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[quote=punch it in;1157076]And thank God we got Doctson. Lol. I know he could be potentially very good even great. Who knows? Im being a wiseguy. But I wouldn't argue BPA using him as an example of why it works at this point because we know nothing about him at this level.[/quote]

I had no problem drafting him and still don't. I still don't think we'll re-sign Jackson, so he'll be a starter next year.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157079]Good post.

Am I the only one liking Mason Foster at MLB? Not a pro bowler but a very solid tackler, helping us against the run.

I also think if we improve at DL, Murphy and Smith can do the job at OLB.

In an ideal world, I agree with you, but as somebody said, you can only fill so many holes.

Realistically, I think priority should be SS, FS and DL. I can live with keeping Baker, Kerrigan, Murphy(Smith), Cravens, Foster, Norman and Breeland as starters.

IMO Will Compton isn't physical enough but he seems to be a great team guy in the locker room and on the field... Don't know what to think about him.[/quote]

I think Compton and Foster are great backup linebackers but only average starters. Ideally you want to be better than average at every position. Also, if we didn't already have Kerrigan, Smith/Murphy are pretty solid starters, but i'd prefer 1 speed rusher and 1 bull rusher, with the other guys rotating in or being used in our other (non-base) defenses as needed.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157081]Whitner. Again. Clap clap clap.[/quote]

I'm still waiting to hear who is available right now who is better? Don't you think McC would have him in the roster? Have to wait till next year to replace him via draft.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157016]Didn't have a problem with either of Gruden's decisions. Remember Tampa last year? You win some, you lose some.[/quote]

And last Sunday after the 4th down conversion we were all admiring Grudens big balls. Sometimes it's the right decision whether it works out or not

But I will say he fucked up big time by not calling a timeout until :11 left in the 2nd quarter. We wasted 15 valuable seconds there

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157084]I think Compton and Foster are great backup linebackers but only average starters. [B]Ideally you want to be better than average at every position.[/B] Also, if we didn't already have Kerrigan, Smith/Murphy are pretty solid starters, but i'd prefer 1 speed rusher and 1 bull rusher, with the other guys rotating in or being used in our other (non-base) defenses as needed.[/quote]

We can't do that in one off-season, if ever. Some of these guys will need to stay for a couple more years.

CB - Norman
CB - Breeland
Slot CB - Fuller (I hope)
FS - Draft or FA
[B]SS - [/B][B]Cravens[/B]
ILB - Foster
ILB - [B]Steven Daniels[/B], Draft, or FA
OLB - Kerrigan
OLB - [B]Galette[/B], Draft, or FA
DE - Baker
DE - Draft or FA
NT - Draft or FA

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157088]We can't do that in one off-season, if ever. Some of these guys will need to stay for a couple more years.

CB - Norman
CB - Breeland
Slot CB - Fuller (I hope)
FS - Draft or FA
SS - [B]Cravens[/B]
ILB - Foster
ILB - Steven Daniels, Draft, or FA
OLB - Kerrigan
OLB - Galette, Draft, or FA
DE - Baker
DE - Draft or FA
NT - Draft or FA[/quote]

I stated "Now, I'm not saying all of these will actually happen, but I could see a lot of guys being replaced. Depending on how Fuller plays the last 5 games, we might also need a new slot CB."

So I agree, we're probably not going to have that many new starters. And Cravens could have been listed at MLB or SS, he will be a quality starter for us for years to come no matter where they put him. I just based it off how they are using him this year.

After 2 straight years of injuries, I don't think you can go into a season assuming you'll not only have Junior healthy, but that he will also be the same player, after not playing for 2 years.

I am interested to see how Daniels plays, he isn't a flash guy, but he led a great defense in college.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1157086]I'm still waiting to hear who is available right now who is better? Don't you think McC would have him in the roster? Have to wait till next year to replace him via draft.[/QUOTE]



Yea I think the knock is some people were thinking Whitner still had something in the tank. He clearly is below E.

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We need 2 new dline starters and we need to extend Chris baker. I'd let Ricky jean walk, and keep ziggy hood, Matt iannadis and Lanier as rotational/developmental depth.

I'd spend our 1 or 2nd round pick on dline and spend money on a mid range-high end dline free agent.

Folks, this is based on what Dallas has on their Oline...we need to play better against them.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157086]I'm still waiting to hear who is available right now who is better? Don't you think McC would have him in the roster? Have to wait till next year to replace him via draft.[/quote]

IMO Ihenacho is playing better. But yeah we have to wait next year to improve the position.
Just saying I'm disappointed by his play.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157089]I stated "Now, I'm not saying all of these will actually happen, but I could see a lot of guys being replaced. Depending on how Fuller plays the last 5 games, we might also need a new slot CB."

So I agree, we're probably not going to have that many new starters. And Cravens could have been listed at MLB or SS, he will be a quality starter for us for years to come no matter where they put him. I just based it off how they are using him this year.

[B]After 2 straight years of injuries, I don't think you can go into a season assuming you'll not only have Junior healthy, but that he will also be the same player, after not playing for 2 years.[/B]

I am interested to see how Daniels plays, he isn't a flash guy, but he led a great defense in college.[/quote]

Galette is far from a given. I just think he'll be the first player they'll evaluate for that spot.

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[quote=SirLK26;1157087]And last Sunday after the 4th down conversion we were all admiring Grudens big balls. Sometimes it's the right decision whether it works out or not

But I will say he fucked up big time by not calling a timeout until :11 left in the 2nd quarter. We wasted 15 valuable seconds there[/quote]

Clock management could be a lot better around here. Also, I thought that the onside kick with over 9 minutes left was a very poor call by Jay.

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[quote=punch it in;1157076]And thank God we got Doctson. Lol. I know he could be potentially very good even great. Who knows? Im being a wiseguy. But I wouldn't argue BPA using him as an example of why it works at this point because we know nothing about him at this level.[/quote]

look at our red zone offense . . . we could really use Doctson (someone with height, size and leaping ability (and speed) is very valuable there), which is one of the reason it made sense.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157079]Good post.

Am I the only one liking Mason Foster at MLB? Not a pro bowler but a very solid tackler, helping us against the run.

I also think if we improve at DL, Murphy and Smith can do the job at OLB.

In an ideal world, I agree with you, but as somebody said, you can only fill so many holes.

Realistically, I think priority should be SS, FS and DL. I can live with keeping Baker, Kerrigan, Murphy(Smith), Cravens, Foster, Norman and Breeland as starters.

IMO Will Compton isn't physical enough but he seems to be a great team guy in the locker room and on the field... Don't know what to think about him.[/quote]

i agree with the original post . . . we3 have no team speed on defense at all . . . we need speed on the edge at OLB and in the middle at MLB . . . and at both safety positions . . . that is the biggest problem on defense outside of missed tackles is we are way to slow

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1157095]look at our red zone offense . . . we could really use Doctson (someone with height, size and leaping ability (and speed) is very valuable there), which is one of the reason it made sense.[/QUOTE]



Do not disagree at all. Hope he comes back healthy and does just that.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157094]Clock management could be a lot better around here. Also, I thought that the onside kick with over 9 minutes left was a very poor call by Jay.[/quote]

Agree. There have been several incidents of exactly what happened before the half over the season. 26 seconds is a lot different than 11. 2 plays to the end zone or one? It is really that simple.

I like the onside kick. He said they got a look they wanted and had been practicing it. Hopkins kicked it a little too far, but that's the way it goes.

Our defense wasn't going to win the game for us, it was a play with huge upside that didn't work out but it was aggressive and playing to win on the road against a rival.

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I had zero issue with the onside kick, because of the early squandered opportunities we needed more scoring chances.

Plus who do you trust more the offense or the defense? It was a gutsy call but it made complete sense. If we got the ball and scored a TD we probably win the game.

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[quote=MTK;1157102]I had zero issue with the onside kick, because of the early squandered opportunities we needed more scoring chances.

Plus who do you trust more the offense or the defense? It was a gutsy call but it made complete sense. If we got the ball and scored a TD we probably win the game.[/quote]

I liked the onside kick too. The defense wasn't stopping Dallas at all. It was a good attempt and they still started on the other side of the 50. Defense still had a chance to get a stop or at least hold them to a FG. They did neither. Defense got their butts handed to them all 2nd half.

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[url]https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/802020024655474688[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157102]I had zero issue with the onside kick, because of the early squandered opportunities we needed more scoring chances.

Plus who do you trust more the offense or the defense? It was a gutsy call but it made complete sense. If we got the ball and scored a TD we probably win the game.[/QUOTE]



The early onsides i was against. We had momentum and almost ten minutes left. It was the first time the entire game I was thinking we are going to win. Than you give Dak n Zeke a short field. Yuck. Our D had no chance of getting a three n out to keep them out of fg range. U make em go 75 yards. Maybe there is a turnover. Who knows. I do not agree with the gamble there at all. However I like the overall aggressiveness of JG.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1157103]I liked the onside kick too. The defense wasn't stopping Dallas at all. It was a good attempt and they still started on the other side of the 50. Defense still had a chance to get a stop or at least hold them to a FG. They did neither. Defense got their butts handed to them all 2nd half.[/quote]

My issue is knowing that Dallas probably has the best OL and having seen that the defense couldn't stop them on the first drive and others, why would you think that would change and why are they making it easy and giving great field position? I like some of the gambling, but he kinda over did it yesterday.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1157107]My issue is knowing that Dallas probably has the best OL and having seen that the defense couldn't stop them on the first drive and others, why would you think that would change and why are they making it easy and giving great field position? I like some of the gambling, but he kinda over did it yesterday.[/QUOTE]



Yup.....especially when you just gain the momentum. Why take a risk there? Not necessary.

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We are going further than them in the post Season this year. That is all.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157107]My issue is knowing that Dallas probably has the best OL and having seen that the defense couldn't stop them on the first drive and others, why would you think that would change and why are they making it easy and giving great field position? I like some of the gambling, but he kinda over did it yesterday.[/quote]

I don't know if this was how Gruden figured it, and this is definitely a hindsight view, but IF we kicked it and they started at the 25, and our D doesn't stop them, they could have run the clock down to near zero with a long 9 min drive (that is what they did to the Ravens). So maybe you say to the D - "I'm gonna give the Offense a shot to win, but if not, you all need to step up". They didn't, but it only took 3 minutes instead of 9, and we still had a shot to score and onside kick again.

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[quote=punch it in;1157105]The early onsides i was against. We had momentum and almost ten minutes left. It was the first time the entire game I was thinking we are going to win. Than you give Dak n Zeke a short field. Yuck. Our D had no chance of getting a three n out to keep them out of fg range. U make em go 75 yards. Maybe there is a turnover. Who knows. I do not agree with the gamble there at all. However I like the overall aggressiveness of JG.[/quote]

Early is the time to try it so you still have time to rally.

Look, give them a long field in that spot with the way things were going they still probably drive down and score, use up more time, and we're still down.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Brian-Mitchell-goes-off-on-Redskins-coaches-49245194]Brian Mitchell goes off on Redskins coaches[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1157119][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Brian-Mitchell-goes-off-on-Redskins-coaches-49245194]Brian Mitchell goes off on Redskins coaches[/url][/quote]

Great article.

Folks, take a look at this simple stat, here is the reason why we loss:

The Redskins were just 2-for-5 in red zone efficiency, while the Cowboys were 4-for-4.

How many more god damn times are we gonna see the same bullshit play out time and time again? We've been talking about the red zone problems since the FIRST Cowboys game this year. I wanted to punch the fuckin tv when I saw us lineup in the wildcat this past weekend. Really? The fuckin wildcat? That's your answer to the red Zone issue?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1157121]Great article.

Folks, take a look at this simple stat, here is the reason why we loss:

The Redskins were just 2-for-5 in red zone efficiency, while the Cowboys were 4-for-4.

How many more god damn times are we gonna see the same bullshit play out time and time again? We've been talking about the red zone problems since the FIRST Cowboys game this year. I wanted to punch the fuckin tv when I saw us lineup in the wildcat this past weekend. Really? The fuckin wildcat? That's your answer to the red Zone issue?[/QUOTE]
It's because we don't run the ball in the RZ! It's not that complicated but we are too pass happy

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[quote=Chico23231;1157121]Great article.

Folks, take a look at this simple stat, here is the reason why we loss:

The Redskins were just 2-for-5 in red zone efficiency, while the Cowboys were 4-for-4.

How many more god damn times are we gonna see the same bullshit play out time and time again? We've been talking about the red zone problems since the FIRST Cowboys game this year. I wanted to punch the fuckin tv when I saw us lineup in the wildcat this past weekend. Really? The fuckin wildcat? That's your answer to the red Zone issue?[/quote]

And I must add our 2 point conversion inefficiency which is basically a RZ score. How many did we miss versus GB? 3 or 4, missed one against Dallas.

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Now is the time for the coaches who are responsible for the Red Zone problem to fix it. No excuses. Just fix it!

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[url=http://m.redskins.com/news/article-1/5-Takeaways-Redskins-Cowboys/9cfbcf9d-75ce-49ae-a059-ac79a636522d]Redskins Home[/url]

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Jordan Reed suffered a grade 3 shoulder separation and came back and scored 2 awesome TD's, including an insane one handed catch. No more doubts about his toughness, he's got his inner Kellen Winslow working.

Grade III - A complete separation of the joint. The acromioclavicular ligament, the coracoclavicular ligaments, and the capsule surrounding the joint are torn. Usually, the displacement is obvious on clinical exam. Without any ligament support, the shoulder falls under the weight of the arm and the clavicle is pushed up, causing a bump on the shoulder.

There are a total of six grades of severity of AC separations. Grades I-III are the most common. Grades IV-VI are very uncommon and are usually the result of a very high-energy injury such as one that might occur in a motor vehicle accident. Grades IV-VI are all treated surgically because of the severe disruption of all the ligamentous support for the arm and shoulder.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157116]Early is the time to try it so you still have time to rally.



Look, give them a long field in that spot with the way things were going they still probably drive down and score, use up more time, and we're still down.[/QUOTE]



I did think about the time saved right away due to the short field. Lol. Still though I just wanted our D to have a chance and pin them deep. No biggie. I am over it. Going to the post season and all is well.

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[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=21773&f=5751573]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

From 21:45 to 24:05 Chris Cooley says exactly what I've been saying all week long : you want the best 11 players on the field. [B][COLOR="Red"]On defense, Cravens is definitely in the best 11... and so is Mason Foster! So they shouldn't be splitting reps!!![/COLOR][/B] Cravens is a safety, we have a safety problem... Make him play Safety for andouillette's sake! Sit Whitner, have a strong tackler help against the run at ILB in Mason Foster... Just play the best 11 !

He explains it better than me but he says this shouldn't even be a discussion!

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157135][url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=21773&f=5751573]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

From 21:45 to 24:05 Chris Cooley says exactly what I've been saying all week long : you want the best 11 players on the field. [B][COLOR="Red"]On defense, Cravens is definitely in the best 11... and so is Mason Foster! So they shouldn't be splitting reps!!![/COLOR][/B] Cravens is a safety, we have a safety problem... Make him play Safety for andouillette's sake! Sit Whitner, have a strong tackler help against the run at ILB in Mason Foster... Just play the best 11 !

He explains it better than me but he says this shouldn't even be a discussion![/quote]

I could not agree more with you and Chris. Screw the hybrid crap; Su'a Cravens is an ideal NFL SS. Mason Foster is our best ILB. The Skins coaches should stop playing around with how to use Cravens and get both Cravens and Foster on the field at the same time.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1157135][url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=21773&f=5751573]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

From 21:45 to 24:05 Chris Cooley says exactly what I've been saying all week long : you want the best 11 players on the field. [B][COLOR="Red"]On defense, Cravens is definitely in the best 11... and so is Mason Foster! So they shouldn't be splitting reps!!![/COLOR][/B] Cravens is a safety, we have a safety problem... Make him play Safety for andouillette's sake! Sit Whitner, have a strong tackler help against the run at ILB in Mason Foster... Just play the best 11 !

He explains it better than me but he says this shouldn't even be a discussion![/quote]

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/28610/sua-cravens-just-fine-at-lb-donte-whitner-struggles]Su'a Cravens just fine at LB, but Donte Whitner struggles - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1157137]I could not agree more with you and Chris. [B]Screw the hybrid crap; Su'a Cravens is an ideal NFL SS[/B]. Mason Foster is our best ILB. The Skins coaches should stop playing around with how to use Cravens and get both Cravens and Foster on the field at the same time.[/quote]

If everyone watching from their couches can see this then why can't these dummies that are getting paid see it? This falls on Joe Barry and Gruden. Gruden as the HC need to just say..."F this, let him learn and master ONE position and then we'll talk about using him elsewhere." I just don't get what they're doing there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1157121]Great article.

Folks, take a look at this simple stat, here is the reason why we loss:

The Redskins were just 2-for-5 in red zone efficiency, while the Cowboys were 4-for-4.

How many more god damn times are we gonna see the same bullshit play out time and time again? We've been talking about the red zone problems since the FIRST Cowboys game this year. I wanted to punch the fuckin tv when I saw us lineup in the wildcat this past weekend. Really? The fuckin wildcat? That's your answer to the red Zone issue?[/quote]

It's really not that hard. Just split Reed out wide, move the other wr's over the the other side and let him do his thing, one on one. Sometimes I think Gruden and McVay get their jollies thinking up formations and plays, trying and get cute and think they're the smartest mother f'ers in the room. Split Reed out and everyone else get out of the way.

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Cravens needs to start and play all game, he's like a Troy Palomalu type player, Foster is good too. Our Main problem though is still DL, we just can't stop the run ever.

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Cravens is not an ideal Safety. He's actually and Ideal Outside LB in a 4-3. We will never run a 4-3 though. Most scouts pegged him as an LB. I actually think our two best linebackers on the team for this defense are Sua Cravens and Garvin. If we could run the 4-3 it would be...

OLB Garvin
MLB Compton or Foster
OLB Cravens

Yet again, I doubt we go to a 4-3.
[B]
Biggest issue with moving Cravens to safety in Joe Barry defense is he requires his safeties to be interchangeable. So there really is no "strong safety" and "free safety[/B]"

Cravens is a liability when it comes to using his hips and lateral movement. I actually like how he's being used right now in our 4-2-5 package. Only issue with this package is we don't have the beef on the line to stop the runs from shotgun and pistol. Compton is terribly slow as well and his speed from sideline to sideline is below average.

This defense right now is built for turnovers and for us to obtain leads, force teams to pass, and play catch up. Yet, we seem to only throw up points when we are falling behind and fail in the redzone early.

If we want to focus on this type of fast offense in the future. We need to get faster on defense too.

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For anyone criticizing the first onside kick. It was a perfect play call. Terrible execution. Ball wastate 10 yards with nobody around it but Redskins. It just continued to roll another 8 after.

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