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No doubt. The best evaluation of future trends is previous history, but that was a big win nonetheless.

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Matthew Stafford benched today. Would anybody take him over KC?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1125160]Matthew Stafford benched today. Would anybody take him over KC?[/quote]

*Raises hand quickly*

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Not sure I would at his price tag but he is an upgrade

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You can have him AFAIAC. Great arm, but he doesn't have a very good football IQ. He still doesn't call protection schemes and hardly audibles at all for example.

And being in a dink and dunk offense like Lombardi is doing is the worst possible kind for him to be in, we may as well be using some veteran journeyman if that's what Lombardi is going to continue to do.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/10/11/neil-degrasse-tyson-says-bengals-win-over-seahawks-was-aided-by-earths-rotation/[/url]

Sports and science. NDT is also the f-ing man.

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Stanford needs a change of scenery, gladly would take him

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No i wouldn't take him he's got a good arm but he's not accurate at all and makes bad decisions.

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Even though the score didnt show it I thought the Cowboys defense looked good,their pathetic offense did them in.
They sacked Brady 5 times and pressured him a lot,unfortunately Hardy doesn't look like he's missed a beat.
The Pats are a machine,Not looking forward to our game with them

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Pats really could go 16-0 again. I don't think they will but they are the best team right now. Sf giving NY a fight I didn't see that coming.

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Go Niners. First place is a good place to be.

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Cmon SF pull it out lol the east is so bad

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HAHAHAHAHA....Eli got trucked on his scramble.

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C'mon that's a TO signal

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Looked like he was pointing a finger and shielding it with the other hand but whatever. Go niners!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1125197]C'mon that's a TO signal[/quote]

He's either asking Coughlin if he wants a T or he's signaling the WRs, in which case they need to come up with a better signal. Ref did it right.

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Fuck u niners. That is just awful. Awful.

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That's y sf is 1-4 because they don't have the playmakers on defense anymore to close the deal

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Fuck you 49ers....just choked like a mother fucker.

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Were playing the best ball in the division rite now. Cant wait till next week.

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A fight in Lot 10 after Pats - Cowboys gm @ATTStadium. Victim shot in the head. Serious condition. Not fatal [/B]

[url]https://twitter.com/clarencehilljr/status/653401861622362112[/url]

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Per eye witness, suspect was egged on by a crowd of people to kill the victim. #shooting #attstadium[/B]

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What the fuck is wrong with people? Egging the guy on to kill him? Are you kidding me?

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The L. Donnell catch in NY to end the game... Does it seem to anyone else that that ball moved around quite a bit? When he actually had control his back was out of bounds.

Not sour grapes, but wondering why nobody is talking about that?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1125197]C'mon that's a TO signal[/quote]

No ,not even close but I bet they change the signal.

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A question, maybe worth it's own thread, but probably not.

While I do love watching the Cowboyszone go into meltdown mode over the last 3 weeks, one of the issues they are crying about has me curious about the rules.

In the following play, [url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000554804/Can-t-Miss-Play-Brady-finds-Edelman-for-59-yard-TD]Can't-Miss Play: Brady finds Edelman for 59-yard TD - NFL Videos[/url]

New England lines Edelman up on the inside, and another receiver in the slot. Edelman takes off at a diagonal to the sideline, and the slot runs straight. Since it's man to man the CB covering Edelman is effectively blocked or picked. Cowboys fans say it is a blatant foul. I'm sure NE fans would smirk and say maybe.

Is it a pick by NFL definition?

The funny thing about the complaining is that it ignores the fact during the run after the catch no less than 6 Cowboys had good shots at him, and just missed him. But again, is it a pick?

Thanks

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Here is the rule as it is written.

[QUOTE]Article 2 Prohibited Acts by both teams while the ball is in the air. Acts that are pass interference
include but are not limited to:
(a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the
catch.
(b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
(c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.
(d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and
regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball.
[B](e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball.[/B]
(f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s
body to turn prior to the ball arriving.
(g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating a separation in an attempt
to catch a pass. [/QUOTE]

on the Edelman play, I am not sure the ball is even in the air when the slot guy gains his position, so it seems like the defender has to go around him. The fact that the defenders get tangled up with him seems more like poor coverage angles, but again, I don't know the rule and application so I'm hoping someone might have better explanations.

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[QUOTE=Stacks42;1125212]The L. Donnell catch in NY to end the game... Does it seem to anyone else that that ball moved around quite a bit? When he actually had control his back was out of bounds.



Not sour grapes, but wondering why nobody is talking about that?[/QUOTE]


He had possession clearly when his back landed out of bounds. And I was miserable about it. He held the ball. No doubt.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1125215]No ,not even close but I bet they change the signal.[/QUOTE]


Wouldnt say "not even close" simply because .... Well....IT WAS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS U CAN GET! lol
They are definitely changing that signal.
I agree that there is no way he meant TO, but who the feck decided that would jive as an in game signal?

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This mnf game is boring as fff

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Phillip Rivers is such a good qb, and I feel like his career is wasted in SD.

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[quote=punch it in;1125286]Phillip Rivers is such a good qb, and I feel like his career is wasted in SD.[/quote]

He's missing 3 starters on the OL, they are banged up.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1125294]He's missing 3 starters on the OL, they are banged up.[/QUOTE]


Are u saying that because its more impressive watching him work with the lack of help in front of him, or because if SD had those three back it wouldnt be a waste of his career?
The guy is such a good qb, but when you start rattling off the best he is always sort of an afterthought.
So many other teams that if he played on all these years would have resulted in championships, and he would be mentioned alot quicker in the best qb in the league conversation.

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What a finish last night, vick played great in the 4th I knew it was a matter of time for him to have a big play or 2

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I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick [I]really[/I] sucks."

What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1125326]I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick [I]really[/I] sucks."



What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?[/QUOTE]


Made a couple plays with his feet. Scrambled around and tossed one deep, about a 30 yard run rite down their gut. Appeared rather fast on the run. He definitely saved their asses in the fourth.
Edit: had me thinking about what Griff is capable of. However I quickly put that thought to rest for my sanity's sake.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1125326]I stopped watching at the half and thought "Wow ... Vick [I]really[/I] sucks."

What did he do in the fourth that turned it around?[/quote]

He had 2 drives that were full of highlight reel plays. Had a long td (maybe 40 yards in the air followed by a good run), and then on the winning drive he converted 3 3rd downs (I think a 6yd pass, a 10 yard pass and a 25 yard through the center of the defense scramble. Then had a pass to the 1/2 yd line with 5 seconds to go, and had a timeout left because after his 25 yd scramble he had the presence of mind to get a quick formation and spike rather than burn a timeout. I'm not a fan of his, but you watch those drives, after the offense had 10 yards in the 2nd half to put together those two scoring drives, 1 bomb, 1 long drive with time running out, was damn impressive.

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Vick has always had the talent and he was a good starting QB his problem has been his arm isn't accurate enough to ever have. Been a franchise passer.

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[quote=punch it in;1125286]Phillip Rivers is such a good qb, and I feel like his career is wasted in SD.[/quote]

Yeah but god damn is living in San Diego the good life!

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1125339]Yeah but god damn is living in San Diego the good life![/QUOTE]


Oh I know. I lived in Ocean Beach for a spell. Best weather on earth and so much to do. Plus really good mexican food. [emoji41][emoji106]

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[quote=punch it in;1125328]Made a couple plays with his feet. Scrambled around and tossed one deep, about a 30 yard run rite down their gut. Appeared rather fast on the run. He definitely saved their asses in the fourth.
Edit: [B]had me thinking about what Griff is capable of. However I quickly put that thought to rest for my sanity's sake.[/B][/quote]

It's funny you should say that. When I was watching his sucky first half - scrambling around, taking sacks, making inaccurate throws, failing to take what the defense was giving, etc., I thought "Man, he looks just like Griffin." Then they flashed his horrible accuracy rating and his sack percentage (highest of any QB with 1000 snaps) and I thought "Yup - exactly like Griffin." (Maybe not the accuracy part).

So, yeah, Vick and Griffin have a lot of comparables both from the positive and negative aspect. Even in his prime, I thought it would be impossible to build a regular winner around Vick b/c - although undeniable - his talent was so unique and his style so reckless that, in any offense designed for him to be successful, the rest of the team was screwed if he went down. That was pretty much (except the comeback year in Philly) the story of his career and is why - IMHO - the long term success of QB's like Vick and RGIII is so limited.

KC is not a good QB. BUT, you can plug any number of not-RGIII's or Michael Vick's into Jay's system and have the same or better success. With this offense, the rest of the team can develop consistency and good "football anticipation" (i.e. knowing how plays work and what your teammates are going to do so that you can focus on the D or the play's second level) until we find a QB who won't throw it to the other team at critical moments.

I am on the fence about Gruden - not convinced he or his system makes players "better." At the same time, his system is consistent with so many others out there such that, if a switch is eventually made, it will hopefully not require the "burn it to the ground" approach that Kelly felt necessary in Philly.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1125348]
KC is not a good QB. BUT, you can plug any number of not-RGIII's or Michael Vick's into Jay's system and have the same or better success. With this offense, the rest of the team can develop consistency and good "football anticipation" (i.e. knowing how plays work and what your teammates are going to do so that you can focus on the D or the play's second level) until we find a QB who won't throw it to the other team at critical moments.[/quote]

Kirk managing a clock-eating 90-yard 4th qtr drive to beat Philly and a long drive with less than 45 seconds left to send the Atlanta game into OT in back-to-back weeks isn't good enough for you? He is a developing QB and you seem to expect him to play like John Elway on a weekly basis. That's not realistic or fair, IMO.

Jay Gruden says Kirk is getting better and I'll take his word for it. In due time, we'll find out if he's a keeper but I think it's still too soon to judge.