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Actually, I hope they don't strip the captain's C necessarily. I hope Gruden puts it to the players to put it up for vote. Should we keep Trent as a captain, or should we give it to somebody else. Let the players vote, that way they choose to either stand by him or they choose to draw a hard line. The leadership role of the captaincy shouldn't come down from management - it's a decision the players should make. Keeping that decision with the players introduces the possibility that they rally together.

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I would never release him..however I would trade him for 2 first round picks,a 2nd and a third and two starters....seriously what would you trade Trent for this offseason. would you do it for a 1st Rnd..or would you trade Trent even up for a top DL player . I know it aint happening but at least we can play GM .

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[quote=rocnrik;1154535]I would never release him..however I would trade him for 2 first round picks,a 2nd and a third and two starters....seriously what would you trade Trent for this offseason. would you do it for a 1st Rnd..or would you trade Trent even up for a top DL player . I know it aint happening but at least we can play GM .[/quote]

Well if you could get that kind of haul who wouldn't trade him? But you can't.

For what you could reasonably expect to get in return, I would never trade him. Our offense is built around strong pass protection, that's the entire foundation.

Jackson is rendered useless without protection, it takes time to get 40 yards downfield. If Jackson is rendered useless, then the safeties can clamp down on Reed and Crowder, and suddenly we're not running after the catch as much.

Trent is an unbelievably important player for us.

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[quote=punch it in;1154526]Oh come on now BB is a life coach?[/quote]

Not a life coach but I think his philosophy of "do your job" and the team's consistent winning ways creates an environment where players don't want to f-up and let the team down.

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[quote=Schneed10;1154533]If this were a witch hunt by Mara, Trent would have been screaming to the media and on social media that he didn't miss a drug test or piss dirty. But he's been silent. He knows he broke the rule.

Remember, for the NFL to announce the 4 game suspension that means the player's appeal has already been heard.[/quote]

Yes, I know that. But the same would have been true for Josh Brown's case in fact it would have been further along. That said, I mean it more in terms of Mara coercing more testing of Redskins then a targeting of TW. I have heard all year, and believe that some in the NFL have a target on Norman's back, and in fact many were saying his random tests were abnormally frequent. So in the tinfoil hat moment, if Mara knows via back room channels, that TW is doing weed, maybe he sways a random test when he knows he can pull a gotcha on TW. TW's silence definitely implies guilt, but that doesn't mean that all the factors involved in the situation were just happenstance.

All though they probably are.

Summing up - it's more my distrust of Mara's dealings in the NFL and his abuse of privilege then it is defending TW's innocence, because I doubt he is.

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[quote=Schneed10;1154529][B]If you bring weak shit expect to be called to the carpet.[/B] This site is better than that, if you want to just spout emotional bullshit take it to another site, because you don't fit in here with us knowledgable fans.[/quote]

I like that about this site. You will eventually be called out for posting weak shit. [U]It is not personal[/U].

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[quote=irish;1154537]Not a life coach but I think his philosophy of "do your job" and the team's consistent winning ways creates an environment where players don't want to f-up and let the team down.[/quote]

Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...

Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...

However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1154540]Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...

Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...

However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?[/quote]

So, you had to bring up the Aaron Hernandez thing, did you? Don't you know that the narrative around here is that Belichick has supernatural mind-controlling powers over his players. "Look into my eyes. You will not smoke dope while you are on my team". He must have forgotten to tell Hernandez not to murder people while he had him hypnotized.

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SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.
If Schneed wants to say ur dumb learn to laugh at it like we all do. I mean we all have freedom of speech and thought here. Why it is such a great site. You are a bit pessimistic but at least you are not Redskins1980 - you are cordial about being a debbie downer. You dont say things like "you are all fucking stupid and ill laugh at you when ur fuckin team never wins again!" Honestly you bring points to the table to back your shit up. I think it would suck if you left.
Schneed as far as your first bullet point is this not the second time lightning has struck TW already?

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1154540]Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...



Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...



However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?[/QUOTE]



Well said. Exactly what I meant.

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And with the 14th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select the top LT on the board.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1154540]Aaron Hernandez did kill somebody under his watch though...

Belichick is an awesome coach, but I'm not really sure you can coach a man into quitting pot for all his career if he has a thing with it. Eventually he will have to pay the price to understand he must keep away from it...

However I'll ask again: how are we sure this is a pot thing?[/quote]

Hoody's record isnt perfect but besides Hernandez I'm having a hard time thinking of players getting into trouble under his regime. Plus if memory serves that murder occurred out of season.

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[QUOTE=irish;1154547]Hoody's record isnt perfect but besides Hernandez I'm having a hard time thinking of players getting into trouble under his regime. Plus if memory serves that murder occurred out of season.[/QUOTE]



BB is a great coach. That is all. That allows him to be more no nonsense.
However the Pats staff has been in plenty of trouble and their players have too. Either way he WOULD NOT cut TW right now.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1154545]And with the 14th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select the top LT on the board.[/QUOTE]
It'll be ok the sky isn't falling.

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[quote=punch it in;1154543]SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.
If Schneed wants to say ur dumb learn to laugh at it like we all do. I mean we all have freedom of speech and thought here. Why it is such a great site. You are a bit pessimistic but at least you are not Redskins1980 - you are cordial about being a debbie downer. You dont say things like "you are all fucking stupid and ill laugh at you when ur fuckin team never wins again!" Honestly you bring points to the table to back your shit up. I think it would suck if you left.
Schneed as far as your first bullet point is this not the second time lightning has struck TW already?[/quote]

This TW's second time violating the NFL's drug policy. He was suspended the final four games of the 2011 season. A second failed test under league rules would result in a 16 game suspension. When / if he violates it a third time, I believe he is basically suspended for good / up to the commissioner if he ever is allowed back. But I think someone here said that he didn't go to take the test at all, which is only a four game suspension. We do not know for sure that it was marijuana, or only marijuana that he would have tested positive for if he had went.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1154549]It'll be ok the sky isn't falling.[/quote]

Well that was basically a tongue in cheek post.
Even if you guys had sarcasm detectors you would ignore them.
:postcop:

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1154550]This TW's second time violating the NFL's drug policy. He was suspended the final four games of the 2011 season. A second failed test under league rules would result in a 16 game suspension. When / if he violates it a third time, I believe he is basically suspended for good / up to the commissioner if he ever is allowed back. But I think someone here said that he didn't go to take the test at all, which is only a four game suspension. We do not know for sure that it was marijuana, or only marijuana that he would have tested positive for if he had went.[/QUOTE]



Right. But we all know he got high twice. Avoiding the test still constitutes a lightning strike.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1154551]Well that was basically a tongue in cheek post.

Even if you guys had sarcasm detectors you would ignore them.

:postcop:[/QUOTE]



I picked up what you were laying down.

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[quote=punch it in;1154553]I picked up what you were laying down.[/quote]

Waiting for Schneed to rip me a new one.....
:cheeky:

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4 games is gonna be rough, but the decent thing is is we got an extra week to get nseke ready to go. Nseke is good swing tackle but certainly the best left tackle in the game right now will be missed.

Any talk of Trent going anywhere is kra kra. Everyone chill out and smoke sum kush

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Ignoring the parts of the article at the beginning that read like they were written by a stoner, this is a good article about Eugene Monroe, aka that ex-NFL tackle who got cut by the Ravens for being a marijuana advocate.

[url=http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17943168/retired-baltimore-ravens-tackle-used-marijuana-quit-football]Retired Baltimore Ravens tackle used marijuana to quit football[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1154543]SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.[/quote]

Punch, please stop patting him on the head for posting whiney personal shit. We all have personal problems. I'd bet if we did a survey we'd find a number of people here who have much worse problems than he does. But this isn't Dear Abbey, is it?

SS84, from now on, please keep the pity party to yourself or I'll tell [U]you[/U] about [U]my[/U] personal problems (not really because that's not why I'm here). Just so you understand that I'm not unsympathetic, I [U]know[/U] what it's like to be clinically depressed. OK? Self-pity doesn't help. In fact, it is part of the problem. I think you know that. You've got to get help and fight to get better. I sincerely wish you well!

p.s. Your last post was a good one.

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[quote=punch it in;1154543]SS84 also for the sake of your own sanity - one person made a comment to you , not knowing that it would hit home personally and he apologized.
If Schneed wants to say ur dumb learn to laugh at it like we all do. I mean we all have freedom of speech and thought here. Why it is such a great site. You are a bit pessimistic but at least you are not Redskins1980 - you are cordial about being a debbie downer. You dont say things like "you are all fucking stupid and ill laugh at you when ur fuckin team never wins again!" Honestly you bring points to the table to back your shit up. I think it would suck if you left.
[B]Schneed as far as your first bullet point is this not the second time lightning has struck TW already?[/B][/quote]

True, but five years apart. If lightning doesn't strike again for another five years, guess who is worth keeping on the roster?

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1154557]Punch, please stop patting him on the head for posting whiney personal shit. We all have personal problems. I'd bet if we did a survey we'd find a number of people here who have much worse problems than he does. But this isn't Dear Abbey, is it?



SS84, from now on, please keep the pity party to yourself or I'll tell [U]you[/U] about [U]my[/U] personal problems (not really because that's not why I'm here).



Just so you understand that I'm not unsympathetic, I [U]know[/U] what it's like to be clinically depressed. OK? Self-pity doesn't help. In fact, it is part of the problem. I think you know that. You've got to get help and fight to get better. I sincerely wish you well![/QUOTE]



Mehh. How many posts has he made about his personal life ? One to my knowledge. It was in response to a snide remark. And C-red apologized. SS84 catches more grief about being debbie downer but so what? There is never a lack of room for compassion, and again he does not flood the football threads with any personal crap. Not even close.

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[quote=mooby;1154556]Ignoring the parts of the article at the beginning that read like they were written by a stoner, this is a good article about Eugene Monroe, aka that ex-NFL tackle who got cut by the Ravens for being a marijuana advocate.

[url=http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/17943168/retired-baltimore-ravens-tackle-used-marijuana-quit-football]Retired Baltimore Ravens tackle used marijuana to quit football[/url][/quote]

Its about time folks realize things are changing in this country and the medicinal uses for pain have scientific evidence behind it. Shit even Washington DC really loosened the laws...lets says down here in Va we are feeling the herbal effects of the DC law changes as well...

The next CBA the NFL needs to get in line and really chill out with the crazy suspensions....I forget who but an explayer said yesterday easily half the lockeroom is smoking.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1154558]True, but five years apart. If lightning doesn't strike again for another five years, guess who is worth keeping on the roster?[/QUOTE]


Oh no doubt. Hopefully never again but id sign up for five more years rite now.

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I will say, I don't know why marijuana is even a banned substance on the NFL's list, let alone illegal.

I still think people who smoke it are losers, whether it's legal or not, but there's no reason it should be illegal and there's no reason the NFL should consider it a banned substance.

It's all neither here nor there, though. The rules are the rules and TW broke them, whether it was pot or a missed test or something different altogether, it's a let-down no matter what.

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[quote=punch it in;1154561]Oh no doubt. Hopefully never again but id sign up for five more years rite now.[/quote]

Exactly, which was my entire point behind my five bullets.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1154562]I will say, I don't know why marijuana is even a banned substance on the NFL's list, let alone illegal.



I still think people who smoke it are losers, whether it's legal or not, but there's no reason it should be illegal and there's no reason the NFL should consider it a banned substance.



It's all neither here nor there, though. The rules are the rules and TW broke them, whether it was pot or a missed test or something different altogether, it's a let-down no matter what.[/QUOTE]



Not to stray to far from football, but why losers if you think it should be legal? It is not crack it is weed. Follow up question, do you think people who drink are losers?

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I'd guess at least 2/3 of the league smokes. It beats drinking or pill popping. Hopefully with this election a few more states will pass recreational use.

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[quote=punch it in;1154559]Mehh. How many posts has he made about his personal life ? One to my knowledge. It was in response to a snide remark. And C-red apologized. SS84 catches more grief about being debbie downer but so what? There is never a lack of room for compassion, and again he does not flood the football threads with any personal crap. Not even close.[/quote]

More than once. Check out post #39 in this thread, and I quote: "Insert comments about me now about how i'm off my medicine or other types of personal and racial crap like some of the other stuff i've had to deal with here."

That's what set me off. I hate whining but I'll try to be nice.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1154563]Exactly, which was my entire point behind my five bullets.[/QUOTE]



Yes but who is to say lightning cant or wont strike sooner?

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[quote=Chico23231;1154560]Its about time folks realize things are changing in this country and the medicinal uses for pain have scientific evidence behind it. Shit even Washington DC really loosened the laws...lets says the down here in Va we are feeling the herbal effects of the DC law changes as well...

The next CBA the NFL needs to get in line and really chill out with the crazy suspensions....I forget who but an explayer said yesterday easily half the lockeroom is smoking.[/quote]

I've heard estimates that 80% of the players smoke, obviously that seems high but I definitely wouldn't doubt that at least half the players do. I definitely agree the next CBA needs to have this issue addressed. I just wish the science aspect would catch up to the rate of public opinion.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1154566]More than once. Check out post #39 in this thread, and I quote: "Insert comments about me now about how i'm off my medicine or other types of personal and racial crap like some of the other stuff i've had to deal with here."



That's what set me off. I hate whining but I'll try to be nice.[/QUOTE]



That was again in response to C Reds comment tho. Maybe could have left it alone. Two comments doesn't constitute filling these threads with whining tho.

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[quote=punch it in;1154564]Not to stray to far from football, but why losers if you think it should be legal? It is not crack it is weed. Follow up question, do you think people who drink are losers?[/quote]

I can clarify my thinking. I think if you get yourself addicted to something, that makes you a loser. Because you know the risks going in, we all do, we're all taught about the risks of addiction in school, and most of us by our parents too.

So tobacco addiction, alcoholism, pain killers, any of that. Addiction = loser because you failed to recognize the demon and stop it in its tracks.

Weed, if done socially with no signs of addiction, I don't really have a beef. Same with social drinking. I partake in social drinking, and very rarely binge drinking. But I know the signs of addiction, I know what leads to it, what causes it, and I know how to avoid it, so I do.

Or, in the absence of actual medical addiction, if the behavior affects your mind or behavior to the point where memory recall is worse, or motivation is lower, or effectiveness in the workplace is lower, that also equates to loser.

Basically, have fun, but keep it in control. If this stuff gets out of control and affects your life, then you're weak, and can't keep the demons at bay. That's a loser.

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[quote=punch it in;1154569]That was again in response to C Reds comment tho. Maybe could have left it alone. Two comments doesn't constitute filling these threads with whining tho.[/quote]

Message received.

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[quote=punch it in;1154567]Yes but who is to say lightning cant or wont strike sooner?[/quote]

Until it does, would you cut one of the top 3 LTs in football? If not, you've made my point.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1154570]I can clarify my thinking. I think if you get yourself addicted to something, that makes you a loser. Because you know the risks going in, we all do, we're all taught about the risks of addiction in school, and most of us by our parents too.



So tobacco addiction, alcoholism, pain killers, any of that. Addiction = loser because you failed to recognize the demon and stop it in its tracks.



Weed, if done socially with no signs of addiction, I don't really have a beef. Same with social drinking. I partake in social drinking, and very rarely binge drinking. But I know the signs of addiction, I know what leads to it, what causes it, and I know how to avoid it, so I do.



Or, in the absence of actual medical addiction, if the behavior affects your mind or behavior to the point where memory recall is worse, or motivation is lower, or effectiveness in the workplace is lower, that also equates to loser.



Basically, have fun, but keep it in control. If this stuff gets out of control and affects your life, then you're weak, and can't keep the demons at bay. That's a loser.[/QUOTE]



Ok. I mean I am going to probably have a little more empathy for an addict because I think it permeates just a simple choice and actually affects the person physically. The demon of addiction can sneak up on someone. Before they realize what is happening it has you in its clutches. Yes though at some point you have to seek help, and put on your big boy pants.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1154572]Until it does, would you cut one of the top 3 LTs in football? If not, you've made my point.[/QUOTE]



Well your point was "just because lightning struck once you think it will happen again in the future". If you had put a clause on the future being a minimum of five years away that would be different. Of course if we look at the future as anytime from now on than your point takes on a whole new meaning. Not trying to split hairs, and I think everyone would sign up for 5 years of no nonsense from TW and than smoke up, right now.
Anyway we should land the plane and all pray together that Trent wants a HOF jacket more than a new bag of weed right now! Because that is basically his choice going forward. By that time he might even be able to spark up while giving his induction speech. Lol