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Whatever.....if McClue was an alchy then all this drama is his fault.
If Snyder is at fault for anything its for hiring the loser in the first place.
Feck this guy and the bourbon wagon he rode in on.

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[quote=punch it in;1167518]I tend to believe that SM fell off the wagon, although my hatred for Allen and Snyder wants to believe the jealousy/built in excuse to fire him. That just seems sooooo ridiculous even for BA and DS.
Bottomline though is that I don't even care. Our quarterback and gm were the two best things this team had going and now.......ugh[/quote]

The best thing this off season has been retaining Jay another two years. IMO KC and Dalton both owe their careers to JG. JG is great at taking below average QB's and making them above average; if KC walks he will do it again with another QB. I say let KC play out 2017-18 but have someone in the wings to groom.

As far as BA; he has cleaned up the salary cap and he is the perfect yes man for DS. Did anyone ever think DS was tired of being the bad guy so BA is willing to take the fall for him in the public's eyes?

If you are really this upset about the Skins cancel your season tickets or stop supporting them; hit DS in the wallet only way you will get his attention.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1167432]Wait, is that a rumor? That rg3 is coming back here??[/QUOTE]



Really?

Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

[QUOTE=mredskins;1167523]The best thing this off season has been retaining Jay another two years. IMO KC and Dalton both owe their careers to JG. JG is great at taking below average QB's and making them above average; if KC walks he will do it again with another QB. I say let KC play out 2017-18 but have someone in the wings to groom.



As far as BA; he has cleaned up the salary cap and he is the perfect yes man for DS. Did anyone ever think DS was tired of being the bad guy so BA is willing to take the fall for him in the public's eyes?



If you are really this upset about the Skins cancel your season tickets or stop supporting them; hit DS in the wallet only way you will get his attention.[/QUOTE]



I cancelled my season tickets years ago, and yes i agree about JG. Best thing about this offseason to point. I will say that in Kirks rookie year - fresh off the bench and stepping into huge shoes (griff was obviously a superstar in the making than) that he came into a tough ass game against the Ravens and won it. Than won a must win against the Browns to keep our playoff hopes alive. Yes the Browns but KC lit them the fuck up. So KC showed great potential in a tough spot well before JG.
Edit: Him and JG work great together, they will also probably both be gone in two years. Lol

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[quote=Chico23231;1167516]Good point. We are so sick and tired of the promises to change how we do business because its never truly happened. I think its fascinating how the top line management has packaged and sold this bs to the fans over and over. Folks it truly starts with Dan Snyder and his advisors. It isn't debatable. The people who have his ear and his actions directly lead to his reign of shit.

For people who think Jay is calling the shots, you obviously still haven't learned. He may have a little input, but clearly Bruce is the overwhelming authority in that building.[/quote]

Totally agree, it starts at the top. The common denominator throughout this debacle is DS. As long as he's at the top this organization will always be a dysfunctional loser.

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Bruce Allen seems like a little shithead. No link lol. That's just my conclusion after reading all our discussions and the different articles out there.

The guy really is Smithers. The next GM that comes in, if any, will be one crazy guy. If I had any offers even near what the GM is from another team, even for less money, I'd tell Allen to shove the job offer where the sun don't shine.

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He just looks smug as fuck, LOL.

[IMG]http://prod.static.redskins.clubs.nfl.com/assets/images/imported/WAS/centerpieces/landing-page-centerpieces/coach-front-office-staff-photos/NED_0288AllenInside.jpg[/IMG]

Now THAT is a shit-eating grin.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1167536]Bruce Allen seems like a little shithead. No link lol. That's just my conclusion after reading all our discussions and the different articles out there.

The guy really is Smithers. The next GM that comes in, if any, will be one crazy guy. If I had any offers even near what the GM is from another team, even for less money, I'd tell Allen to shove the job offer where the sun don't shine.[/quote]

Living of his fathers fame

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Let's face it. Allen is only here and in the NFL because of his last name. I think he is the kind of guy that should be an agent, and I think he was one at one point. He is not the kind of guy that should be running a franchise. His press conference a few years ago told me that. I was shocked listening to him stumble and mumble all over himself. He sounded incompetent.

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[quote=MTK;1167517]@Russellmania621

Exact quote from 2/25 b4 combine:

“Bruce and Jay make decisions on EVERYTHING. The record of Redskins last 2 years is Bruce and Jay."[/quote]

Really the main reason ( not the only of course) that we've been hovering around 500 is the QB play. We've simply got better QB play and that pick is all Shanahan. Allen was a main contributor to maybe one of the worst trades in NFL history. And he was also part of the McNabb trade. I'd give Gruden and SM credit for making that change in 15 and sticking by it.

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Bruce Allen is an older guy but acts like a sophomore high school chick.

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Wow!
I'm impressed at how much you guys know about Allens and Snyders relationship.
You must spend a lot of time with them.
Do you guys usually do nine or eighteen down at Boca?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1167550]Wow!
I'm impressed at how much you guys know about Allens and Snyders relationship.
You must spend a lot of time with them.
Do you guys usually do nine or eighteen down at Boca?[/quote]

The irony is Dan and Bruce are drinking buddies...but suck as football personnel......McC is a drunk and apparently drinks alone, but is great at picking football talent.

We need to find a balance between alcohol consumption and putting together a competent team.

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The guy only won executive of the year once but yeah he's probably incompetent.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1167550]Wow!
I'm impressed at how much you guys know about Allens and Snyders relationship.
You must spend a lot of time with them.
Do you guys usually do nine or eighteen down at Boca?[/quote]

We usually go 13.5. We hit our tee shots on 13 then walk of the fairway. That's our thing.

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

You can be good at your job and still be a douche bag nobody likes. And just like a player, because you had a good season/year in say 2012, that doesn't mean you'll be good in 2017.

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1167546]Really the main reason ( not the only of course) that we've been hovering around 500 is the QB play. We've simply got better QB play and that pick is all Shanahan. Allen was a main contributor to maybe one of the worst trades in NFL history. And he was also part of the McNabb trade. I'd give Gruden and SM credit for making that change in 15 and sticking by it.[/quote]

nothing to do with the line, or the offensive weapons, or ST, or any of a myriad of things? Just saying it's a bit easy to say it's all the qb. (Though I'm sure KC's agent will be calling you as a personal reference)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167555]nothing to do with the line, or the offensive weapons, or ST, or any of a myriad of things? Just saying it's a bit easy to say it's all the qb. (Though I'm sure KC's agent will be calling you as a personal reference)[/quote]

I said " not the only reason." I never said it's all the QB. I said he's a big reason why we're hovering around 500.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1167556]I said " not the only reason." I never said it's all the QB. I said he's a big reason why we're hovering around 500.[/quote]

yup, I had a snow day moment. sorry

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Everyone on ESPN is giving the Redskins grief for the "leak" and that this didn't happen in SF or Seattle. If not, how did we find out drinking was involved in SF and Seattle? It had to be a leak, right?

TBH, I blame the WaPo for making the decision to publish it. I know they want to sell papers, but if they had any morals at all, they would have held it.

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[quote=MTK;1167552]The guy only won executive of the year once but yeah he's probably incompetent.[/quote]

That was in 2002. Just look how he ( and Snyder) has handling so many things since Bruce has been here. It's seriously indefensible.

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

Gruden's influence is obviously significant, more than we previously thought. I'm ok with Bruce as long as Jay has his say too.

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[quote=hilker09;1167562]Everyone on ESPN is giving the Redskins grief for the "leak" and that this didn't happen in SF or Seattle. If not, how did we find out drinking was involved in SF and Seattle? It had to be a leak, right?

TBH, I blame the WaPo for making the decision to publish it. I know they want to sell papers, but if they had any morals at all, they would have held it.

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The Redskins will get more grief about the exact same circumstance than any other team in the NFL. Just part of the Redskins experience.

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[quote=MTK;1167566]Gruden's influence is obviously significant, more than we previously thought. I'm ok with Bruce as long as Jay has his say too.[/quote]


Do you think this might have been a power play by Gruden to dump Scot?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1167573]Do you think this might have been a power play by Gruden to dump Scot?[/QUOTE]
Oh, I don't think Gruden had anything to do with it...definitely Allen, though.

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Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

Yea, Team president in the NFL is such an easy job, even a cave man could do it.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1167577]Yea, Team president in the NFL is such an easy job, even a cave man could do it.[/quote]

I don't know about a cave man, but I did hear BA spent Wednesday Night at a Holiday Inn Express

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

I'm sure SM's wife didn't help matters. First it was the issue with Russini, so we all knew he was leaking stuff to her. And then she trolled the Redskins with the SB rings. Seems like he couldn't control his own wife from running her mouth.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1167585]I'm sure SM's wife didn't help matters. First it was the issue with Russini, so we all knew he was leaking stuff [B]on/in [/B]her. And then she trolled the Redskins with the SB rings. Seems like he couldn't control his own wife from running her mouth.[/quote]

fixed it

...that lucky bastard

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

I dont think Scott was drinking,this is some made up bullshit by the skins and its very classless.Showing up to games drunk and in the locker room and nobody ever said anything till now? I call bullshit bullshit bullshit.This is a never ending soap opera called the Washington Redskins.Would make a great HBO series but it's a shitty reality series to the fans

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1167569]The Redskins will get more grief about the exact same circumstance than any other team in the NFL. Just part of the Redskins experience.[/QUOTE]


Imagine the grief if they had kept this all under wraps and just out of the blue canned him and we had no idea why. Not saying the leaks were the right way to handle it, but it was probably a lose/lose for the Skins either way.

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This could very well be the worst off season in NFL history so far.....

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Im not buying for a second Scot's drinking was the problem. Everything I have read has people saying it didnt affect how he did his job. No, the real problem was Bruce Allen. Listen to Mike Jones' interview yesterday on ESPN 980, he went into great detail about the whole situation. Scot didnt really have the power he was led to believe when he signed on. He was supposed to have final say over personnel decisions but Allen was way more hands on than expected, overruling him on a number of decisions. Hell, at one point, Scot AND Jay wanted to cut Kory Lichtensteiger but Bruce overruled them both and kept him. And when things went wrong Bruce would make Scot the scape goat in league circles. Like on the Kirk decision last year, Scot wanted to get him signed but Bruce was against it, and when it became apparent they should have gotten the deal done after all, Bruce was telling people that if it hadnt been for Scot, they would have. Is it any wonder there was friction? Understandably Scot finally had enough and basically quit. Man, screw Bruce Allen. Seriously, get this turd out of here. I dont see us ever being a respectable team with him in charge

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I'm not a big fan of Bruce Allen but if Scott wasn't drinking we wouldn't be having this conversation. Every alcoholic I've ever known that started drinking again, and from what I've read, Scott never even stopped after losing 2 jobs because of it, started with having a drink with his buddies and after the first couple of times because nothing went wrong, thought he/she had a handle on it. By the time they realized they were wrong they were trying to trim their pubic hair with a weed whacker because they couldn't find the sissors. No matter how you look at it, SM has a problem and his decision cost him again no matter what Mr. Brownose Allen thinks of him.

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[quote=MTK;1167591]Imagine the grief if they had kept this all under wraps and just out of the blue canned him and we had no idea why. Not saying the leaks were the right way to handle it, but it was probably a lose/lose for the Skins either way.[/quote]

Or if something public happens like Scot getting a DUI or something.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-wont-sign-with-Bruce-Allen-still-employed-51703015]Report: Kirk Cousins won't sign with Bruce Allen still employed[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1167607][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Kirk-Cousins-wont-sign-with-Bruce-Allen-still-employed-51703015]Report: Kirk Cousins won't sign with Bruce Allen still employed[/url][/quote]

Good for Kirk.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop;1167609]Good for Kirk.[/QUOTE]
So you are ok with a player saying who the team should have negotiate and write the contracts?!!?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167610]So you are ok with a player saying who the team should have negotiate and write the contracts?!!?

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I'm good with an employee who flips the bird to a snake in the grass for a manager, especially if this doesn't hurt his future employment chances.

"Cousins has some of the biggest cojones in history...dude is drafted by a team that just made the most lopsided trade in history for a player at his position, somehow he manages to rise from the ashes and become a starting quarterback. Suffers repeated setbacks. Turns down 60M betting on himself and balls out. Now he's willing to repeat the process all over again if the team doesn't' fire it's the GM. Dude is fucking nuts..." - sailingdude12

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[quote=itvnetop;1167612]I'm good with an employee who flips the bird to a snake in the grass for a manager, especially if this doesn't hurt his future employment chances.

"Cousins has some of the biggest cojones in history...dude is drafted by a team that just made the most lopsided trade in history for a player at his position, somehow he manages to rise from the ashes and become a starting quarterback. Suffers repeated setbacks. Turns down 60M betting on himself and balls out. Now he's willing to repeat the process all over again if the team doesn't' fire it's the GM. Dude is fucking nuts..." - sailingdude12[/quote]

If Cousins had big cojones, he would deliver during big moments such as the last game of the season last year when the playoffs were on the line.

I can understand if our dysfunctional team was running Jay Gruden out of town, that he would feel this way. But Jay, the coach who believed in him and gave him the opportunity (at the risk of his own status with the team) is still with the team and pretty much in control.

But this is all a negotiation ploy to either get the team to trade him. Because this is all he can do, he has little or no bargaining chips in this situation.