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What do you guys think of Jeff Fisher as DC?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161804]What do you guys think of Jeff Fisher as DC?[/quote]

Nah. Was he even a good coordinator? I can't remember. He's been a head coach for over 20 years I think...some success there, but overall pretty average I think.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161804]What do you guys think of Jeff Fisher as DC?[/quote]

He's a douche bag.
He can go eat a bowl of dicks.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1161808]He's a douche bag.

He can go eat a bowl of dicks.[/QUOTE]



In my humble opinion, this is one of the top three posts I have ever read on here. At least for the 5 years I have been here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1161703]Barry shouldn't have been hired in the first place. It was a country club hire. He never had the talent to make it work anyway. [B]But his inability to be aggressive and stay passive with below average talent was what did it for me.[/B] If you have scrubs you have to be able to scheme things up and he seemed to never be able to do that. The 3rd and longs that were always converted also were probably his downfall.

I hope Gruden hires the best person that's out there, and not one of his Tampa or Cincy buddies.[/quote]

Even more than his play calling, some personnel decisions by this defensive staff drove me crazy.

Starting with sticking with Cravens at LB.

Among other things, Cooley gave some good reasons for a defensive staff change in his "what went wrong this year?" segment:

[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=21773&f=5800343]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

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[quote=punch it in;1161810]In my humble opinion, this is one of the top three posts I have ever read on here. At least for the 5 years I have been here.[/quote]

Here here. LOL

I go bag of smashed assholes, but I think I like bowl of dicks better.

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I'd put my money on the original head hunter. he has ties to the Richie Petitbone tree and my opinion is a good fiery DC who hasn't had the talent in the past but has done a pretty good job.

[url=http://www.colts.com/team/coaches/Greg-Manusky/6dd78169-300c-4a8f-a414-6e50fdf67126?qwr=fullsite_temporary]Indianapolis Colts: Greg Manusky[/url]

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I saw the Barry firing coming, but was also quite pleased to hear that Fewell won't be the DC...horrible job coaching the secondary IMO. Safety play never got better under him.

They really cleaned house...even throwing out the strength guy!

If I was Gruden, you damn well bet I would hire someone that I knew I could work with. There is no way I'd ever want that Ditka/Buddy Ryan drama going on in my club. I'd opt for the Joe Gibbs approach...one team pulling for each other.

But we're all different types & we'll see how it plays out.

At least it's a change that had to be made.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1161814]I'd put my money on the original head hunter. he has ties to the Richie Petitbone tree and my opinion is a good fiery DC who hasn't had the talent in the past but has done a pretty good job.

[url=http://www.colts.com/team/coaches/Greg-Manusky/6dd78169-300c-4a8f-a414-6e50fdf67126?qwr=fullsite_temporary]Indianapolis Colts: Greg Manusky[/url][/quote]

we need a little bit more of this....

[I]In 2014, under Manusky....[/I]

T[B]he Colts also finished second in the league in third down percentage allowed [/B](33.3%), which was the lowest single-season percentage allowed in team history since 1972. F[B]rom Weeks 4 through 7, the Colts only allowed one third down conversion in four straight games, marking the longest such streak by an NFL team since 1970.[/B]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1161709]A live look at Gruden's meeting this morning with the defensive staff:



[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/edtbi2r.gif[/IMG]



All of these clowns should have been fired. They deserve it.[/quote]

Th is Gold. No pun intended.

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I wonder how long it will take to announce the replacement DC. I hope its a reasonably quick signing. Seems like several good ready to go options.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161804]What do you guys think of Jeff Fisher as DC?[/quote]

I would rather drag my nuts across a cheese grater than watch Jeff Fisher coach for us.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1161821]I would rather drag my nuts across a cheese grater than watch Jeff Fisher coach for us.[/quote]

Yop! Keep his 7 and 9 bullshit out of here !

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[quote=NCSUredskin;1161714]First, I would like to say that I feel like a kid on Christmas morning that Barry has been canned! Wouldn't mind seeing Wade Phillips or maybe even Gus Bradley.

Second, This is my first post on this site, I have spent some time with Extreme Skins but grew tired of that site. Did a little looking around and like the feel of this one. Hope to have some good interactions on here.....also I BS around on twitter with fellow Skins fans as well, follow me @JRouse84[/quote]

How many times on the Extreme Skins site have you seen a poster suggest that a coaching candidate should eat a bowl of dicks? This is clearly the superior site!

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Glad to see Barry go, I understand he had a lack of talent but his scheme was brutal. It'd be interesting if we consider going a 4-3 coordinator. We have such a lack of talent at pretty much any position, I'd consider moving back to the 4-3 if that's what the best coordinator is comfortable with running.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161771]You and me both, brother.

If it's Gus Bradley I'm happy, if it's Manusky I'm pissed. But if it's Wade then I'm ecstatic.[/quote]

The Redskins are a billion dollar franchise. For this, we hired an incompetent coordinator (Barry) with a long history of losing -- just because he's buddies with the head coach? And somehow surprised things didn't work. The D-coach is a big decision, frankly if Gruden chooses Manusky, I'd put Gruden on the hot-seat for next year. Tired of losing because of bonehead moves like this.

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[quote=Daseal;1161824]Glad to see Barry go, I understand he had a lack of talent but his scheme was brutal. It'd be interesting if we consider going a 4-3 coordinator. We have such a lack of talent at pretty much any position, I'd consider moving back to the 4-3 if that's what the best coordinator is comfortable with running.[/quote]

As was pointed out before, the Redskins played plenty of 4-3 this year. The new defensive coordinator will be moot unless they find someone who can consistently rush the QB. The three defensive ends (Kerrigan, Smith+ Murphy) are inconsistent at best. I would like to see the number of hurries they had.... sack numbers are misleading if the DEs disappear for the rest of the game.

Junior is the wildcard, if he can stay healthy and regain his form from the past. He is the only current player with explosive speed.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1161804]What do you guys think of Jeff Fisher as DC?[/quote]

I like the idea, but only if he gets appointed to be our defensive captain every single game as some sort of public humiliation.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29626/redskins-defensive-coordinator-candidates-include-greg-manusky]Redskins' defensive coordinator candidates include Greg Manusky - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=ethat001;1161826]The Redskins are a billion dollar franchise. For this, we hired an incompetent coordinator (Barry) with a long history of losing -- just because he's buddies with the head coach? And somehow surprised things didn't work. The D-coach is a big decision, frankly if Gruden chooses Manusky, I'd put Gruden on the hot-seat for next year. Tired of losing because of bonehead moves like this.[/quote]

Don't worry. If Jay Gruden screws up this hire, he's as good as gone by the end of next season. Guaranteed.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1161834]Don't worry. If Jay Gruden screws up this hire, he's as good as gone by the end of next season. Guaranteed.[/quote]

On the contrary, giving Gruden another chance to start over on the defense tells me Bruce and/or Scot really likes him. If this next season [I]totally[/I] goes to shit Gruden could be fired I suppose, but if it's just the defense that's bad and his offense is still playing well I would bet anything he and his D coordinator will be back for another year. Going further, this makes me more optimistic we get a long term deal done with Cousins. Bruce/Scot will want to give their coach his guy at QB

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[quote=Schneed10;1161771]You and me both, brother.

If it's Gus Bradley I'm happy, if it's Manusky I'm pissed. But if it's Wade then I'm ecstatic.[/quote]

I'm not sure about Bradley coming here?

First he's only as good as his talent. So like Barry he can't turn chicken feed into chicken salad. Granted when he did have talent his defense was on point. And McCloughan did construct his best units so they may rekindles their defensive wizardry if they reunite.

Second I have heard he plans on following Anthony Lynn, wherever he goes, to be his DC:

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/01/report-gus-bradley-to-go-with-anthony-lynn-this-offseason/amp/?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us[/url]

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/gus-bradley-anthony-lynn-jacksonville-jaguars-awkward/amp[/url]

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The DC job should interest top candidates: we're going heavy on D this draft, the offense is in good shape, and the old guy is leaving small shoes to fill. The days when the best coach we could attract was Jim Zorn seem to be behind us.

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If Jeff Fishfucker becomes our defensive coordinator I'm switching teams or just never watching football again.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1161839]If Jeff Fishfucker becomes our defensive coordinator I'm switching teams or just never watching football again.[/quote]


Considering Fisher is holding a grudge against The Skins, for sacking his boy Shanahan, Kanye West and George W. Bush singing a duet would be more probable.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1161840]Considering Fisher is holding a grudge against The Skins, for sacking his boy Shanahan, Kanye West and George W. Bush singing a duet would be more probable.[/quote]

I'd rather have those two be co-defensive coordinators than hire Fisher.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Wade take the job for a few years and then let his prodigy Manusky take over. Dude has got a lot of praise from Wade in the past.

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[quote=HTTR;1161838]The DC job should interest top candidates: we're going heavy on D this draft, [COLOR="Red"]the offense is in good shape[/COLOR], and the old guy is leaving small shoes to fill. The days when the best coach we could attract was Jim Zorn seem to be behind us.[/quote]

really ? free agent QB, 2 WRs, TE and questionable running game

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Gruden fired his buddy - that's a good sign. I am hoping the whole Tampa Bay/Allen/Gruden thing is over.

I agree with KI Skins Fan, this is it for Gruden. He stuck with Haslett - probably out the same TBay/B. Allen connections - and kind of got a pass b/c, well, he was giving continuity a chance.

However, for his first "hire," Gruden passes on Phillips, a proven but unexciting DC who wanted to be here, with a history of making defenses better regardless of talent, and who's 3-4 scheme fit the personnel on hand. Instead, Gruden hires Barry a DC who only worked one year in a 3-4 scheme, whose only DC experience was taking a low-talent defense and leading it to a 0-16 season. Why? Bb/c he knew him, because he talked a good game when they interviewed, because he was high-energy, because he's Marinelli's son-in-law, because Barry had compromising pictures, because ... ???

Phillips goes to Denver and, with solid talent, puts together a stifling D that won Peyton Manning a second Super Bowl ring. Barry takes a limited talent D and has it play to its talent level. Who, regardless of his energy or alleged acumen, always seemed to be a step or two behind the opposing offense.

Gruden is entering year four. Scot McC is now running the team and is a no-nonsense guy. I think he basically says to Gruden:

"We are about to invest in your QB, we have solid talent on offense, we have the makings of a very good O-Line, I will be investing in the defense this offseason. You have one year to make sure that this defense improves and get your offense in the end zone. You have been given every opportunity to succeed your way - now, get this hire right or get the hell out."

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[quote=Irrefutable;1161848]really ? free agent QB, 2 WRs, TE and questionable running game[/quote]

Go brush up on the cap situation. Almost all of those guys will be back.

"Refutable"

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1161850]Gruden fired his buddy - that's a good sign. I am hoping the whole Tampa Bay/Allen/Gruden thing is over.

I agree with KI Skins Fan, this is it for Gruden. He stuck with Haslett - probably out the same TBay/B. Allen connections - and kind of got a pass b/c, well, he was giving continuity a chance. So he got a pass for that.

However, for his first "hire," Gruden passes on Phillips, a proven but unexciting DC who wanted to be here, with a history of making defenses better regardless of talent, and who's 3-4 scheme fit the personnel on hand. Instead, Gruden hires Barry a DC who only worked one year in a 3-4 scheme, whose only DC experience was taking a low-talent defense and leading it to a 0-16 season. Why? Bb/c he knew him, because he talked a good game when they interviewed, because he was high-energy, because he's Marinelli's son-in-law, because Barry had compromising pictures, because ... ???

Phillips goes to Denver and, with solid talent, puts together a stifling D that won Peyton Manning a second Super Bowl ring. Barry takes a limited talent D and has it play to its talent level. Who, regardless of his energy or alleged acumen, always seemed to be a step or two behind the opposing offense.

Gruden is entering year four. Scot McC is now running the team and is a no-nonsense guy. I think he basically says to Gruden:

"We are about to invest in your QB, we have solid talent on offense, we have the makings of a very good O-Line, I will be investing in the defense this offseason. You have one year to make sure that this defense improves and get your offense in the end zone. You have been given every opportunity to succeed your way - now, get this hire right or get the hell out."[/quote]

I don't think firing the coach is McCloughan's call. The organization has never stated such. I think McCloughan and Gruden are peers on the org chart, both reporting to Allen.

Allen would certainly take input from McCloughan on Gruden, and from Gruden on McCloughan. But I think on a hire/fire coaching decision it would be up to Allen and Snyder, not McCloughan.

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[quote=mooby;1161793]Um, I think he hired Barry before he benched RG3. Barry was hired in the offseason, RG3 wasn't benched until preseason.[/quote]

In 2014 he was benched and I think he and Snyder were already off on the wrong foot. Remember the reports that Snyder called Gruden's agent in 14 and said..."your guy is stealing" That can't be confirmed but I probably think Gruden went for a DC that would not threaten him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1161852]I don't think firing the coach is McCloughan's call. The organization has never stated such. I think McCloughan and Gruden are peers on the org chart, both reporting to Allen.

Allen would certainly take input from McCloughan on Gruden, and from Gruden on McCloughan. But I think on a hire/fire coaching decision it would be up to Allen and Snyder, not McCloughan.[/quote]

You're probably right. Personally, I think Gruden and Scot McC may be headed for rough waters. Gruden's comments about "drafting a guard and a guy who didn't play" (paraphrasing) aren't a ringing endorsement of McC. We'll see. Regardless, Gruden needs to get this hire right. Not often you see a HC survive three DC's in four years - I think it highly unlikely he will get an opportunity to choose a fourth.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1161823]How many times on the Extreme Skins site have you seen a poster suggest that a coaching candidate should eat a bowl of dicks? This is clearly the superior site![/quote]

LOL, can't say that I ever saw that......Also, what do y'all think the timeline will be? Since so much of the defensive staff was cleared, I have the feeling they have already been talking to someone, I could be wrong on that though, also could point that they have been talking with Manusky.....which would highly piss me off

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1161856]You're probably right. Personally, I think Gruden and Scot McC may be headed for rough waters. Gruden's comments about "drafting a guard and a guy who didn't play" (paraphrasing) aren't a ringing endorsement of McC. We'll see. Regardless, Gruden needs to get this hire right. Not often you see a HC survive three DC's in four years - [B]I think it highly unlikely he will get an opportunity to choose a fourth[/B].[/quote]

Agree, but imo it's also unlikely Gruden and the new dc only get one year to turn the defense around. Just can't see Gruden getting fired if his team as a whole is a playoff contender again, even if the defense is still bad. And if Gruden returns for 2018 season, that dc will as well

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I think best case scenario would be if:

1. Paul Guenther would somehow get released with a Marvin Lewis firing or retiring.
2. Wade Phillips leaves Denver and comes to DC
3. Bradley decides against going with that Buffalo dude and comes here.

Im just not feeling Manusky...this would be disappointing.

I think the most intriguing is the Steve Wilks from Carolina coming here. I would be satisfied with him being hired.

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[quote=Chico23231;1161862]I think best case scenario would be if:

1. Paul Guenther would somehow get released with a Marvin Lewis firing or retiring.
2. Wade Phillips leaves Denver and comes to DC
3. Bradley decides against going with that Buffalo dude and comes here.

Im just not feeling Manusky...this would be disappointing.

I think the most intriguing is the Steve Wilks from Carolina coming here. I would be satisfied with him being hired.[/quote]

I have a lot of respect for Manusky. It's just that he's not yet on the same level as the three top-notch defensive coordinators you listed. The Redskins need the very best DC they can get.

Jay Gruden made an inexplicable mistake when he hired Joe Barry over Wade Phillips. He's fortunate to get a mulligan. Now, we'll find out if he has learned from his mistake.

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i would like us to sign phillips as the D.C. and get wilks as secondary coach/co defense cordinator,so when philklips retires he can step right in, any names for D- line coach

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For Gus Bradley fans:

Early buzz: Gus Bradley is atop Redskins' list of defensive coordinator candidates. GM Scot McCloughan knows him well from their time in SEA

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1161856]You're probably right. Personally, I think Gruden and Scot McC may be headed for rough waters. Gruden's comments about "drafting a guard and a guy who didn't play" (paraphrasing) aren't a ringing endorsement of McC. We'll see. Regardless, Gruden needs to get this hire right. Not often you see a HC survive three DC's in four years - I think it highly unlikely he will get an opportunity to choose a fourth.[/quote]

Agree - Gruden will go into this 4th year of his 5 year coaching contract with all eyes on him. Allen and Snyder will definitely need to see the defense going in the right direction or he won't get an extension and won't be kept as a lame duck. This is a make or break year for Gruden and he knows it.

If he makes a smart hire then he'll be well thought of.

Every time Wade has taken over a defense it has immediately become a top 10 defense. If I'm Gruden, and I'm looking to save my job, I don't really know why it would be any more complicated than that.

He may go through the process and conclude that Manusky is the best man for the job, given aggressive philosophy or whatever. But man if I'm Gruden I don't know why you wouldn't go for the sure thing.

Like if you hire Wade Phillips and the defense somehow didn't perform better, how can anyone question that decision? The narrative will be well Jay made the smart move but surprisingly it didn't work. He'd still get canned, but at least around the NFL he'd carry a reputation for having made a smart decision. He's in a position where he should be going with the chalk.