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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1179145]Anthony Lanier’s didn’t show any tackles in the stats, but the pressure he provided was responsible for Wilson’s scrambles and Brown pursuing. I can wait to see Ionnadis, Lanier and Allen lined up. Hopefully Nsekhe comes back this week, they should let Williams rest and only use him as a backup or key games. Let him rest.[/quote]

I loved the defensive plan for Wilson. It was obvious that they were playing disciplined, push the line back into the face of Wilson, and make him spin and move around. They weren't going for the kill shot, they were making him wait and move, and trust the secondary. It was fun to watch.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1179146]New Orleans has an improved defense and their offense is out of this world. I don't expect our D to be able to shut down Drew Brees and Co. so the offense better be ready to produce more than two good drives.

However, the focus should be on Minnesota. I think their D might be tougher than Seattle's, and I think Xavier Rhodes may be one of, if not the, best corner in the league. I think and hope that our Defense can handle their offense.[/quote]

I’m going on a limb and say we have the best secondary in the league. Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Moreau, Nicholson, Hall,
Swearinger, Holsey. Plus the pressure from Kerrigan, Smith, Anderson and Gallette. If there is one player that will be fired up for NO, is Gallette.

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With all the injuries you really have to give a thumbs up to all of our coaches for getting all these players ready to play.

Oh, and the 12th man can kiss my a$$.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1179148]I’m going on a limb and say we have the best secondary in the league. Norman, Breeland, Fuller, Dunbar, Moreau, Nicholson, Hall,
Swearinger, Holsey. Plus the pressure from Kerrigan, Smith, Anderson and Gallette. If there is one player that will be fired up for NO, is Gallette.[/quote]

Agreed. I think other teams have top shutdown corners, but the DBs behind them are not that great. As a unit, I think we do have the best.

I can see it being a defensive battle next week, but I also like what the offense looked like at the end of the Seattle game. I think with a healthier line, we should be able to keep that up.

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1179149]With all the injuries you really have to give a thumbs up to all of our coaches for getting all these players ready to play.



Oh, and the 12th man can kiss my a$$.[/QUOTE]



Like I said, it is obvious the players like Gruden. One thing I have not seen in any game since Gruden got here is quit. That is huge. However he gets a big ole thumbs down for his bad play calling. Manusky has been nothing short of brilliant though.
That game was won with heart, grit, and determination. If we are going to go 6-2 down the stretch we need to make some major adjustments on the offense and obviously get our oline healthy.
We got two against the Giants, and the Broncos. Those should be W’s. This next game against Vikings is at home and could be a code red. Saints, Chargers, Cards not easy but all winnable games. Dallas on the road is going to he tough. Going into Seattle would have been considered one of our toughest games left though. 6-2 is doable folks. Can’t believe Im saying that.

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Not sure I understood complaints about Gruden, given the recent circumstances I think he’s doing a great job

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Arie Kouandjio....not bad back so far. Maybe he sticks around.

But that Tyler Catalia? is effing terrible. Really bad. Clemmings is tough to watch as well.

We need to Nseke or Silverblunt back bad...but Catalina cant be on the field anymore.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1179152]Not sure I understood complaints about Gruden, given the recent circumstances I think he’s doing a great job[/QUOTE]I can understand blaming him for some calls but definitely not kirk for his performance. Dude was running for his life all game

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1179153]Arie Kouandjio....not bad back so far. Maybe he sticks around.

But that Tyler Catalia? is effing terrible. Really bad. Clemmings is tough to watch as well.

We need to Nseke or Silverblunt back bad...but Catalina cant be on the field anymore.[/QUOTE]I bet Trent plays this week. Or Ty, one will.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1179155]I bet Trent plays this week. Or Ty, one will.

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Man, Minny Defensive front is better than Seattle's and that's saying a lot. We must get Schreff back as well.

Catalina cant be on the field next week...no way.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1179153]Arie Kouandjio....not bad back so far. Maybe he sticks around.

But that Tyler Catalia? is effing terrible. Really bad. Clemmings is tough to watch as well.

We need to Nseke or Silverblunt back bad...but Catalina cant be on the field anymore.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think TJ Clemmings hurt us even more than Catalina though. He got beat so many times. And without any moves or anything sometimes. Just not blocking well.

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[quote=Chico23231;1179153]Arie Kouandjio....not bad back so far. Maybe he sticks around.

But that Tyler Catalia? is effing terrible. Really bad. Clemmings is tough to watch as well.

We need to Nseke or Silverblunt back bad...but Catalina cant be on the field anymore.[/quote]

I believe Catalina was the reason for the safety. He stayed on his block too long and never saw the delay blitz by the LB that was right in front of him. Hopefully Nseke is ready next week. We can't roll with this group and expect to beat another good team.

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[quote=MTK;1179152]Not sure I understood complaints about Gruden, given the recent circumstances I think he’s doing a great job[/quote]

I think playcalling and clock management is always something that can be debated. What can't be debated is how hard these guys are playing. That means a lot. Not the case up in NY.

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On the throw to Doctson on the game wining drive, Cooley sd Gurden called 4 verts and that he thought Jay knew Seattle would take away the check down and that would force Kirk to throw it long and take a chance.

Gruden, callahan, manunsky .. all deserve a ton of credit for game plan and working with what you have.

D game plan was beautiful.

Hard to tell from TV feed, but I think Josh Norman is a huge difference maker on this D in terms of what we can call, stay aggressive up front trusting the secondary.

Get healthy boys

Big shout out to Vernon effing Davis. Ballin out there. I was wondering where the screens are to CT, im guessing these new guys are getting coached and asked to do the basics and no way we can ask them to try and get outside and down field to block.

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[quote=punch it in;1179151]Like I said, it is obvious the players like Gruden. One thing I have not seen in any game since Gruden got here is quit. That is huge. However he gets a big ole thumbs down for his bad play calling. Manusky has been nothing short of brilliant though.
That game was won with heart, grit, and determination. If we are going to go 6-2 down the stretch we need to make some major adjustments on the offense and obviously get our oline healthy.
We got two against the Giants, and the Broncos. Those should be W’s. This next game against Vikings is at home and could be a code red. Saints, Chargers, Cards not easy but all winnable games. Dallas on the road is going to he tough. Going into Seattle would have been considered one of our toughest games left though. 6-2 is doable folks. Can’t believe Im saying that.[/quote]

The first game of the year against the Eagles I was not too happy with the play calling. Gruden seemed to adjust his paly calling after that game and was mixing things up. I think with our injuries on the on line he was trying to keep things simple. When you start rolling out you then start asking your lineman to do more which he probably (for good reason) is not comfortable asking them to make those plays.

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I still say we are an 8-8 team with the possibility of 9-7.

To win 10 we will have to go 6-2 and we still have a tough schedule ahead, it is possible but I'd be willing to say 5-3 at best.

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[quote=over the mountain;1179162]On the throw to Doctson on the game wining drive, Cooley sd Gurden called 4 verts and that he thought Jay knew Seattle would take away the check down and that would force Kirk to throw it long and take a chance.

Gruden, callahan, manunsky .. all deserve a ton of credit for game plan and working with what you have.

D game plan was beautiful.

Hard to tell from TV feed, but I think Josh Norman is a huge difference maker on this D in terms of what we can call, stay aggressive up front trusting the secondary.

Get healthy boys


Big shout out to Vernon effing Davis. Ballin out there. I was wondering where the screens are to CT, im guessing these new guys are getting coached and asked to do the basics and no way we can ask them to try and get outside and down field to block.[/quote]


Last week Norman shut down Dez so bad that Dak wouldn't even look his way, after some plays Dez was clearly mad at Dak but I'm sure the tV feed didn't show that. Josh is the best FA pickup we have ever had

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After yesterday’s game the confidence of this team is through the roof, to beat Seattle with 4 replacement OL, no starting TE, WR, DL, etc. This is the game we have been waiting for, the point were a team realizes we are fucking good. Barring any more injuries and getting players back will make this team stronger and better. I don’t see 8-8, I see more they smell blood and are going to kick ass!!!!!!!!

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[quote=MTK;1179152]Not sure I understood complaints about Gruden, given the recent circumstances I think he’s doing a great job[/quote]

My only problem with Gruden is that he knew his OL was weak, so he needed to run plays to mask that weakness. (rollouts/screen plays/3 step drop pass/etc)

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This is exactly what I’m talking about:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34145/after-comeback-win-d-j-swearinger-says-redskins-can-be-a-dominant-team]D.J. Swearinger says Redskins can be 'a dominant team' - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1179173]This is exactly what I’m talking about:

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34145/after-comeback-win-d-j-swearinger-says-redskins-can-be-a-dominant-team]D.J. Swearinger says Redskins can be 'a dominant team' - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url][/quote]

dilly dilly!

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[quote=Chico23231;1179174]dilly dilly![/quote]

Send all our opponents to the pit of misery!!

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[quote=NC_Skins;1179172]My only problem with Gruden is that he knew his OL was weak, so he needed to run plays to mask that weakness. (rollouts/screen plays/3 step drop pass/etc)[/quote]

Gruden most likely does not have a moving pocket in his playbook. I have yet to see one since he's been here.

It looked like Seattle was sitting on that screen to Thompson when they split him out wide. But a regular screen would have been good, as well as some more quick stuff.

Did not like to drop back pass on the goaline when Kirk was sacked for a safety. He has to know that the line may not hold up there and they didn't.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1179183]Gruden most likely does not have a moving pocket in his playbook. I have yet to see one since he's been here.

It looked like Seattle was sitting on that screen to Thompson when they split him out wide. But a regular screen would have been good, as well as some more quick stuff.[/quote]

I don’t know, Wagner their LB was all over and stoned Thompson a few times.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1179158]I believe Catalina was the reason for the safety. He stayed on his block too long and never saw the delay blitz by the LB that was right in front of him. Hopefully Nseke is ready next week. We can't roll with this group and expect to beat another good team.[/QUOTE]Have to check but 99% sure that was Clemmings on the safety.
But Catalina played really really bad too.

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As long as we get our guys back and we don't have anymore big injuries, we will compete for the WC

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1179163]The first game of the year against the Eagles I was not too happy with the play calling. Gruden seemed to adjust his paly calling after that game and was mixing things up. I think with our injuries on the on line he was trying to keep things simple. When you start rolling out you then start asking your lineman to do more which he probably (for good reason) is not comfortable asking them to make those plays.[/QUOTE]



Imo Grudens playcalling has been an issue since he got here. There have been a couple games where I thought he “got it” but only to be followed up by a game full of head scratching moments. I agree though with the current situation injuries are limiting his options.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/06/clock-error-set-up-seahawks-hail-mary/]Clock error set up Seahawks’ Hail Mary – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Refs fucked up the clock on the last play and they probably shouldn’t have gotten the Hail Mary off.

FFS, why do we have multiple refs on the field, a replay booth with assisting officials and then a official rules tv analyst who can’t seem to do their fucking job ever or even have an inkling of what is the right call is? This seems to be a continuous fucking issue?

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[quote=Chico23231;1179191][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/06/clock-error-set-up-seahawks-hail-mary/]Clock error set up Seahawks’ Hail Mary – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Refs fucked up the clock on the last play and they probably shouldn’t have gotten the Hail Mary off.

FFS, why do we have multiple refs on the field, a replay booth with assisting officials and then a official rules tv analyst who can’t seem to do their fucking job ever or even have an inkling of what is the right call is? This seems to be a continuous fucking issue?[/quote]

Inexcusable.

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Sounds like it was the clock operator's fault. No harm no foul, but yeah we definitely would have been screwed if that was a td catch.

I noticed the booth announcers were screwing up calls like that all game. First by showing Scherff in uniform at the start and implying he had started and had to leave the game because he got reinjured, then at the end when they called it an incomplete pass instead of down by contact. And the refs got the call correct on the field too, it never should've been a clock stoppage.

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If Hall doesn't play another down the rest of the season, his season was a success breaking up that hail mary. I hate Seattle, that would have been devastating.

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[quote=mooby;1179193]Sounds like it was the clock operator's fault. No harm no foul, but yeah we definitely would have been screwed if that was a td catch.

I noticed the booth announcers were screwing up calls like that all game. First by showing Scherff in uniform at the start and implying he had started and had to leave the game because he got reinjured, then at the end when they called it an incomplete pass instead of down by contact. And the refs got the call correct on the field too, it never should've been a clock stoppage.[/quote]

But isn’t replay is too first determine the rule of the play and then to properly spot the ball...lastly to determine the time clock?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1179195]But isn’t replay is too first determine the rule of the play and then to properly spot the ball...lastly to determine the time clock?[/QUOTE]Much like they let a lot of the turnovers play thru to the end, clock operators should err toward a running clock. You can always add back time. You can't take take away executed plays thru replay.

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Throw Doctson the rock! He's exciting.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1179185]Have to check but 99% sure that was Clemmings on the safety.
But Catalina played really really bad too.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1179139] [...]
Question mark:

Hall. He had a really good game but wasn't he playing free safety responsible for the deep zone on the Baldwin TD were Norman got beaten?[/QUOTE]

Have to wait for his film breakdown, but Cooley did said Hall appears to have blown coverage on the Baldwin TD.



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[quote=FrenchSkin;1179199]Have to wait for his film breakdown, but Cooley did said Hall appears to have blown coverage on the Baldwin TD.



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well you could see on the replay that Norman totally whiffed on his jam and Baldwin went right by him. Not sure if he was expecting help or not but it sounded like Norman took the blame himself.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1179198]Checked. Definitely Clemmings on the safety. Bad vision.

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I blame Gruden for the play call. He has to know that his line is already weak and is going to have some mental errors, so don't call a drop back that close to the goaline. He could or should have called a play action or had Cousins on the move there.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1179202]I blame Gruden for the play call. He has to know that his line is already weak and is going to have some mental errors, so don't call a drop back that close to the goaline. He could or should have called a play action or had Cousins on the move there.[/quote]

We should be putting the ball in someone gut to run power or off tackle against an aggressive front...which hit our QB 19 times on drop backs which resulted in 6 sacks.

But we cant even do that because Pissrine is fumbling the handoff.

We need to work on the Running game or simply start CT. Put a threat back so at least the defense has to be distracted by his presence.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1179201]well you could see on the replay that Norman totally whiffed on his jam and Baldwin went right by him. Not sure if he was expecting help or not but it sounded like Norman took the blame himself.[/QUOTE]Yeah yeah Norman whiffed but it appears Hall was supposed to provide safety help and blew it. Double whiffing. ..

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