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[quote=skinsfan69;1142297]

There is no way that either of these two will live up to the expectations of their salaries. We see it every year in free agency and this year will be no different.[/quote]

I agree we see it every year to say it will happen to these two (Jenkins and Norman) I don't know and if we are honest I hope Jenkins does and Norman doesn't but who knows and that is my point.
Jerry Reese is desperate and so I understand the contracts.
Giants 6-10 in 2015 seven of those ten loss's were in the last seventy seconds of the game becuase the Giants couldn't stop Shit!Not hard to understand why you would spend on D .If those new signed players stop those types of loss's then they are good contracts.
I have already said Norman was a good signing for the Skins I fully understand it but don't try and justify it by saying every team in the league wanted him because it just isn't so,not at the numbers he wanted.If the Skins repeat and even advance in the playoffs it's a good signing same with the Giants if they don't then Reese is gone and we start over as will the Redskins.

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the skins won't be starting over if norman sucks. they'll only be starting over if cousins sucks.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1142305]No and if Carolina wanted him they would have paid him.Many teams felt his season was more the benefit result of a great front seven .[/QUOTE]
Well the anticipation is that we will upgrade our Dline in the draft. This wasn't a move in search of a plan. We were going to address a corner in the draft, this takes that out and allows us to focus more on the spine and safeties. Maybe he doesn't turn in an all pro year with our line but he solidifies the part without having to spend draft picks on CB.
As for Carolina spending money, they aren't a deep pockets team a la the skins or Dallas. They let Steve smith sr go and they have let others go as well. That other teams passed might say something but I do think the skins the skins have always found ways to get the guys they want. That isn't bad (unless your owner is petty and jealous aka Mara)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1142309]Well the anticipation is that we will upgrade our Dline in the draft. This wasn't a move in search of a plan. We were going to address a corner in the draft, this takes that out and allows us to focus more on the spine and safeties. Maybe he doesn't turn in an all pro year with our line but he solidifies the part without having to spend draft picks on CB.
As for Carolina spending money, they aren't a deep pockets team a la the skins or Dallas. They let Steve smith sr go and they have let others go as well. That other teams passed might say something but I do think the skins the skins have always found ways to get the guys they want. That isn't bad (unless your owner is petty and jealous aka Mara)

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You are right! The Redskins have always found a way to get the guy they want not necessarily what they need though as per Albert Haynsworth.Carolina did let Steve Smith go after a pretty long and great career not true with Norman.I find it pretty amusing that the Skins fans blame even bad weather on John Mara.:)

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1142312]You are right! The Redskins have always found a way to get the guy they want not necessarily what they need though as per Albert Haynsworth.Carolina did let Steve Smith go after a pretty long and great career not true with Norman.I find it pretty amusing that the Skins fans blame even bad weather on John Mara.:)[/QUOTE]
I trust the person selecting which players they want a thousand times more than anytime since DS bought the team.
We finally have:
a coach focused on coaching
A GM focused on player selection
A cap management core
And an owner who sits back and pays the bills

It looks to be a good time for skins fans.

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[quote=Giantone;1142312]You are right! The Redskins have always found a way to get the guy they want not necessarily what they need though as per Albert Haynsworth.Carolina did let Steve Smith go after a pretty long and great career not true with Norman.I find it pretty amusing that the Skins fans blame even bad weather on John Mara.:)[/quote]

You've been getting a bit trollish lately over Mara. Be a good guest and behave yourself.

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Well we basically just got a an additional first round pick dropped right in our laps.
A few of the top mockers and myself included had us taking a cornerback in the first round.
I guess I can shed my man crush on Eli Apple now.
Now we have free range to focus on DTs, and safetys and centers and such.

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/how-one-of-the-nfls-best-cornerbacks-suddenly-ended-up-with-the-redskins/2016/04/24/03f1aa62-0a57-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html[/url]

Good story of how Norman ended up here. This is how ballers do it.

Snyder wasn't involved at all...nowhere to be seen, so hopefully the media will let it die.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1142331][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/how-one-of-the-nfls-best-cornerbacks-suddenly-ended-up-with-the-redskins/2016/04/24/03f1aa62-0a57-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html[/url]

Good story of how Norman ended up here. This is how ballers do it.

Snyder wasn't involved at all...nowhere to be seen, so hopefully the media will let it die.[/QUOTE]
"Same old redskins " is stupid for anyone to say. This organization isn't ran the same as it was 10 years ago.


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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1142329]Well we basically just got a an additional first round pick dropped right in our laps.
A few of the top mockers and myself included had us taking a cornerback in the first round.
I guess I can shed my man crush on Eli Apple now.
Now we have free range to focus on DTs, and safetys and centers and such.[/QUOTE]
Id love to see DT at 21 but I also think trading down is a good move as well.
DT
C
Safety
WR.

Thats what I'd like to see addressed this draft

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[quote=Chico23231;1142331][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/how-one-of-the-nfls-best-cornerbacks-suddenly-ended-up-with-the-redskins/2016/04/24/03f1aa62-0a57-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html[/url]

Good story of how Norman ended up here. This is how ballers do it.

Snyder wasn't involved at all...nowhere to be seen, so hopefully the media will let it die.[/quote]

I love it.

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[quote=Giantone;1142312]You are right! The Redskins have always found a way to get the guy they want not necessarily what they need though as per Albert Haynsworth.Carolina did let Steve Smith go after a pretty long and great career not true with Norman.I find it pretty amusing that the Skins fans blame even bad weather on John Mara.:)[/quote]

Why would we not blame bad weather on Mara? Maybe if he cared more about the environment we wouldn't experience crappy weather all the time.

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John Mara is that thing at the end of Game of Thrones last night. He takes off that pearl neckless Goodell gives him and goes to bed like that every night.

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[quote=Chico23231;1142331][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/how-one-of-the-nfls-best-cornerbacks-suddenly-ended-up-with-the-redskins/2016/04/24/03f1aa62-0a57-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html[/url]

Good story of how Norman ended up here. This is how ballers do it.

Snyder wasn't involved at all...nowhere to be seen, so hopefully the media will let it die.[/quote]

Great article. Scot's running this show. Glad to see Snyder finally came to his senses and seems to be completely out of the equation.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1142333]"Same old redskins " is stupid for anyone to say. This organization isn't ran the same as it was 10 years ago.


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So stupid. Not even worth discussion.

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[I]The entourage arrived at Redskins Park in a fleet of black Suburbans by 1:45 p.m.[/I]

So we used the NSA to kidnap him???

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Wasn't there a Carolina Panthers fan posting a while back? I would love to hear his take on the whole thing.

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[quote=That Guy;1142308]the skins won't be starting over if norman sucks. they'll only be starting over if cousins sucks.[/quote]

Great post

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I must admit, at first I was against this solely because of the money. But it's sounding like the contract works for both the team and Norman, so I'm great with it! I've been reading all the shit other fans have been talking. Knowing good and well they wanted him on their team! Too bad! The plan is coming together beautifully! If Kirk continues his upward trend, the Redskins are going to easily be one of the best teams in the league by 2017.

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They are also motivated, even though they are getting more money. The Carolina/Norman story is pretty interesting. If he is anywhere close to what he was last season, this is a good signing.

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[quote=Giantone;1142312]I find it pretty amusing that the Skins fans blame even bad weather on John Mara.:)[/quote]

How class responds to an ass. All you need to know about John Mara right here:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RL-37Cyg7o[/url]

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[quote=Evilgrin;1142355]They are also motivated, even though they are getting more money. [B]The Carolina/Norman story is pretty interesting.[/B] If he is anywhere close to what he was last season, this is a good signing.[/quote]

The more I read into this story, the more it seems that the Panthers overreacted to the negotiations and decided to part ways from Norman due to that overreaction. I also have this suspicious feeling that Jerry Richardson may have been the one that overreacted.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1142365]How class responds to an ass. All you need to know about John Mara right here:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RL-37Cyg7o[/url][/quote]


wow, that 's the best you got?

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[quote=Giantone;1142374]wow, that 's the best you got?[/quote]

Sad end to a great coach and tenure.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1142342][I]The entourage arrived at Redskins Park in a fleet of black Suburbans by 1:45 p.m.[/I]
[/quote]

There has got to be a great Chevy commercial in there somewhere!
:)

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Love what Scot had to say today

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[quote=Giantone;1142374]wow, that 's the best you got?[/quote]

Tom Coughlin, a Giants coaching legend snubs an ass of an owner, in the legal world of JR, that's your closing argument of an open and shut case.

Sports fans of the jury, I'm not asking you to take the words of a Redskins fan to understand the extent of Mara's asinine thought process, simply consider his long term SB winning head coach's farewell handshake.[shows video] or lack thereof.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1142378]Tom Coughlin, a Giants coaching legend snubs an ass of an owner, in the legal world of JR, that's your closing argument of an open and shut case.

Sports fans of the jury, I'm not asking you to take the words of a Redskins fan to understand the extent of Mara's asinine thought process, simply consider his long term SB winning head coach's farewell handshake.[shows video] or lack thereof.[/quote]
Who had four consecutive losing seasons is turning 70 this August and had been the head coach of the NY Giants for twelve seasons and as "we all know" the NFL is a business and that is to win.Coughlin was asked to move to a VP position and help he chose to act like a petulant little child.While I fully understand the Redskins fan outside observation of a different team inside their own division it is skewed at best.

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[quote=Giantone;1142385]Who had four consecutive losing seasons is turning 70 this August and had been the head coach of the NY Giants for twelve seasons and as "we all know" the NFL is a business and that is to win.Coughlin was asked to move to a VP position and help he chose to act like a petulant little child.While I fully understand the Redskins fan outside observation of a different team inside their own division it is skewed at best.[/quote]

So Mara decided to get rid of Coughlin, hire someone with no HC experience and keep everyone else on staff? Really made no sense what so ever. He made it look like Coughlin was the scapegoat.

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Theres an awful lot of Giants stink in this we have the best cornerback in the league thread.

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well revis is probably still better at man, but for what we're doing, norman is a pretty massive upgrade.

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[quote=That Guy;1142390]well revis is probably still better at man, but for what we're doing, norman is a pretty massive upgrade.[/quote]

At his best Norman is probalby the 2nd best corner in zone coverage

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[quote=Giantone;1142385]Who had four consecutive losing seasons is turning 70 this August and had been the head coach of the NY Giants for twelve seasons and as "we all know" the NFL is a business and that is to win.Coughlin was asked to move to a VP position and help he chose to act like a petulant little child.While I fully understand the Redskins fan outside observation of a different team inside their own division it is skewed at best.[/quote]

Its pretty hard to win when you have that roster. Its not like he was put in a position to succeed by the team. The team went south talent wise and Coughlin, who isnt the talent evaluator nor the one who handles drafting and FA, was given 100% of the blame. Im pretty sure anyone would be pissed if an owner of a team told them, we didnt give you the talent to succeed, therefore you are a bad coach. Mara handled that pretty badly by singling out Coughlin when he wasnt the real problem, lack of talent was.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1142388]Theres an awful lot of Giants stink in this we have the best cornerback in the league thread.[/quote]

You got that right! I have no interest whatsoever in arguing with a visiting NYG fan about either his team or ours. I don't care about his team and I don't care what he thinks about our team.

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I would really like to see what Scot's rating and review of Norman was when he was drafted and if he was really high on him then.

With the speed he acted with you have to think he not only watched him as a pro but had been following him for a long time.

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[quote=hutch17;1142409]I would really like to see what Scot's rating and review of Norman was when he was drafted and if he was really high on him then.

With the speed he acted with you have to think he not only watched him as a pro but had been following him for a long time.[/quote]

well, if he was that kind of high on him in the draft, he wouldn't have been sitting around in the 5th in all likelyhood.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1142387]So Mara decided to get rid of Coughlin, hire someone with no HC experience and keep everyone else on staff? Really made no sense what so ever. He made it look like Coughlin was the scapegoat.[/quote]


Last time they did that it was some guy named....Parcells.

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[quote=Skinzman;1142393]Its pretty hard to win when you have that roster. Its not like he was put in a position to succeed by the team. The team went south talent wise and Coughlin, who isnt the talent evaluator nor the one who handles drafting and FA, was given 100% of the blame. Im pretty sure anyone would be pissed if an owner of a team told them, we didnt give you the talent to succeed, therefore you are a bad coach. Mara handled that pretty badly by singling out Coughlin when he wasnt the real problem, lack of talent was.[/quote]


If you go back and check my post at the time you will see I agree with you but it still isn't all on Mara.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1142388]Theres an awful lot of Giants stink in this we have the best cornerback in the league thread.[/quote]


I fully agree with you

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This site [URL="http://walterfootball.com/freeagentsigninggrades.php"]broke down the financials of the signing[/URL], and graded it.

I actually think that grade was generous. Norman is getting up there in age and just had one good year. Not sure he deserves best CB in the league money.