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I think Reed lost it because the guy was yanking on his arms. He probably shouldn't have been in the game, because Carolina was probably going to target his injury.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1159659]It isn't.just a loss, it is a pattern that isn't.very encouraging. We had our destiny back in our own hands and blew it in an epic way. If we played well and lost, that would be not that bad, but to come out flat in a game with playoff implications isn't good.[/quote]

Having high expectations for a team with a lot of faults is never good. We've won games in spite of our defense, and we've lost games because of our defense. Even the games we won our defense has yet to have a game where they shut down a team. So when a team comes along and shuts down our offense, which is the main reason we win games, our odds of winning decrease to almost nil. Is this team better than it was two years ago? Yes. Is there still room for improvement? Obviously. Have faith in the long term plan. I don't think there's any way McC ignores the defense again this year. And at this point they'll probably bring in a new coordinator just to top it off.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1159663][B]I think Reed lost it because the guy was yanking on his arms.[/B] He probably shouldn't have been in the game, because Carolina was probably going to target his injury.[/quote]

That wasn't his injured arm.
He did take a cheap shot in his injured shoulder earlier in the game though.

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[quote=punch it in;1159640]Kirk himself has played well enough to win 10-12 games if he had half a defense and a serviceable run game.[/quote]

I do agree with this, but that still isn't an excuse for last night. Basically it looked like he went into John Beck mode after he threw the pick. He did not look like a franchise QB last night at all. Sometimes i just wish the guy had a little more Jamies Winston or Drew Brees in him. What I mean by that is have a more of a I dont give a F if I throw another pick attitude and take more chances.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1159660]Kirk's contract will be based on his 2015-16 body of work. An off game here and there won't change anything.[/QUOTE]
Both seasons will have 25 - 29 tds and 10-12 ints. He will get paid

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[quote=Redskins247;1159635]This is pretty much where I am as well. I had a bad feeling we'd lose to them and they certainly lived up to the disappointment. I mean what is with the Monday Night Games....did half the team get sh!tfaced the night before?? Why can't they ever win one of these?? I really think the best possible outcome we could hope for now is to somehow beat the Bears and Giants but still miss the playoffs, so everything ends with some hope for next season. I'd personally rather them not make the playoffs and get embarrassed again to end the season. Let them spend the offseason with these bitter losses to Arizona and Carolina and the stupid tie in London in their mouths that caused them to miss the playoffs, and maybe, just maybe they start the season off next year hungry![/quote]

There is definitely hope for the 2017 campaign, but from what I had seen last night, we are not a playoff team for 2016. It is almost better to tank to get a higher draft position.

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck;1159647]No but his last few performances should keep his price down a bit.[/QUOTE]



Gotcha....

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1159669]There is definitely hope for the 2017 campaign, but [B]from what I had seen last night, we are not a playoff team for 2016[/B]. It is almost better to tank to get a higher draft position.[/quote]

Bolded statement is true. The key words being "LAST NIGHT".
We can't say we are not a playoffs team based on one bad (awful/ugly/pathetic pick your poison) game.

Plenty of not so perfect teams make it to the playoffs every year.
If we make it there, then we are a playoffs team. If we make it to the playoffs two years in a row, we can be sure this franchise is heading in the right direction.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1159663]I think Reed lost it because the guy was yanking on his arms. He probably shouldn't have been in the game, because Carolina was probably going to target his injury.[/quote]

I still often question the intelligence of most football players, as in common sense / real life shit - and it always gets me why in the F do these guys throw punches at other guys who are fully helmeted. Even Jon Gruden said Reed is basically an idiot he could very easily have broken his hand

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1159667]Both seasons will have 25 - 29 tds and 10-12 ints. He will get paid[/quote]

I have been a Cousins fan from day 1, think he is a great person and a good football player that has the potential to be great. I do not believe that the Redskins will re-sign him. I do believe that someone is going to happily offer him the money that he wants.

I have read the articles like you all have, that mention his possible landing spots for next year if he becomes a FA - Denver, Houston, Cleveland, San Fran, New York Jets, there is going to be no shortage of teams now to go after him and lock him up.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1159676]Bolded statement is true. The key words being "LAST NIGHT".
We can't say we are not a playoffs team based on one bad (awful/ugly/pathetic pick your poison) game.

Plenty of not so perfect teams make it to the playoffs every year.
If we make it there, then we are a playoffs team. If we make it to the playoffs two years in a row, we can be sure this franchise is heading in the right direction.[/quote]

French, the problem was last night was a Home game against a 5-8 team. If the 'skins somehow manage to back into the playoffs, they will be up against much better competition.

Nothing we saw last night says that this team wants to extend their season.

We just don't have the horses this year...I don't think this team has any "magic" to pull out of a hat to start stopping decent offenses, let alone good ones.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1159678]I have been a Cousins fan from day 1, think he is a great person and a good football player that has the potential to be great. I do not believe that the Redskins will re-sign him. I do believe that someone is going to happily offer him the money that he wants.

I have read the articles like you all have, that mention his possible landing spots for next year if he becomes a FA - Denver, Houston, Cleveland, San Fran, New York Jets, there is going to be no shortage of teams now to go after him and lock him up.[/quote]

If I'm not mistaken we do have the right to negotiate with him before other teams? No way this team plays hardball with Kirk, aka "take 20 mil/year or walk." He will get 5 years, 125 mil, 70-80mil guaranteed. Just the way of the biz.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1159678]I have been a Cousins fan from day 1, think he is a great person and a good football player that has the potential to be great. I do not believe that the Redskins will re-sign him. I do believe that someone is going to happily offer him the money that he wants.

I have read the articles like you all have, that mention his possible landing spots for next year if he becomes a FA - Denver, Houston, Cleveland, San Fran, New York Jets, there is going to be no shortage of teams now to go after him and lock him up.[/QUOTE]
Skins already said they'll tag him again

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[quote=mooby;1159664]Having high expectations for a team with a lot of faults is never good. We've won games in spite of our defense, and we've lost games because of our defense. Even the games we won our defense has yet to have a game where they shut down a team. So when a team comes along and shuts down our offense, which is the main reason we win games, our odds of winning decrease to almost nil. Is this team better than it was two years ago? Yes. Is there still room for improvement? Obviously. Have faith in the long term plan. I don't think there's any way McC ignores the defense again this year. And at this point they'll probably bring in a new coordinator just to top it off.[/quote]

Great post!!!!!!! But your post basically says it all in how we really aren't a playoff team this year. That D can't be counted on for a "must stop". If the offense sputters, we are screwed. I know I tend to be negative, but we played with a purpose last December to get the title, now it seems like "MEH".

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1159687]Great post!!!!!!! But your post basically says it all in how we really aren't a playoff team this year. That D can't be counted on for a "must stop". If the offense sputters, we are screwed. I know I tend to be negative, but we played with a purpose last December to get the title, now it seems like "MEH".[/quote]

Even last year when we were winning out to make the playoffs, our d played just good enough to win. This year it feels like we've forced 3 turnovers in the last two months, and that was our saving grace early on when we were winning games. Last night was probably the best game we've played defensively in months, and they still put 26 on us. Seems like with this team we can never play a complete game.

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Let's not forget that the fumble put the ball on the 6 inch line for the Panthers, and the pick put them on our 18 yard line, with both resulting in TDs. Hard to blame the D for those, and absent those plays, the Panthers managed only FGs.

But still, the Panthers ran all over us, and Cam was over 300 yards. Our D was just not good -- bad tackling, missed assignments, and no turnovers. The D was just poor last night, as was our non-existent run game. I kept wondering why Kirk wasn't able to light up their terrible secondary, and then realized that they dropped a safety deep and applied enough pressure throughout the night to keep Cousins from getting deep looks down the field. And with Reed hurt, Davis deciding to have butterfingers, Garcon dinged up, it just didn't come together.

Overall, a pretty dispiriting night.

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Like matt said, win in CHI and we are back in the hunt, just need a little help

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1159683]Skins already said they'll tag him again[/quote]

I hope not. They should either sign him to a long term deal or let him walk.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1159701]I hope not. They should either sign him to a long term deal or [B]let him walk[/B].[/quote]

:doh:

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1159683]Skins already said they'll tag him again[/QUOTE]



Let him live in his la la land

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[QUOTE=MTK;1159707]Let him live in his la la land[/QUOTE]



Lol. You can say that again.....

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[quote=Bangee7;1159679]French, the problem was last night was a Home game against a 5-8 team. If the 'skins somehow manage to back into the playoffs, they will be up against much better competition.

Nothing we saw last night says that this team wants to extend their season.

We just don't have the horses this year...I don't think this team has any "magic" to pull out of a hat to start stopping decent offenses, let alone good ones.[/quote]

That lost was ugly. Worst game of the year (or maybe second to the week 1 game vs the Steelers, don't would have to see that game again).

But it's a week to week league.

AND.

As bad as they looked, that game was a few plays away from being a W. I mean, as bad as they played, it still was a winnable game:

-one blown coverage by Donte Whitner: + 4 points Car
-one blown block by Vernon Davis: + 7 points Car
-one missed extra points: - 1 points Was
-one drop by Davis that would have been a TD: - 4 points Was

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Speaking of Whitner hot damn he's terrible in coverage.

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Whitner blows red baboon ass.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1159662]I agree for the most part, but I do believe that not making the playoffs, redzone stats, or being clutch against bad teams like the Panthers will come into negotiating.[/quote]

Yes this is what I meant by his price coming down a bit.

I am a Kirk fan. He deserves to be paid and will be. I am worried we will fck it up because we have zero leverage. Off games like Carolina will give us at least a little bit of negotiating room. Otherwise Kirk can write his own cheque.

A second franchise tag is an option but a bad one. It's a huge cap hit and leads to bad blood. And what happens in 2018? Franchise again for $34M??

Skins will have to bite the bullet and pay the guy. If we try to get cute it will get ugly.

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[quote=MTK;1159731]Speaking of Whitner hot damn he's terrible in coverage.[/quote]

Probably one of the reasons he couldn't cut it in Cleveland. He is nothing more than an emergency measure for us, seriously hope we get an upgrade next year.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1159662]I agree for the most part, but I do believe that not making the playoffs, redzone stats, or being clutch against bad teams like the Panthers will come into negotiating.[/QUOTE]


The market sets the price, the team will have very little in terms of leverage. KC is in the driver's seat and both sides know it.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1159740]Probably one of the reasons he couldn't cut it in Cleveland. He is nothing more than an emergency measure for us, seriously hope we get an upgrade next year.[/QUOTE]



He's never been a cover guy, but man that TD he got spun around on was just ugly. I still can't figure out what he was trying to do there.

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[quote=MTK;1159742]He's never been a cover guy, but man that TD he got spun around on was just ugly. I still can't figure out what he was trying to do there.[/quote]

Whitner was totally ruining my high.

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Really losing to a losing team like Carolina and at home. When the spotlight was on them. Really no excuse either way.

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[quote=mooby;1159740]Probably one of the reasons he couldn't cut it in Cleveland. He is nothing more than an emergency measure for us, [B]seriously hope we get an upgrade next year[/B].[/quote]

But we have an upgrade right now! Ihenacho and Blackmon! And move Cravens to SS for coverage's sake! Anybody would be an upgrade over Whitner the way he's playing!

Cooley and Kevin were crazy about him still being on the field. They said we don't owe him anything, and they didn't care if he was a great locker room guy, at some point if he can't run, get him out of the field.

They got a solid point imo saying if the veteran is doing rookie mistakes, you might as well have a rookie in there (Cravens).

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1159750]They got a solid point imo saying if the veteran is doing rookie mistakes, you might as well have a rookie in there (Cravens).[/quote]

Or Deshazor Everett

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1159750]But we have an upgrade right now! Ihenacho and Blackmon! And move Cravens to SS for coverage's sake! Anybody would be an upgrade over Whitner the way he's playing!

Cooley and Kevin were crazy about him still being on the field. They said we don't owe him anything, and they didn't care if he was a great locker room guy, at some point if he can't run, get him out of the field.

They got a solid point imo saying if the veteran is doing rookie mistakes, you might as well have a rookie in there (Cravens).[/quote]

I wonder who decides the secondary starters. Is it Jay, Joe Barry or does it fall to Perry Fewell?

I've been watching Whiffner lately and man, I am not sure what the coaches are seeing.

I loved that quote..."if he's going to make rookie mistakes, you might as well have a rookie playing". At least with a rookie, there's some potential upside.

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[quote=SirLK26;1159752]Or Deshazor Everett[/quote]

Yes! Forgot about him, while I liked what we saw of him. One more reason not to play Whitner!

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[quote=Bangee7;1159753][B]I wonder who decides the secondary starters. Is it Jay, Joe Barry or does it fall to Perry Fewell?[/B]

I've been watching Whiffner lately and man, I am not sure what the coaches are seeing.

I loved that quote..."if he's going to make rookie mistakes, you might as well have a rookie playing". At least with a rookie, there's some potential upside.[/quote]

I'm wondering the same thing... I'm guessing it's talk between the 3, but does anyone know for sure? I'd say the HC has the last word on these matters but not sure.