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[quote=GridIron26;1173106]This is pretty amazing to see how many people could easily assume about someone, especially without gathering information. As we all have learned from NFL players and research since last few years, concussions in NFL can get bad fast and even life-changing experience in worst way. We all have to respect players' opinions/thoughts and their focus on their well-being than football itself. After all, they will be the one who is living with consequences of their decisions. What they, including Cravens, will do barely impact us if at all except for our irrational emotions. Yes, Cravens could have make this kind of decision earlier, enough to give Redskins some time to find a replacement but then, Cravens could have learned something significant recently. Without knowing full information, we must remain open.

For you to bash Cravens for making that decision, shows the world what is wrong with humans nowadays. We are always so quick to jump to conclusions and assume the worst, and even wish the worst on someone just because s/he made a decision that s/he felt is right for himself.[/quote]

Who bashed Cravens? I went through all of the post and did not see any bashing.

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A few in here have condemned him. You should see his twitter. Fans can be a bunch of assholes. Let him be, if he wants to walk so be it, if he wants to stay and play great. He's a grown man. Who here can tell another man what to do with that mans life? It doesn't work that way. I wish him all the best whatever he decides in the next month.


If he retires and doctson doesn't stay healthy last years draft is a big fat F. Unless Fuller and Big Matt work out. They are really the only ones left correct?

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Think about this. They finished the 53 man cut and he announces he is going to retire after the final cut. Way didn't he tell them earlier in the day? People lost their jobs and the ability to put food on the table for their family. He cost someone money by waiting until after the deadline. He follows that gem up with a txt message to his teammates and says "Peace Out". That is bush league. If he does not want to play football, let him walk, recover his bonus and give it to somebody that wants to play.

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[QUOTE=OmahaRedskins;1173114]Who bashed Cravens? I went through all of the post and did not see any bashing.[/QUOTE]



Really?

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Cravens sounds like an emotionally immature punk. Does he know how many guys would love to be in his shoes? And all you have to say is "peace out?" We heard rumblings last year of him kind of acting aloof about an injury. Fuck that, he obviously isn't serious about wanting to play football. Everett may or may not be good but that son of a bitch loves to compete and will knock the shit out of someone. Cravens apparently would rather play ping pong.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1173113]Yes, yes, what you say might be true as long as the terms "fuckin little bitch", "fake motherfucker", and "typical millennial cunt" are no longer considered to be insults. I don't know. I'm old. Times change. They could be fine now.[/quote]

Lol

That was a little much. I was in church too.

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So Everett is the starter now?

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Cravens cousin is Jordan Cameron who was a stud TE during his brief career and
Retired due to concussions. Maybe this influenced his decision?

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[B] Cravens is the person who has to live his life after football.if he feels the need to retire,god bless him.[/B]
i wonder how long sudfeld stays on the eagles practice squad?

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[quote=Chico23231;1173085]I think he doesn't want to be a skin. I wouldn't cut him but look for a trade.

This fuckin pisses me off with these spoiled fuckin athletes. Fuckin little bitch. Fake motherfucker. Feint retirement bc he doesn't like the east coast, his job, his team. [B]Typical millennial cunt[/B][/quote]

lol.

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[quote=insane4theskinsi;1173125][B] Cravens is the person who has to live his life after football.if he feels the need to retire,god bless him.[/B]
i wonder how long sudfeld stays on the eagles practice squad?[/quote]

Sudfeld will last about 1 week with the Eagles..... I assume he sings for his check. (plays etc.)

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The video of him talking to Compton on sidelines was crazy..He sounds like he is searching for something..Hope he finds it..dang thats a lot of money he is walking away from.

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[quote=MTK;1173120]Really?[/quote]

Nobody on this thread called him bad names or even said he was a quitter. A lot of folks bashed him on ESPN, but didn't call him any bad names, just questioned his heart. Did people post some really bad stuff and had the posts removed? Update: Yeah I went back farther in the thread, and someone did go ape shit. Didn't know the Sua discussion went back another page.

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[QUOTE=FlyerSkin;1173133]Nobody on this thread called him bad names or even said he was a quitter. A lot of folks bashed him on ESPN, but didn't call him any bad names, just questioned his heart. Did people post some really bad stuff and had the posts removed? Update: Yeah I went back farther in the thread, and someone did go ape shit.[/QUOTE]



Uh, yes that happened. Look back. I'll assume you just missed it.

FWIW (and that may not be much), it incredibly frustrating to hear this news at all and the timing makes it worse. But who knows what the guy is dealing with? If he's going to retire for health reasons, I wish him well. If he comes back, I'll root for him. In the meantime, ill root for the next man up and hope he exceeds expectations.

If it does turn out that Cravens has no health issue and this is a guy with little heart for the game, while it sucks and I hate wasting this pick and won't be buying him a beer at a bar anytime soon, no sense flipping out about it. Plenty of guys will want to fill his shoes.


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It is his life. That being said, the only gripe is the timing. The team was really counting on him to take a big step forward.

Who knows if it is selfishness or immaturity or simply a late epiphany, but i would bet he had similar feelings last year when he didn't play through injury. If he voiced the feelings then and the team didn't account for that, it is a totally different situation as far as blame goes.

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The timing definitely sucks...so he waits until other guys are cut to make his decision?

screw that.

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I can't fault Cravens for thinking of his personal well-being. Football isn't worth your life. But his timing is real shitty. If you're contemplating, do it during the offseason so we can add it to the list of needs. The week before the season starts is probably the worst time to do it. I forget who said it (my apologies), but I agree with the statement. If he comes back, it's just temporary. You can't rely on a guy who's not committed. Maybe he comes back, rides out the season. But it will end in 3 ways. 1. (highest odds) he gets cut or traded. 2. (50/50) he retires. 3 (lowest odds) he fully commits to playing football and has a long and fulfilling career with us.

If he does retire, so be it. I see this as the start of something commonplace. Now that players know the risks, more and more will be willing to walk away from the game to preserve the rest of their life. Meeting players at the HOF made something very obvious to me. The mashed fingers, the joint pain, some of them can barely walk, or lift their arms, not to mention the threat of CTE. Players might make a lot of money, but they sacrifice their bodies for the rest of their lives, some more than others. For some the money won't be worth it. I can't fault them for that.

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[quote=calia;1173134]Uh, yes that happened. Look back. I'll assume you just missed it.

FWIW (and that may not be much), it incredibly frustrating to hear this news at all and the timing makes it worse. But who knows what the guy is dealing with? If he's going to retire for health reasons, I wish him well. If he comes back, I'll root for him. In the meantime, ill root for the next man up and hope he exceeds expectations.

If it does turn out that Cravens has no health issue and this is a guy with little heart for the game, while it sucks and I hate wasting this pick and won't be buying him a beer at a bar anytime soon, no sense flipping out about it. Plenty of guys will want to fill his shoes.


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Yeah, I looked back an extra page and missed the zinger. I did update my post to say I was wrong and found the "zinger". I can't blame Sua and I can see he is frustrated and/or torn so I wouldn't rip on him. This is bad news for the team and with a really vanilla preseason, this might not bode well for the season. I forgot that he still had vision problems from the concussion he had last season. Being reminded of that, I am surprised he didn't call it quits sooner. Life is more precious than any sport. Hopefully he isn't a party animal and has plenty of $$$$$$ to start a new life if he does decide to hang it up.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1173140]Yeah, I looked back an extra page and missed the zinger. I did update my post to say I was wrong and found the "zinger". I can't blame Sua and I can see he is frustrated and/or torn so I wouldn't rip on him. This is bad news for the team and with a really vanilla preseason, this might not bode well for the season. [B]I forgot that he still had vision problems from the concussion he had last season[/B]. Being reminded of that, I am surprised he didn't call it quits sooner. Life is more precious than any sport. Hopefully he isn't a party animal and has plenty of $$$$$$ to start a new life if he does decide to hang it up.[/quote]

I thought that was just a "joke" he made on social medias...

Can't find anything recent about it.

Did I miss something?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1173141]I thought that was just a "joke" he made on social medias...

Can't find anything recent about it.

Did I miss something?[/quote]

It was a joke? A lot of folks thought it was real. Including me.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1173142]It was a joke? A lot of folks thought it was real. Including me.[/quote]

Well, not exactly a joke but he posted he would have to ware glasses for the rest of his life while it was only for a short rehab:

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-source-denies-sua-cravens-impaired-vision-claims/ar-AAiRGY5]Report: Source denies Su'a Cravens impaired vision claims[/url]

[url=http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20161012/sua-cravens-vision-problem-clarified-by-washington-coach-jay-gruden]Su’a Cravens’ vision problem clarified by Washington coach Jay Gruden[/url]


Can't find anything more recent on that matter.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1173143]Well, not exactly a joke but he posted he would have to ware glasses for the rest of his life while it was only for a short rehab:

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-source-denies-sua-cravens-impaired-vision-claims/ar-AAiRGY5]Report: Source denies Su'a Cravens impaired vision claims[/url]

[url=http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20161012/sua-cravens-vision-problem-clarified-by-washington-coach-jay-gruden]Su’a Cravens’ vision problem clarified by Washington coach Jay Gruden[/url]


Can't find anything more recent on that matter.[/quote]

yeah, that whole incident was bizarre...I thought he was just being a social media drama queen. A lot of these kids are "all about me" now-a-days.

Can't go 15 minutes without talking about themselves.

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time to move on ..another strike on the redskins draft and Front office..did they not know about his wanting to quit in college that would have been a red flag.cant blame Him if he wants out of football .its his life..what gets me is all NFL teams put so much stock into measurables ..40 times,bench press etc..There is no test for the LOVE of the game.Great players have the IT factor that can't be measured.

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[quote=mooby;1173139]I can't fault Cravens for thinking of his personal well-being. Football isn't worth your life. But his timing is real shitty. If you're contemplating, do it during the offseason so we can add it to the list of needs. The week before the season starts is probably the worst time to do it. I forget who said it (my apologies), but I agree with the statement. If he comes back, it's just temporary. You can't rely on a guy who's not committed. Maybe he comes back, rides out the season. But it will end in 3 ways. 1. (highest odds) he gets cut or traded. 2. (50/50) he retires. 3 (lowest odds) he fully commits to playing football and has a long and fulfilling career with us.

If he does retire, so be it. I see this as the start of something commonplace. Now that players know the risks, more and more will be willing to walk away from the game to preserve the rest of their life. Meeting players at the HOF made something very obvious to me. The mashed fingers, the joint pain, some of them can barely walk, or lift their arms, not to mention the threat of CTE. Players might make a lot of money, but they sacrifice their bodies for the rest of their lives, some more than others. For some the money won't be worth it. I can't fault them for that.[/quote]

Totally agree that this is something we're going to see a lot more. I wonder if eventually you'll see players sign, then retire after a season because they got a decent little payday.

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[quote=Bangee7;1173136]The timing definitely sucks...so he waits until other guys are cut to make his decision?

screw that.[/quote]

Exactly. They he pulls up his core part of the team on a group text...why face go face these days...and when they inquiry what's going on/how can they help...he gives them the very a polite fuck off aka peace out.

Fuck this guy

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1173147]time to move on ..another strike on the redskins draft and Front office..did they not know about his wanting to quit in college that would have been a red flag.cant blame Him if he wants out of football .its his life..what gets me is all NFL teams put so much stock into measurables ..40 times,bench press etc..There is no test for the LOVE of the game.Great players have the IT factor that can't be measured.[/QUOTE]The surprising thing to me is that I thought McC was going to bring in those kinda guys. In that draft, at least, it seems like he may have missed on several players because of lack of that drive.

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This is what's so alarming to me. How do you draft a guy in the 2nd round who obviously doesn't love football. Seems like this is the case with not only Cravens but Jones too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1173155]This is what's so alarming to me. How do you draft a guy in the 2nd round who obviously doesn't love football. Seems like this is the case with not only Cravens but Jones too.[/quote]


I would argue that they "don't love football".My assessment is that they have put their priorities in place and football is not top of the list any more.Some people have an epiphany at the strangest times and that little voice in your head tells you what to do.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1173155]This is what's so alarming to me. How do you draft a guy in the 2nd round who obviously doesn't love football. Seems like this is the case with not only Cravens but Jones too.[/quote]

Plus wasn't it McC matching orders when drafting he wanted "football" players, people who loved the game. Anywho these guys are very young and Carvens is just done with football, so be it. Next guy.

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It seems that Scotty M doesn't really know what constitutes a real "football guy". Only
Crowder and Scherf panned out, and
Leonard Williams would have been a better pick than Brandon. The Doctson pick was the biggest wtf pick of the draft!

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[quote=mredskins;1173157]Plus wasn't it McC matching orders when drafting he wanted "football" players, people who loved the game. Anywho these guys are very young and Carvens is just done with football, so be it. Next guy.[/quote]

Scot said that for getting the fans excited over what was going to be a subpar off-season due to money constraints. He couldn't get really decent free agents, so the "football guy" spin came about. Thing is with regards to free agents, we are still acquiring scrubs. With
Norman being somewhat exposed for being the victim of super hype, the only really solid free agent pickup has been Vernon Davis. Josh was a good pickup, but not for the $$$$ we gave him. Only worse deal was when Snyder gave all that
$$$$$ to Deion and Reed. At least Bruce Smith did something.

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John Riggins retired then returned to carry us to our first Super Bowl win.
The sky is not falling. Some of you folks are really upset because one unproven player is acting out. Big deal. Given what is happening here in Houston this seems small.
Maybe if people did not try to pressure Sua into coming back from injury before HE was ready, he might not be acting this way.

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[quote=Defensewins;1173161]John Riggins retired then returned to carry us to our first Super Bowl win.
The sky is not falling. Some of you folks are really upset because one unproven player is acting out. Big deal. Given what is happening here in Houston this seems small.
Maybe if people did not try to pressure Sua into coming back from injury before HE was ready, he might not be acting this way.[/quote]

Good points.

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A player contemplates retirement and all of a sudden one of the most respected talent evaluators in the game is a buffoon. Fans crack me up.

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Listening (or, really, reading) stuff about Cravens makes me wonder about his mental state; it just doesn't seem rational or terribly coherent, adding to the health concern, in my mind at least.

Switching gears, I had wondered whether the team might have considered Alex Boone (long time starter for the 49ers and just cut by the Vikings). He's 30, so not exactly injecting youth, but seems more established and solid at a position of need (G) as opposed to Clemmens who we just signed off of waivers (also from the Vikings) who plays T.

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[quote=MTK;1173163]A player contemplates retirement and all of a sudden one of the most respected talent evaluators in the game is a buffoon. Fans crack me up.[/quote]

Not a buffoon, just maybe he was overhyped. Too much Kool Aid for us at the time. I remember when people were singing the praises of Allen not too long ago in here. Besides hindsight is 20/20, and the fact is that draft didn't go so well. The whole getting "football guys" thing was just hype to give us fans hope, when in reality the guys acquired were truly second or third tier players. It worked for the most part(the hype). Thing is we are still getting scrubs for the D line problem.

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Didn't I see Cravens in an interview say he was excited to start playing safety like a football player he models himself after Sean Taylor? Maybe it was all BS. I understand retirement if you are scared of long term injury, but to be drafted in a high round play a season act excited about returning and wanting to leave right before week 1. Come on man!

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[quote=Giantone;1173156]I would argue that they "don't love football".My assessment is that they have put their priorities in place and football is not top of the list any more.Some people have an epiphany at the strangest times and [B]that little voice in your head tells you what to do[/B].[/quote]

So when are you going to listen to that little voice in your head telling you to stop fooling around with the Giants and become the full fledged Redskins fan, as you know deep down you want to be? Isn't it about time?

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[quote=calia;1173176]So when are you going to listen to that little voice in your head telling you to stop fooling around with the Giants and become the full fledged Redskins fan, as you know deep down you want to be? Isn't it about time?[/quote]
Too funny:D

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[quote=calia;1173176]So when are you going to listen to that little voice in your head telling you to stop fooling around with the Giants and become the full fledged Redskins fan, as you know deep down you want to be? Isn't it about time?[/quote]

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