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[quote=mooby;1164093]So basically in return for our Pro Bowl qb we get 2 rookies and a 5th round rookie?

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Lol, This post is about draft prospects. I don't know what we will get if and when the trade happens. That post is about what we could get this year, not even thinking about next year's picks.

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My feeling right now....if Solomon Thomas, Barnett and the 2 safeties are gone at 17....trade back a couple spots

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[quote=Chico23231;1164112]My feeling right now....if Solomon Thomas, Barnett and the 2 safeties are gone at 17....trade back a couple spots[/quote]

Good strategy,however, I do not see much difference between pick #20 and #30. Who knows maybe you can add a round 2 or a round 3 pick.

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Caleb Brantley, DT (Fla) 6-2, 314

check out the play he makes at 1:21 - fights thru 3 blockers to get a TFL - wow

[U][url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCG3gt-QgVw[/url][/U]

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MTK's boy Bucky has his first mock draft out...[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000779541/article/bucky-brooks-mock-draft-10-senior-bowl-effect-on-first-round]Bucky Brooks mock draft 1.0: Senior Bowl effect on first round - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1164137]MTK's boy Bucky has his first mock draft out...[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000779541/article/bucky-brooks-mock-draft-10-senior-bowl-effect-on-first-round]Bucky Brooks mock draft 1.0: Senior Bowl effect on first round - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

John Ross........ no thanks. I see 10 players listed after him I would rather have. If they sign Jackson or Garcon a WR in the first round would be foolish

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[quote=Irrefutable;1164139]John Ross........ no thanks. I see 10 players listed after him I would rather have. If they sign Jackson or Garcon a WR in the first round would be foolish[/quote]

This is the 2nd mock I've seen with us picking him. There is just no way we pick a receiver in the 1st round again. I like the Doctson pick but even I'd revolt this year. And I even like Ross, but it just can't/won't happen.

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[quote=Chico23231;1163434]most hookers do




This is refreshing, Per Keim on Twitter:

Doubt he falls here. [B]Know Skins want DL 1st[/B]. With Cravens moving there not sure Skins view as needing to take S high. But: BPA theory.

thank you Jesus[/quote]

Take a pure safety for insurance. Don't be surprised if none of last season's rooks aren't on the team in a few years. Most overrated draft we have had in several seasons. The move to S will help Cravens in increasing his chances of staying healthy, but he seemed to be a walking injury last season. IF Doctson hurts his Achilles again I won't cry, but LMAO at how unlucky we were in 2016.

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There's no way in hell Hooker falls to 17. If he does you just laugh at the other teams while you run a 4.3 40 to the podium. Him and Adams won't be there.

I want a defensive lineman, I think our best value combined with need is there.

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I feel like the best value at our pick will be someone on the D line. If I was a gambler, I'd put my money on that. But I'll take any one that plays defense.

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Here's what my untrained eyes are seeing...

Looking purely at how some of the top d-linemen played in big games this year, I was a little underwhelmed. I want DL more than anyone, but I don't want us to waste a #17 pick either.

Myles Garrett (T A&M) against Alabama/LSU - not impressed
Caleb Brantley (Fla) against Alabama - non-factor
Derek Barnett (Tenn)- against Alabama - non-factor
Chris Wormly (Mich) - against Fla State - pedestrian
Montravious Adams (Aub) - against Alabama & Clemson - some flashes, some plays off

The guys I really liked so far - guys with high motors & forced an impact
Jonathan Allen (Ala)
Soloman Thomas (Stan)
Taco Charlton (Mich)
Malik McDowell (Mich St)

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I think Allen will be long gone by the time we pick. Charlton is my fav. He was so disruptive in the games I saw. Like you said, real high motor, quick first step, he has a burst and that's what's we're sorely missing. He'd be my pick at 17, if he's still there.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1164187]I think Allen will be long gone by the time we pick. Charlton is my fav. He was so disruptive in the games I saw. Like you said, real high motor, quick first step, he has a burst and that's what's we're sorely missing. He'd be my pick at 17, if he's still there.[/quote]

assuming you are right about Charlton and he is the pick, where does he play ? They have Kerrigan, Smith, Murphy, and maybe Galette .

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[quote=Irrefutable;1161932]Excellent answer, Thomas had 1 sack, several hurries, and 9 tackles in his bowl game. Before the game it appeared he would be available at # 17. It looks like a decent D line class, so a good one should be available.

The mock drafts are all over the place. And the combine has a big impact on picks, so it is still early.

Also will the new coach play a 4-3 ? Are they looking to replace Baker, or play next to him ? or a DE to replace Smith ?

Here is a good list;

[url=http://walterfootball.com/draft2017DE.php]WalterFootball.com: 2017 NFL Draft: Defensive End Rankings[/url][/quote]

They better decide on whether or not the 3-4 stays soon. If it is kept, you will need a couple LBs to be acquired in the offseason along with a bona fide NT, along with the obvious DTs that should be the top priority. IF they go to the 4-3 Kerrigan can go back being a DE and possibly become a real beast again. Draft any defensive line stud there is!!!!! We will have a nice unit if a couple seasons. I just hope Kirk doesn't get too greedy and lets us just give him a longer deal so we can keep a decent amount of cap space to get a solid team setup for a change.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1164191][B]They better decide on whether or not the 3-4 stays soon.[/B] If it is kept, you will need a couple LBs to be acquired in the offseason along with a bona fide NT, along with the obvious DTs that should be the top priority. IF they go to the 4-3 Kerrigan can go back being a DE and possibly become a real beast again. Draft any defensive line stud there is!!!!! We will have a nice unit if a couple seasons. I just hope Kirk doesn't get too greedy and lets us just give him a longer deal so we can keep a decent amount of cap space to get a solid team setup for a change.[/quote]

Manusky already said he's sticking with the 3-4. He wants a big NT, but didn't say they had to draft one. I'm not sure there is a current stud NT out there, but with Tomsula on board, he may be able to coach some guy up.

Either way, we can always find room for a stud DE (Chris Baker needs re-signed), so we actually still need 2 DE's right now. Trent Murphy may be asked to move to DE again this year, but Galette is no guarantee to return either.

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[quote=Bangee7;1164200]Manusky already said he's sticking with the 3-4. He wants a big NT, but didn't say they had to draft one. I'm not sure there is a current stud NT out there, but with Tomsula on board, he may be able to coach some guy up.

Either way, we can always find room for a stud DE (Chris Baker needs re-signed), so we actually still need 2 DE's right now. Trent Murphy may be asked to move to DE again this year, but Galette is no guarantee to return either.[/quote]

Going to a 3-4 is a big mistake. They have no NT and no natural OLBs..... Kerrigan, Smith, and Murphy are not good OLBs. And to small as 3-4 DT/DEs. What are they going to do, play 5 LBs with two down lineman in passing situations ?

Hopefully this is a smokescreen by Manusky and they plan to play a 4-3, like they did a significant amount last year.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1164201]Going to a 3-4 is a big mistake. They have no NT and no natural OLBs..... Kerrigan, Smith, and Murphy are not good OLBs. And to small as 3-4 DT/DEs. What are they going to do, play 5 LBs with two down lineman in passing situations ?

Hopefully this is a smokescreen by Manusky and they plan to play a 4-3, like they did a significant amount last year.[/quote]

Yeah, it's both (3-4 & 4-3) -similar to last year....you can listen for yourself:


this is the recap...
[U][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/5ps8mm/greg_manusky_interview_with_doc_walker_and_brian/[/url][/U]


Here's the actual recorded interview...
[U][url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=425&f=5820243]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url][/U]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1164190]assuming you are right about Charlton and he is the pick, where does he play ? They have Kerrigan, Smith, Murphy, and maybe Galette .[/quote]

I'm a strong believer in best player available. The coaches will have to figure that one out.

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YOUR TEAM: WASHINGTON REDSKINS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 8653 (GRADE: C-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Raekwon McMillan, ILB/OLB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 17: Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 7: Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame (B-)
Round 4 Pick 17: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (C+)
Round 5 Pick 10: Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B)
Round 6 Pick 17: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (A-)
Round 6 Pick 25: C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa (C-)
Round 7 Pick 17: Ashton Lampkin, CB, Oklahoma State (B-)

[url=http://first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=e5cb4d6b-979c-4d4e-9ede-5feb07b913ae]edromeo's Washington Redskins Draft Results 1/30/2017[/url]

Its fun, the accuracy is so-so but if you're a draft but u might enjoy it

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YOUR TEAM: WASHINGTON REDSKINS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 8605 (GRADE: C-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Michigan State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (A)
Round 3 Pick 17: JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern California (A+)
Round 4 Pick 7: Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 10: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 5 Pick 17: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B)
Round 6 Pick 17: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (A-)
Round 6 Pick 25: Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin (F)
Round 7 Pick 17: Ben Boulware, ILB, Clemson (D+)

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[quote=30gut;1164256]YOUR TEAM: WASHINGTON REDSKINS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 8605 (GRADE: C-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Michigan State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (A)
Round 3 Pick 17: JuJu Smith-Schuster, WR, Southern California (A+)
Round 4 Pick 7: Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 10: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 5 Pick 17: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B)
Round 6 Pick 17: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (A-)
Round 6 Pick 25: Antonio Pipkin, QB, Tiffin (F)
Round 7 Pick 17: Ben Boulware, ILB, Clemson (D+)[/quote]


I like this one

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I couldn't get 30Gut's site to work, so I found FanSpeak & gave that a shot. Two points to make clear- (1) I am not a BPA convert; needs are important to me & (2) I'm a Penn State grad & fan


R1 17 EDGE TACO CHARLTON, MICHIGAN
R2 17 S MARCUS WILLIAMS, UTAH
R3 17 DL DAVON GODCHAUX, LSU
R4 7 C ETHAN POCIC, LSU
[B]R4 17 WR CHRIS GODWIN, PENN STATE[/B]
R5 10 LB MARQUEL LEE, WAKE FOREST
R6 17 LB HARVEY LANGI, BRIGHAM YOUNG
R6 25 RB TAQUAN MIZZELL, VIRGINIA
[B]R7 17 LB BRANDON BELL, PENN STATE[/B]

I doubt that this would rate very high, but it was fun.

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[quote=Bangee7;1164186]Here's what my untrained eyes are seeing...

Looking purely at how some of the top d-linemen played in big games this year, I was a little underwhelmed. I want DL more than anyone, but I don't want us to waste a #17 pick either.

Myles Garrett (T A&M) against Alabama/LSU - not impressed
Caleb Brantley (Fla) against Alabama - non-factor
Derek Barnett (Tenn)- against Alabama - non-factor
Chris Wormly (Mich) - against Fla State - pedestrian
Montravious Adams (Aub) - against Alabama & Clemson - some flashes, some plays off

The guys I really liked so far - guys with high motors & forced an impact
Jonathan Allen (Ala)
Soloman Thomas (Stan)
Taco Charlton (Mich)
Malik McDowell (Mich St)[/quote]

Thanks for the info...I've saw Derek Barnett stand out twice when playing this year.

I just hope we go defense with our first 3 picks...

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Solomon Thomas or Montravious Adams are my two top picks at that spot (unless one of the top two safeties fall to us).

Thomas was a freaking animal out there. Like straight tossing people around left and right.

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[url=http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Mike-Mayock-names-10-standouts-from-Senior-Bowl/61c2601e-938b-46c4-a9d1-0c7c8592f1fd]Mike Mayock names 10 standouts from Senior Bowl[/url]

Ive heard multiple scouts saying this guy is real deal: LB Haason Reddick, Temple

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Curious to see what people think about OJ Howard. If he's there when we pick, and he's BPA do you take him?

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[quote=30gut;1164253]YOUR TEAM: WASHINGTON REDSKINS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 8653 (GRADE: C-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 17: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Raekwon McMillan, ILB/OLB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 17: Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama (A)
Round 4 Pick 7: Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame (B-)
Round 4 Pick 17: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (C+)
Round 5 Pick 10: Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 17: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (B)
Round 6 Pick 17: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (A-)
Round 6 Pick 25: C.J. Beathard, QB, Iowa (C-)
Round 7 Pick 17: Ashton Lampkin, CB, Oklahoma State (B-)

[url=http://first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=e5cb4d6b-979c-4d4e-9ede-5feb07b913ae]edromeo's Washington Redskins Draft Results 1/30/2017[/url]

Its fun, the accuracy is so-so but if you're a draft but u might enjoy it[/quote]

They do not have two picks in the 5th round. They traded their own for Derrick Carrier.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1164301]Curious to see what people think about OJ Howard. If he's there when we pick, and he's BPA do you take him?[/quote]

he is suppose to be a beast...Id be disappointed if we didn't address defense first pick...but if we had to take an offense player, he'd be my choice

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[url=http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php?d=vezptx]Fanspeak's On the Clock NFL Mock Draft Simulator[/url]

Mock from Fanspeak using CBS' rankings


R1P17: EDGE TACO CHARLTON, MICHIGAN

R2P17: WR DEDE WESTBROOK, OKLAHOMA

R3P17: DL DALVIN TOMLINSON, ALABAMA

R4P7: CB FABIAN MOREAU, UCLA

R4P17: RB DONTA FOREMAN, TEXAS

R5P10: TE JAKE BUTT, MICHIGAN

R6P17: S JORDAN STERNS, OKLAHOMA STATE

R6P25: DL JEREMIAH LEDBETTER, ARKANSAS

R7P17: G BEN BRADEN, MICHIGAN

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[quote=Chico23231;1164305]he is suppose to be a beast...Id be disappointed if we didn't address defense first pick...but if we had to take an offense player, he'd be my choice[/quote]

I wouldn't mind if we took him at all. He would most certainly help in the run game. I think we need a traditional TE that can move people off the ball.

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Here's my fanspeak. Did some trading back, made some risk picks toward the end. Either way, I would be happy with this draft.

33: R2P1 EDGE TACO CHARLTON MICHIGAN
49: R2P17 S BUDDA BAKER WASHINGTON
52: R2P20 EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER FLORIDA STATE
81: R3P17 C ETHAN POCIC LSU
82: R3P18 TE JAKE BUTT MICHIGAN
101: R3P37 WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER USC
112: R4P7 CB DAMONTAE KAZEE SAN DIEGO STATE
122: R4P17 WR TRAVIS RUDOLPH FLORIDA STATE
155: R5P10 DL RYAN GLASGOW MICHIGAN
162: R5P17 DL LARRY OGUNJOBI CHARLOTTE
202: R6P17 EDGE BRYAN COX JR. FLORIDA
210: R6P25 RB JOE MIXON OKLAHOMA

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1164351]Here's my fanspeak. Did some trading back, made some risk picks toward the end. Either way, I would be happy with this draft.

33: R2P1 EDGE TACO CHARLTON MICHIGAN
49: R2P17 S BUDDA BAKER WASHINGTON
52: R2P20 EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER FLORIDA STATE
81: R3P17 C ETHAN POCIC LSU
82: R3P18 TE JAKE BUTT MICHIGAN
101: R3P37 WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER USC
112: R4P7 CB DAMONTAE KAZEE SAN DIEGO STATE
122: R4P17 WR TRAVIS RUDOLPH FLORIDA STATE
155: R5P10 DL RYAN GLASGOW MICHIGAN
162: R5P17 DL LARRY OGUNJOBI CHARLOTTE
202: R6P17 EDGE BRYAN COX JR. FLORIDA
210: R6P25 RB JOE MIXON OKLAHOMA[/quote]

Kinda a dream draft..you mocked like 8 potential starters. Not to shabby...

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per Rich Tandler... the 5th round pick traded for Carrier was conditional, and the conditions were not met, so it is now a 7th round pick

They have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds. They must find more than two that contribute in this draft.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1164588]per Rich Tandler... the 5th round pick traded for Carrier was conditional, and [B]the conditions were not met, so it is now a 7th round pick[/B]

They have 7 picks in the first 5 rounds. They must find more than two that contribute in this draft.[/quote]

damn...that sucks. But, on the bright side, we still have Josh Doctson and Steven Daniels, who were both injured prior to getting their rookie years under their belt.

So, next year is their "redshirt" Rookie year.

There's a chance that both of those guys can contribute.

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^That's a good thing, it means instead of losing a 5th we only lose a 7th

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So instead of giving up a 5th, its only a 7th? for Carrier?

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[quote=Evilgrin;1164630]So instead of giving up a 5th, its only a 7th? for Carrier?[/quote]

yes, I never understood offering a 5th for Carrier, he was about to be cut by the 49ers

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That was fun...

Your score is: 9427 (GRADE: C+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 26 (SEA): Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Michigan State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Budda Baker, FS, Washington (B+)
Round 2 Pick 22 (MIA): Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (A)
Round 3 Pick 17: Kendell Beckwith, ILB, LSU (B-)
Round 3 Pick 33 (DEN): David Sharpe, OG, Florida (A)
Round 3 Pick 34 (MIA): Devonte Fields, OLB/DE, Louisville (B)
Round 4 Pick 7: Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland (B+)
Round 4 Pick 17: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 10: James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh (A-)
Round 6 Pick 17: Jalen Myrick, CB, Minnesota (B)
Round 6 Pick 25: Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse (B+)
Round 7 Pick 17: Anthony Firkser, FB, Harvard (A-)

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1164351]Here's my fanspeak. Did some trading back, made some risk picks toward the end. Either way, I would be happy with this draft.

33: R2P1 EDGE TACO CHARLTON MICHIGAN
49: R2P17 S BUDDA BAKER WASHINGTON
52: R2P20 EDGE DEMARCUS WALKER FLORIDA STATE
81: R3P17 C ETHAN POCIC LSU
82: R3P18 TE JAKE BUTT MICHIGAN
101: R3P37 WR JUJU SMITH-SCHUSTER USC
112: R4P7 CB DAMONTAE KAZEE SAN DIEGO STATE
122: R4P17 WR TRAVIS RUDOLPH FLORIDA STATE
155: R5P10 DL RYAN GLASGOW MICHIGAN
162: R5P17 DL LARRY OGUNJOBI CHARLOTTE
202: R6P17 EDGE BRYAN COX JR. FLORIDA
210: R6P25 RB JOE MIXON OKLAHOMA[/quote]

You draft like Scott M. No DL until Round 5. A lot of good prospects, though.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1164634]You draft like Scott M. No DL until Round 5. A lot of good prospects, though.[/quote]


take another look.... his #1 pick (Taco Charlton, 6-5 285) is a 5 technique DE with a high motor


Edit: also his 3rd pick is a 5T

p.s. - this would be an awesome draft