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[quote=Chico23231;1154256]It's really frustrating to hear gruden say "we got to get back to running the ball" or "we abandoned the run there for awhile". He siad this shit after halftime today.

Your the fuckin head coach, do something about it. I've heard this said 3 to 4 times after games, during games.[/quote]

I just think that with this staff, they like to throw the ball more now that they have so many pass catchers. It's what they do best. They're never going to be the type that is committed to the run. He may say it but it's just lip service.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1154293]He's not that stupid. It was a smart-ass remark reflecting his frustration. Jay Gruden is a keeper, IMO. Now, as for some of his assistants, he needs to take a hard look, in the [U]off-season[/U], on whether or not they should be retained.[/quote]

Actually I like what Barry did yesterday. He's so inconsistent with his playcalling, but yesterday he was sending guys and getting after Dalton. Where was that last week???

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Would anyone be complaining about coaching and so on if Hopkins makes that kick?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1154285]I want to see accountability from the team, and so I feel, that a guy like Hopkins should be cut. Send the message that when you make mistakes that cost your team the game, it will not be tolerated. Kickers are a dime a dozen, not like we are asking to cut a QB or starting WR.

If he can't be trusted to kick what amounted to be an extra point, then he cannot be counted on period.[/quote]

SMH... you can't just go around cutting guys when they have a bad game. When you have a shit day at work does your boss walk over to you and tell you to pack your bags? Hopkins has been more that solid for us.

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I think the bottom line is we are this: an average team trending in the right direction the past couple of years. Our offense is great. Our defense has some talent, but still has a bunch of holes to overcome.

We DEFINITELY get unlucky, but someone else was saying it, the good teams overcome bad/dumb luck. I'm happy with the direction the team is going in, even though I wish the rest of the NFCE wasn't going in the right direction as well.

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this hand checking calls on Norman were crazy..i saw one that looked legit. But the CB is allowed to punch, grab and touch the receiver within 5 yards of the los. I don't get how this technique that Josh has practiced time and time again is all of a sudden illegal in this one game?

where is the fuckin consistency in this league with the officiating? Im so effin pissed about this crap.

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[QUOTE=Bangee7;1154268]First and foremost- this team has fight.



It wasn't too long ago, that we were finishing below .500 every year.



I know it sucks to lose tight games, but....at least we are IN these games to the end. It wasn't always like that.



So, that's step #1.



Step #2 is to learn to finish more of these games & bring home the win.



It won't take take much to get to step 2 consistently.

Josh Norman needs called out by his teammates to cut out the stupid penalties.

He knows better- he'll clean it up.



Hopkins- I am still behind this guy. Yeah, he had a bad game & missed a few make-able kicks. He is still light years ahead of the chumps we used to roll through here.

Anyone remember the (what was it?) 8-10 years of sub-par kickers?

He's still young & he'll reflect & learn from this.



So we get to the halfway point & now have a bye week.

Time to get healthy, look back on what could have been better & get a plan to fix it.



Things are not all bleak...there is a lot of positive to be taken from the crappy outcome today.



We're at the half way mark & we're 1.5 games over .500. We all know it could be more & so do the players & coaches. That should give everyone more confidence & resolve to get the rest of the little things ironed out & start rocking for the second half & the playoff run.



Hail![/QUOTE]



Agree with everything. We are 110% in the mix not only for the division but for a wildcard midway through.
Fuck Hopkins though. He has a noodle leg, and he needs to go.
Norman got absolutely toasted yesterday. He is no Revis. Not even close. We need him but he is not worth his paycheck.

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[quote=MTK;1154291]Cutting Hopkins does nothing to solve the real problem... scoring in the redzone.

Hopkins has been a nice find, I wouldn't cut him off one miss and I think that sends the wrong message anyway.[/quote]


While I am mad at Hopkins we have seen this narrative before, we cut a kicker based off one miss and he becomes a pro bowl kicker for another team. The scoring in the red zone thing is worrying me more, we are top 5 in pass yards, yards per play, and top 7 in 3rd down conversions but 28th in red zone TD pct. that I don't get. That needs to sure up quickly.

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Folks calling for Hopkins to go need to effing chill. Doesn't solve sh*t right now.

Lets regroup on the bye...Folks like Jones, Hopkins need to get a chance to get their head right....some others need to heal their body.....and even others to spend a little time in the film room or with staff to work on game for a better impact the second half of the season (IM LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU PRESTON SMITH AND BREELAND)

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1154301]this hand checking calls on Norman were crazy..i saw one that looked legit. But the CB is allowed to punch, grab and touch the receiver within 5 yards of the los. I don't get how this technique that Josh has practiced time and time again is all of a sudden illegal in this one game?



where is the fuckin consistency in this league with the officiating? Im so effin pissed about this crap.[/QUOTE]



Those calls were such ticky tacky BS. I do believe that Norman is a marked man right now.

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People either have very short memories or maybe just weren't fans during the truly lean years around here. The negative comments about this being a lousy team are just ridiculous.

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Lost season or team? That is effed up. We are literally one play on d, o, and st from being 7-1! One bad pass by KC vs Dallas, one bad drive allowed by D against Detroit, and one putrid awful disgusting kick by our kicker yesterday.
I could care less if they cut him - lol - it really isnt that big of a deal. He just sucks right now. I mean a 34 yarder? You let the pressure get to you on a 34 yarder? That is so not good.
However, whoever our kicker is, we are a good team. We were a terrible team up until about midway through last season. We are in every single game, and win more than we lose. That is called trending up folks. Also if you think the season is over you really need to look at the standings. We are in the mix for a playoff birth in more than one way, and in two weeks we should be healthier than we have been.
Preston Smith is bordering on Breeland territory right now. A few guys including those two really need to step up.
There are two that need to step up and play how they are capable of playing on a more consistent basis - Kerrigan and Norman. I just want RK to be more of a disruptive force for longer stretches. He is the leader of our defense, yesterday he was getting nowhere near Dalton for a long time. No I don't want to cut him you can hold off on the Kerrigan witch hunt talk. I just expect more from him. Norman too.

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I think calls for Hopkins' head are a bit premature. He has an 88% accuracy rating over the last two years plus booms kicks out of the end zone. The guy misses one kick badly and everyone wants his head. Does no one recall the trail of kickers we had through here before him?

Suisham 06 - 09: 80% FG kicker
Gano 09-11: 74%
Billy Cundiff '12: 58%
Forbath: 12-15: 88% (BUT - 25 of 31 on kicks of more than 40yds; plus KO's rarely reaching the end zone).

Before yesterday, Hopkins has missed ONE kick less than 40 yards (out of 17 attempts) and only two (out of 14 attempts) at least gives us a shot on 50+ attempts (3 of 7).

Good kickers are NOT a dime a dozen and cutting Hopkins b/c of yesterday's OT miss would be a huge mistake IMHO. If he continues to clunk short range kicks, fine. Right now, however, he has better accuracy and distance than any kicker we have had, at least, in the last six years. Crazy to talk of cutting him right now.

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[quote=punch it in;1154309]Lost season or team? That is effed up. We are literally one play on d, o, and st from being 7-1! One bad pass by KC vs Dallas, one bad drive allowed by D against Detroit, and one putrid awful disgusting kick by our kicker yesterday.
I could care less if they cut him - lol - it really isnt that big of a deal. He just sucks right now. I mean a 34 yarder? You let the pressure get to you on a 34 yarder? That is so not good.
However, whoever our kicker is, we are a good team. We were a terrible team up until about midway through last season. We are in every single game, and win more than we lose. That is called trending up folks. Also if you think the season is over you really need to look at the standings. We are in the mix for a playoff birth in more than one way, and in two weeks we should be healthier than we have been.
Preston Smith is bordering on Breeland territory right now. A few guys including those two really need to step up.
There are two that need to step up and play how they are capable of playing on a more consistent basis - Kerrigan and Norman. I just want RK to be more of a disruptive force for longer stretches. He is the leader of our defense, yesterday he was getting nowhere near Dalton for a long time. No I don't want to cut him you can hold off on the Kerrigan witch hunt talk. I just expect more from him. Norman too.[/quote]

Kerrigan reminds me of Orakpo in this way. He's never developed any pass rush moves. Just the bull rush.

I think with Smith, he just doesn't have the burst or explosiveness coming off the line. And he also seems to have only one move.

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Kerrigan and Smith are both above average pass rushers but no where near elite. Would love to have a bonifide stud, but they don't grow on trees. That's why it was nice to see a good amount of blitzes and pressures.

People need to realize that A.J. Green is no worse than the 2nd best receiver in the NFL, no one is shutting him down. Expecting Norman to do so is being unrealistic. He has been good for us. Felt like a Twilight Zone with all those hands to the face penalties though. That was crazy.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1154311]I think calls for Hopkins' head are a bit premature. He has an 88% accuracy rating over the last two years plus booms kicks out of the end zone. The guy misses one kick badly and everyone wants his head. Does no one recall the trail of kickers we had through here before him?

Suisham 06 - 09: 80% FG kicker
Gano 09-11: 74%
Billy Cundiff '12: 58%
Forbath: 12-15: 88% (BUT - 25 of 31 on kicks of more than 40yds; plus KO's rarely reaching the end zone).

Before yesterday, Hopkins has missed ONE kick less than 40 yards (out of 17 attempts) and only two (out of 14 attempts) at least gives us a shot on 50+ attempts (3 of 7).

Good kickers are NOT a dime a dozen and cutting Hopkins b/c of yesterday's OT miss would be a huge mistake IMHO. If he continues to clunk short range kicks, fine. Right now, however, he has better accuracy and distance than any kicker we have had, at least, in the last six years. Crazy to talk of cutting him right now.[/quote]

+1
He's as good or better than anyone else in this league.

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[quote=MTK;1154307]Those calls were such ticky tacky BS. I do believe that Norman is a marked man right now.[/quote]

And he made it worse by ranting about the refs after the game.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/59594/Furious-Josh-Norman-rips-into-ref-after-Redskins--tie/Default.aspx]Furious Josh Norman rips into ref after Redskins' tie[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1154311]I think calls for Hopkins' head are a bit premature. He has an 88% accuracy rating over the last two years plus booms kicks out of the end zone. The guy misses one kick badly and everyone wants his head. Does no one recall the trail of kickers we had through here before him?

Suisham 06 - 09: 80% FG kicker
Gano 09-11: 74%
Billy Cundiff '12: 58%
Forbath: 12-15: 88% (BUT - 25 of 31 on kicks of more than 40yds; plus KO's rarely reaching the end zone).

Before yesterday, Hopkins has missed ONE kick less than 40 yards (out of 17 attempts) and only two (out of 14 attempts) at least gives us a shot on 50+ attempts (3 of 7).

Good kickers are NOT a dime a dozen and cutting Hopkins b/c of yesterday's OT miss would be a huge mistake IMHO. If he continues to clunk short range kicks, fine. Right now, however, he has better accuracy and distance than any kicker we have had, at least, in the last six years. Crazy to talk of cutting him right now.[/quote]

Totally crazy to talk of cutting Hopkins. I think in the bad old days the Skins would have cut him but now with cooler and smarter heads prevailing they recognize him for what he is, a top notch kicker.

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Just completely stupid to remotely talk about cutting Hopkins. Yes, he missed a field goal that he almost automatically makes otherwise, but it happens. Otherwise, he's easily been the best field goal kicker we've had in awhile.

Unfortunately, I think the Redskins have placed themselves in a very tough spot if they think they're playing in the post season this year. They needed to have beaten the Lions even if they had lost yesterday. Now, they just about have to run the table in the second half of the season to secure a playoff spot. It can certainly happen, but it's going to be tough.

All in all, I think this team at least finishes above .500. They will make it deep into the playoffs next year.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1154308]People either have very short memories or maybe just weren't fans during the truly lean years around here. The negative comments about this being a lousy team are just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I mean for 1 1/2 years now we have been at least competitive. And we have won 2 divisions in the past 4 years. I have no complaints with the direction.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1154312]Kerrigan reminds me of Orakpo in this way. He's never developed any pass rush moves. Just the bull rush.

I think with Smith, he just doesn't have the burst or explosiveness coming off the line. And he also seems to have only one move.[/QUOTE]
Does Smith even have a sack? I haven't even seen him get pressure off the line once this season. He's been by far the biggest disappointment.

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When was the last time we had a winning record at the halfway mark? 2008 I believe. People need some perspective.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1154313]Kerrigan and Smith are both above average pass rushers but no where near elite. Would love to have a bonifide stud, but they don't grow on trees. That's why it was nice to see a good amount of blitzes and pressures.



People need to realize that A.J. Green is no worse than the 2nd best receiver in the NFL, no one is shutting him down. Expecting Norman to do so is being unrealistic. He has been good for us. Felt like a Twilight Zone with all those hands to the face penalties though. That was crazy.[/QUOTE]



Smith has done nothing to prove himself above average. Nothing. He keeps playing like this and he might not even be a starter.

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[quote=punch it in;1154324]Smith has done nothing to prove himself above average. Nothing. He keeps playing like this and he might not even be a starter.[/quote]

He turned it around last year late, hoping after the bye he starts playing better.

Also, gotta remember, its only his 2nd season.

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[B]Perspective[/B]

Wild Card Standings:

1) Green Bay Packers 4-3
2) New York Giants 4-3
Philadelphia Eagles 4-3
Washington Redskins 4-3-1

WE STILL PLAY ALL OF THOSE TEAMS in the second half. We still control our own destiny so simmer down.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1154326]He turned it around last year late, hoping after the bye he starts playing better.



Also, gotta remember, its only his 2nd season.[/QUOTE]



Oh of course he is very early on in his career. Nothing to say he will not ever be good. Likewise nothing to say he will ever be good or above average though.

On another note (directed at the board- not you SD ) of course people want Hopkins gone. It was a huge miss. Huge.
I don't think anybody, including myself, who has shouted "fire him" since the miss really believes it would happen. Also don't think anybody really cares that much. He is a kicker. Same position you do not draft high in the NFL or on your fantasy team. No need to keep saying it is crazy to cut him. Everyone realizes it is not a make or break reality for this team.
I will say that a "pressure" miss after being pretty consistent from that range doesn't exactly scream "he has ice water in his veins". Next time he is kicking for the win I will be staring at the inside of my eyelids. Lol.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1154328][B]Perspective[/B]



Wild Card Standings:



1) Green Bay Packers 4-3

2) New York Giants 4-3

Philadelphia Eagles 4-3

Washington Redskins 4-3-1



WE STILL PLAY ALL OF THOSE TEAMS in the second half. We still control our own destiny so simmer down.[/QUOTE]



Right. Said it twice. We are in the playoff conversation in a big way at the halfway point with more than one way in. Division or wildcard. We are 2-1 in the East and play the Boys again.

When we were 0-2 all that you heard from the squirmy fair-weather fans was "we will be lucky to win three games", and "lets talk about the draft". Since than we are 4-1-1 and the wheels are apparently already off. Im stoked for this team to have two weeks of rest and study and than go finish this in a big way.

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[quote=punch it in;1154331]Right. Said it twice. We are in the playoff conversation in a big way at the halfway point with more than one way in. Division or wildcard. We are 2-1 in the East and play the Boys again.

When we were 0-2 all that you heard from the squirmy fair-weather fans was "we will be lucky to win three games", and "lets talk about the draft". Since than we are 4-1-1 and the wheels are apparently already off. Im stoked for this team to have [B]two weeks of rest and study and than go finish this in a big way[/B].[/quote]

Word. Note the relative terrific health of the roster. Very little in the way of injury. It bodes well for our 2nd half.

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I'm so confident we make the playoffs I'd be willing to bet on it. Numbers don't lie and we are owning our opponents weekly. Eventually the ball goes our way and it will later on.

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The offense has some kinks to work out, but, I think, it seems to be improving in fits and starts.

The D still has some run stopping issues, but, at the same time, and on occasion, it does seem capable of making a big stop when needed.

As someone said, we just don't seem capable of putting a complete game together. Hopefully, after the bye, they come back strong.

BTW ... it seems to me KC is getting better each week (sometimes its a "two steps forward, one step back" kind of improvement). Yesterday, I thought he did a good job of recognizing when nothing was there and chucking it away to avoid the sack - much better than he has done so in the past.

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I think we need to pump the brakes on Smith a bit. He was a project coming in and definitely outperformed expectations last year. He's been close on a bunch of plays, he needs to learn to finish.

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Preston needs to contribute somehow though...If he cant get to the passer, then he has to set the edge against the run. He's really not doing either. Breeland too, if he cant make the play, then don't turn around and make a dumb penalty or miss a tackle. The expectation is production...do your job.

One thing mentioned by someone...Anthony Lanier on the D-Line. Man, I saw #72 collapsing the pocket a couple times and I couldn't figure out who it was...I thought, is this a flashback? Im I on LSD? Is that Dexter Manley? Seriously...Lanier needs to see the field more.

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Negatives:

-Again a non-victory because of a bullet in our foot. So frustrating.

-My voice is broken because redskins fans in London were lazy as f*ck, had to call them out every 3rd down, guys with redskins gear all over their bodies quietly sitting on critical 3rd downs... drove me crazy. I'm starving to attend a game in DC now...

-With the only other "active" redskins fan in my block, we didn't hear the timeout called, we were making fools of ourselves taking a victory selfie singing HTTR...

Positives:

-Now that I witnessed, live, a non-win by this team in the most redskinish way possible, I guess I'm a true fan? Anyway, that was awesome.

-This team is looking great. We have the weapons to win this division, we still may. 546 total yards is really good, on the road, against a not so bad D, hats off.

-IMO Josh Norman actually had a good game. He made an incredible play on AJ Green on a long ball (the one where he seemed to have reinjuried his wrist), he should have had a pick, he often was right in AJ's face on some catches... If you consider he was concussed LAST WEEK, his wrist is weakened, and refs were after him I'd say he had the best game he could have.

-Defense did a really good job, first half was outstanding, held their offense well under 100yards. 2nd half was more difficult, cincy obviously made some efficient adjustments, but our D delivered on crucial moments.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1154341]Negatives:

-Again a non-victory because of a bullet in our foot. So frustrating.

-My voice is broken because redskins fans in London were lazy as f*ck, had to call them out every 3rd down, guys with redskins gear all over their bodies quietly sitting on critical 3rd downs... drove me crazy. I'm starving to attend a game in DC now...

-With the only other "active" redskins fan in my block, we didn't hear the timeout called, we were making fools of ourselves taking a victory selfie singing HTTR...

Positives:

-Now that I witnessed, live, a non-win by this team in the most redskinish way possible, I guess I'm a true fan? Anyway, that was awesome.

-This team is looking great. We have the weapons to win this division, we still may. 546 total yards is really good, on the road, against a not so bad D, hats off.

-IMO Josh Norman actually had a good game. He made an incredible play on AJ Green on a long ball (the one where he seemed to have reinjuried his wrist), he should have had a pick, he often was right in AJ's face on some catches... If you consider he was concussed LAST WEEK, his wrist is weakened, and refs were after him I'd say he had the best game he could have.

-Defense did a really good job, first half was outstanding held their offense well under 100yards. 2nd half was more difficult, cincy obviously made some efficient adjustments, but our D delivered on crucial moments.[/quote]

Dude you saw a pretty entertaining game...glad you had a good time.

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[quote=Chico23231;1154342]Dude you saw a pretty entertaining game...glad you had a good time.[/quote]

Man that was great, took some time to come back down to earth, that game was hard on the nerve. Even my fiancee was entertained and stressed during 4 hours.

Late in the 3rd quarter she turned to me, happy and proud "I saw the ball during the whole play for the first time today!", but she loved it, even with these lazy so called redskins fans the atmosphere was awesome!

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We can still win 12 games. 12-3-1 should get us in to the playoffs.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1154343]Man that was great, took some time to come back down to earth, that game was hard on the nerve. Even my fiancee was entertained and stressed during 4 hours.

Late in the 3rd quarter she turned to me, happy and proud "I saw the ball during the whole play for the first time today!", but she loved it, even with these lazy so called redskins fans the atmosphere was awesome![/quote]

Glad you had a good time! My wife and I were wondering: were they giving out Bengals gear? It seemed like a TON of Bengals fans weirdly enough.

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It was really funny scanning the crowd for different jerseys. Alot of people wearing different teams apparel. Did anybody see the guy with the Skins scarf and hat in the bengal costume? Wtf? It seemed more like an American Football Parade than a game. Lol
Edit : though it was actually a really great game.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1154344]We can still win 12 games. 12-3-1 should get us in to the playoffs.[/quote]

just maybe

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[quote=punch it in;1154346]It was really funny scanning the crowd for different jerseys. Alot of people wearing different teams apparel. Did anybody see the guy with the Skins scarf and hat in the bengal costume? Wtf? It seemed more like an American Football Parade than a game. Lol
Edit : though it was actually a really great game.[/quote]

Thought it was highly entertaining to see the most popular jerseys overseas.

I believe number one was Brady.

"Hmmm, NFL jerseys. He's good. I should buy it." LOL.