick or UDFA there.

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[quote=ethat001;1110688]Love the deal, but points have been made whether even $4million was overpaying him given $2 million deals handed out for midling safeties this offseason. Regardless, I don't care, I'm hoping he does well & revives his careeor for a few years while we draft a replacement. Also I think on our team, we couldn't afford to lose out to another team again and have no options left at safety..[/quote]

None of the guys Tandler mentions have a first team All Pro honor in their trophy case. Stupid concern.

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Good lord it truly is not possible to please everyone. Someone always bitches about something.

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After the TB debacle and the fact that he signed a 1 year like Knighton, I can see Goldson being hungry and try to prove himself.

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Another thing people are forgetting is the fact that we have a new Defensive coordinator.

I'm with the rest of you, I want to see our defense improved (obviously) but we have NO idea how these players are going to mesh and play together when we don't even fully know what our defense is going to look like.

At this point, all we can do is wait and have faith in our team. With Scot Mc running things around here i have more faith than previous years.

Lets save the complaining for AFTER the season.

Everyone needs to cheer up! It's the off season and we're definitely getting better. That's all I wanted.

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The guy says the right things for me as a fan..

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1110694]After the TB debacle and the fact that he signed a 1 year like Knighton, I can see Goldson being hungry and try to prove himself.[/quote]

Just to point out, Goldson didnt sign a 1 year contract. He still has 3 years remaining on his existing contract. This year he has a 4 mil cap hit since TB ate the 4 mil left in guaranteed money. The next 2 years, the cap hit is in the 7 to 8 mil range. However, he has no guaranteed money left in his contract, so we can cut him with nothing against the cap (unless we cut him after he earns his workout bonus).

He should have incentive to gain those last two years of his contract though. If he doesnt play well and gets cut next offseason, he will not be signing for much at all imo.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1110697]Just to point out, Goldson didnt sign a 1 year contract. He still has 3 years remaining on his existing contract. This year he has a 4 mil cap hit since TB ate the 4 mil left in guaranteed money. The next 2 years, the cap hit is in the 7 to 8 mil range. However, he has no guaranteed money left in his contract, so we can cut him with nothing against the cap (unless we cut him after he earns his workout bonus).

He should have incentive to gain those last two years of his contract though. If he doesnt play well and gets cut next offseason, he will not be signing for much at all imo.[/QUOTE]
Good point also a good reason to trade and not wait till he is cut.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1110687]Not only do I think we get a pass rusher with the first pick, but I we also draft a ilb(mlb) to give strong competition to Riley. Where there is really limited safety options this draft, the inside linebacker position has some strong 2nd round-5th prospects. [B]There is another linebacker at Clemson not named beasly who is a solid player..name escapes me but he projects as ILB, seems really talented[[/B]/QUOTE]

Linebacker Stephone Anthony and defensive tackle Grady Jarrett will be joining Beasley as top-100 draft choices from Clemson defense.

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What do we currently have on the team at that position that says we're better off with them rather than picking up Goldson? I mean, sure, McCloughan is not going to hit on every player he chooses, whether that be in the draft or free agency. But, he's right more than he's wrong, and even if Goldson doesn't turn out to contribute much to the team, it's not like we're paying him a huge guaranteed contract.

Just continue to trust the system. It's going to take awhile.

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The only downside to this trade is we may possibly be overpaying for a starting safety.

At the same time, if he doesn't make the team or if a better option arises after teams start cutting rosters, all we done is moved down in the 6th round to ensure we at least had a starting caliber free safety.on the roster.

If we end up overpaying for his services this year, okay. Not like T.Williams is getting cut to make room for him. There is plenty of cap flexibility and a 1-2M overpay is not going to hurt us in either the short or long term. Signing Goldson gives us an insurance policy at the FS position and doesn't prevent us from exploring any of the other options others have said we should do (moving guys, signing guys, drafting guys, developing. guys).

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^^ agreed. And this allows us to go into the draft with at least some flexibility regarding safeties. If somehow there is a run in the second we aren't caught picking from a bare cupboard.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1110738]The only downside to this trade is we may possibly be overpaying for a starting safety.

At the same time, if he doesn't make the team or if a better option arises after teams start cutting rosters, all we done is moved down in the 6th round to ensure we at least had a starting caliber free safety.on the roster.

If we end up overpaying for his services this year, okay. Not like T.Williams is getting cut to make room for him. There is plenty of cap flexibility and a 1-2M overpay is not going to hurt us in either the short or long term. Signing Goldson gives us an insurance policy at the FS position and doesn't prevent us from exploring any of the other options others have said we should do (moving guys, signing guys, drafting guys, developing. guys).

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YOU know that's BS. Shanallen....Snyderatto.....All..Sny......BruDan...
F..d this up and undermined us once again......
Another 20 years down the toilet......

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with all the holes to fill there will have to be chances taken..Its not like there are a lot of options out there for a starting safety. we really did not give up much to take a chance at upgrade..and if we sat still we might not could have landed this player..desperate teams sometimes do desperate things..The Skins are desperate at DB …maybe the worst in the league last year..

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As usual, excellent write up by Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/16477/redskins-scouting-report-dashon-goldson?ex_cid=espnapi_public]Washington Redskins scouting report: Dashon Goldson - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

The crux of it is that he is a solid tackler and plays well when he keeps the plays in front of him. He is not good in coverage and asking him to man up on WR's or pass receiving TE's does not play to his strength. His skills are very scheme related. From the article:

[quote]Goldson is one exhibit for why it’s hard to throw big money at safeties. They’re a little more scheme-reliant and dependent on what’s around them. Goldson did well in San Francisco, but he was surrounded by a talented roster. The Niners did not have to ask him to do things he could not -- like cover one-on-one too often. Also, in one 49ers game I watched from 2012, the Niners had Goldson line up a little deeper when playing deep middle -- by perhaps two yards from what Tampa would do in a similar look. [/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1110744]As usual, excellent write up by Keim:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/16477/redskins-scouting-report-dashon-goldson?ex_cid=espnapi_public]Washington Redskins scouting report: Dashon Goldson - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

The crux of it is that he is a solid tackler and plays well when he keeps the plays in front of him. He is not good in coverage and asking him to man up on WR's or pass receiving TE's does not play to his strength. His skills are very scheme related. From the article:[/quote]

I really hope someone out of this group of safeties that we have (or someone we draft) comes out to be a solid pure free safety. It seems that we have a lot of guys that are good at tackling and help against the run game. But we need a pure free safety that can cover the top of the field and provide help to the CBs.

I don't like this attitude that our team has about having guys that can play either position. It seems that every year we cannot get a safety, I hear this line from the coaches. I know it is good to have versatile players that can play either position, but this whole approach of having safeties that can play either position continues to not work.

Maybe an improved pass rush can help the secondary, but I hope McC can find longtime FS in the draft.

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IF we can get just adequate play from a S it is an improvement.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1110745]I really hope someone out of this group of safeties that we have (or someone we draft) comes out to be a solid pure free safety. It seems that we have a lot of guys that are good at tackling and help against the run game. But we need a pure free safety that can cover the top of the field and provide help to the CBs.

I don't like this attitude that our team has about having guys that can play either position. It seems that every year we cannot get a safety, I hear this line from the coaches.[B] I know it is good to have versatile players that can play either position, but this whole approach of having safeties that can play either position continues to not work. [/B]

Maybe an improved pass rush can help the secondary, but I hope McC can find longtime FS in the draft.[/quote]

I don't mean to sound like Captain Obvious, but we have had very little to no investment in drafting a FS high in the draft or success in finding one in the lower rounds. You can't polish a turd.
So the problem is not the approach of wanting our safeties to be interchangeable. The problem has been the lack of talent and the inability to find or develop a good FS period.

In terms of a solution for next season, I feel IMO it would be wise in long obvious passing downs (dime defense) we should probably have D. Hall in the deep safety role, Culliver & Breeland & Amerson at CB and Goldson closer to the line protecting against the run. After adding a top OLB with the #5, our pass rush should be much improved, so our DB's should have an easier time.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1110745]I really hope someone out of this group of safeties that we have (or someone we draft) comes out to be a solid pure free safety. It seems that we have a lot of guys that are good at tackling and help against the run game. But we need a pure free safety that can cover the top of the field and provide help to the CBs.

I don't like this attitude that our team has about having guys that can play either position. It seems that every year we cannot get a safety, I hear this line from the coaches. I know it is good to have versatile players that can play either position, but this whole approach of having safeties that can play either position continues to not work.

Maybe an improved pass rush can help the secondary, but I hope McC can find longtime FS in the draft.[/quote]

If we had true center fielder then I don't think we'd hear much of this "he can play either position" talk from the coaches. It's as if they really mean to say "Well, if he doesn't work out at FS then we can try him at SS".

The most welcome scenario is that we'll find out that we have some guys who will do a pretty good job at the safety positions. That is a real possibility that I think some of us are already discounting.

Like you, I'd be very pleased to see us land a promising FS in the draft.

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[quote=FRPLG;1110747]IF we can get just adequate play from a S it is an improvement.[/quote]

Right. As long as they don't ask Goldson to man up on Graham or any of his ilk, he sounds like he should be adequate. Again, they need to make sure they use him in a way that suits his abilities, and, if they do, I think he has to be an upgrade over Clark. [As I recall, PFF had Clark as the worst starting safety this year. In fairness, Goldson was not much better].

I am not holding my breath on a safety out of this draft that will be ready to play anytime soon (I mean, maybe, two years down the road, but not a guy who's going to be getting significant time this year or next).

Still think Johnson is going to be a real steal and, if Goldson can just (for now) be an upgrade over Clark, I will be happy.

As a side note, it is interesting to me to see the real dearth of talent at the S position. Outside of Chancellor and Thomas, really very few names jump to mind. It's like the position - league wide - is filled with "Just-a-Guy's".

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[quote=Defensewins;1110748]I don't mean to sound like Captain Obvious, but we have had very little to no investment in drafting a FS high in the draft or success in finding one in the lower rounds. You can't polish a turd.
So the problem is not the approach of wanting our safeties to be interchangeable. The problem has been the lack of talent and the inability to find or develop a good FS period.

[B]In terms of a solution for next season, I feel IMO it would be wise in long obvious passing downs (dime defense) we should probably have D. Hall in the deep safety role, Culliver & Breeland & Amerson at CB and Goldson closer to the line protecting against the run. After adding a top OLB with the #5, our pass rush should be much improved, so our DB's should have an easier time.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, I am okay with D.Hall being the deep cover on occasion (though even then I am not confident in his ability to take the right angles or recognize where he needs to provide help; essentially, he would just be an extra CB handling the deep zone). Just don't think he is a real "solution" to the safety issue.

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Safety in the NFL is a a position that can have vastly different roles depending on scheme. Even subtle changes in scheme and approach can increase/decrease the effectiveness of skill-utilization at the Safety position. That's probably true of almost every position but at the Safety position when you're not getting production it means TDs. When a LB get schemed out of being effective the immediate results aren't as obvious. I am pretty sure you could take Chancellor or Thomas, put him in a different scheme with different responsibilities and make them look ordinary. All-world Safeties like Taylor and Reed who can do everything are rare.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1110753]Yeah, I am okay with D.Hall being the deep cover on occasion (though even then I am not confident in his ability to take the right angles or recognize where he needs to provide help; essentially, he would just be an extra CB handling the deep zone). [B]Just don't think he is a real "solution" to the safety issue[/B].[/quote]

D. Hall is a pretty smart and experienced veteran DB. There ain't much he has not seen or cannot handle scheme wise, other then having to be extremely physical.
In terms of a solution, I meant it just for next season until we draft/develop a young FS center fielder. Depending on what Goldson can do in our scheme, we may not have a legit ball hawk FS at this time. I have a feeling our new GM will address this need of a young FS somewhere. We just need a quick, cheap, temporary plug at FS at this season, even if it is two or three guys (Goldson & D. Hall) for the short term.
We are miles ahead talent wise to where we have been the last few years, where we were devoid of talent.

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I am hoping that, in a couple years, we look back on the safety position with the same "WTF, how could we play those guys?" we now look at the 2011 WR corp (FYI - J.Gaffney was our leading receiver w/ D. Stallworth and Anthony Armstrong in the mix).