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Fun fact from Reddit: With today's loss, this marks the 26th consecutive year the Redskins won't win at least 11 games. Every other team in the NFL has done it at least once.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1180488]Jay called in a play for the bubble screen. Kirk checked to crowder for a bubble screen, and Crowder didn't get the check. He didn't know the play call. Kirk threw to where Crowder should have been.[/quote]

Wrong.

From KC post game interview:

"We had a run play called, and based on the defensive look they were giving, it was gonna be a tough run to get, and we were probably gonna get stuffed and have to clock it and hope for the best for the field goal,"



"I looked over to the sideline out of the corner of my eye and saw the coaches saying, 'Throw it,' and they wanted, potentially, an audible, get to an actual pass play," he continued. "I thought they were saying if you just throw it by Jamison [Crowder], in the general area of Jamison, there's an eligible [receiver] in the area and there's no penalty."

Lets be clear on this, KC did not call an audible.
He did not run the play that was called which was a run.
He did not audible to a pass which he said he thought that's what the coaches wanted.
He chose option C and threw the ball on a play when his 10 teammates are expecting a run.
This is a mental fuckup on the level of Chris Webber and Leon Lett.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1180533]Fun fact from Reddit: With today's loss, this marks the 26th consecutive year the Redskins won't win at least 11 games. Every other team in the NFL has done it at least once.[/QUOTE]Sad. I was a damn small child fml

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1180530]I said as interim. Of course he is not the long term answer.[/QUOTE]If he can't handle the 2minute defense he shouldn't be given even an interim job.

What I really want to see is if Gruden can put away any of these teams coming up. We should beat all of them by comfortable margins.

Losing, even in the most gut wrenching fashion to the one of the top 3 teams in the league just isn't worth throwing out the head coach.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180535]Sad. I was a damn small child fml

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3 years old too bruh. Right there with you.

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[quote=jamf;1180534]Wrong.

From KC post game interview:

"We had a run play called, and based on the defensive look they were giving, it was gonna be a tough run to get, and we were probably gonna get stuffed and have to clock it and hope for the best for the field goal,"



"I looked over to the sideline out of the corner of my eye and saw the coaches saying, 'Throw it,' and they wanted, potentially, an audible, get to an actual pass play," he continued. "I thought they were saying if you just throw it by Jamison [Crowder], in the general area of Jamison, there's an eligible [receiver] in the area and there's no penalty."

Lets be clear on this, KC did not call an audible.
He did not run the play that was called which was a run.
He did not audible to a pass which he said he thought that's what the coaches wanted.
He chose option C and threw the ball on a play when his 10 teammates are expecting a run.
This is a mental fuckup on the level of Chris Webber and Leon Lett.[/quote]

Fuckin terrible by Cousins. Cost us a chance at a win. Unacceptable from a vet qb

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[quote=jamf;1180534]Wrong.

From KC post game interview:

"We had a run play called, and based on the defensive look they were giving, it was gonna be a tough run to get, and we were probably gonna get stuffed and have to clock it and hope for the best for the field goal,"



"I looked over to the sideline out of the corner of my eye and saw the coaches saying, 'Throw it,' and they wanted, potentially, an audible, get to an actual pass play," he continued. "I thought they were saying if you just throw it by Jamison [Crowder], in the general area of Jamison, there's an eligible [receiver] in the area and there's no penalty."

Lets be clear on this, KC did not call an audible.
He did not run the play that was called which was a run.
He did not audible to a pass which he said he thought that's what the coaches wanted.
He chose option C and threw the ball on a play when his 10 teammates are expecting a run.
This is a mental fuckup on the level of Chris Webber and Leon Lett.[/quote]

I put equal blame on Kirk and the staff for the miscommunication. You should know on the road with a loud crowd that speaking clearly is gonna be hard. Have a backup plan or signal so you don't need words.

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[quote=jamf;1180534]Wrong.

From KC post game interview:

"We had a run play called, and based on the defensive look they were giving, it was gonna be a tough run to get, and we were probably gonna get stuffed and have to clock it and hope for the best for the field goal,"



"I looked over to the sideline out of the corner of my eye and saw the coaches saying, 'Throw it,' and they wanted, potentially, an audible, get to an actual pass play," he continued. "I thought they were saying if you just throw it by Jamison [Crowder], in the general area of Jamison, there's an eligible [receiver] in the area and there's no penalty."

Lets be clear on this, KC did not call an audible.
He did not run the play that was called which was a run.
He did not audible to a pass which he said he thought that's what the coaches wanted.
He chose option C and threw the ball on a play when his 10 teammates are expecting a run.
This is a mental fuckup on the level of Chris Webber and Leon Lett.[/quote]

Are you really going to come on here and blame this game on Cousins? I just can't get over that. He may or may not have screwed up that play but so fucking what? He dropped numerous dimes all day, the o gave that high school defense a 15 point lead w/ like 5:00 to play. I don't give a damn what happened on that play, it should have never even come down to that if we have someone that could make a stop.

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"I thought they were saying if you just throw it by Jamison [Crowder], in the general area of Jamison, there's an eligible [receiver] in the area and there's no penalty."

Well what the fuck didn't you throw it near him for? You threw it towards no one. Ugh.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180542]"I thought they were saying if you just throw it by Jamison [Crowder], in the general area of Jamison, there's an eligible [receiver] in the area and there's no penalty."

Well what the fuck didn't you throw it near him for? You threw it towards no one. Ugh.[/quote]

Because he executed it like a timing play. He didn't look over there, just threw the ball expecting a receiver to be near. Those plays exist.

Bad call by Kirk and the coaching staff imo, but the game never should've come to that. That's on the d.

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Cousins does do some dumb ass stuff. His brain turns to much quite often at the end of halfs. That was a monumental fuck up based on above post.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1180531]I'm kind of tired of the Snyder bashing. Yes he and Allen aren't the best people to work for but what did that have to do w/ the loss today? That prevent defense that sucked shit had nothing to do with the owner and his bitch boy.[/QUOTE]


Definitely gets tiring to hear about it after every loss. We had our chances to win, the front office didn’t blow this game.

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Our D and O sucks ass in the crucial moments of games. Both cave big time, Seattle was just luck they missed 3 fgs. We are what we are and that's a very avg and Injured team

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[quote=mooby;1180543]Because he executed it like a timing play. He didn't look over there, just threw the ball expecting a receiver to be near. Those plays exist.

Bad call by Kirk and the coaching staff imo, but the game never should've come to that. That's on the d.[/quote]

If it was a run play why would he expect crowder to be wandering around over there blocking no one? If the guy has no idea what you're doing maybe look before you chuck it. Stupid freaking decision. Call a damn audible or run the original play.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1180546]Our D and O sucks ass in the crucial moments of games. Both cave big time, Seattle was just luck they missed 3 fgs. We are what we are and that's a very avg and Injured team

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Have you ever thought that Minnesota and NO have some pretty good OL’s? Look what the vikings did to the rams today, dominated them. Our OL is missing 2
Starters, a 1/2 player at LT, D is missing Allen, Foster, Nicholson (early in the game), Ionnadis has one hand and Zack Brown is not himself (playing hurt). Those are two good teams we played and
Yes they fucked up.

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[B]BJL1906‏ @Big_John_1906

Kirk is a very good QB. Jay is a very good HC. Great QBs don't make killer mental errors. Great coaches know when to avoid something that their teams do poorly. Neither are great so 9-7 is the perennial ceiling[/B]


Sums it up nicely about the situation.

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Gruden was actually calling an excellent game up until the final two minutes...he stupidly called a third straight running play on 3rd and short knowing the Saints defense was looking for the run.... instead of calling a QB sneak....had he told Cousins to keep it the Saints would not have gotten the football back..... Gruden is incompetent as hell...

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[quote=skinsfan69;1180541]Are you really going to come on here and blame this game on Cousins? I just can't get over that. He may or may not have screwed up that play but so fucking what? He dropped numerous dimes all day, the o gave that high school defense a 15 point lead w/ like 5:00 to play. I don't give a damn what happened on that play, it should have never even come down to that if we have someone that could make a stop.[/quote]

Do I blame him for losing the game? No

Do I blame him for not winning the game? Yes

He is the QB of the team, the pressure is on him but unfortunately he comes up with the mental version of the butt fumble.

On the biggest fucking play of the game (at the time) he makes a negative play that cost us yards and time.
Also, after the penalty he did not have the team ready for the next play and wasted 1/3 of the total time we had left.

Double fuck up!

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On to blaming Gruden!

F this bum as well.
He comes out and targets Doctson with success early on. Their best corner goes out and we don’t throw to him again? Wtf

Gruden is too nice. Likes the players too much. Someone needed to cut Hall in the offseason. He is too broken down.

Grudens player rotation sucks. Running backs need carries. Slitting carries between 3 backs doesn’t work. Force the ball to your best players. Doctson needs 10-15 targets a game.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1180536]If he can't handle the 2minute defense he shouldn't be given even an interim job.

What I really want to see is if Gruden can put away any of these teams coming up. We should beat all of them by comfortable margins.

Losing, even in the most gut wrenching fashion to the one of the top 3 teams in the league just isn't worth throwing out the head coach.[/QUOTE]



Comfortably might be pushing it. Lol. It isn’t all about today. Today was just the straw that broke the camels back imo. He made at-least 3-4 calls down the stretch and in OT that were just wrong. Not in retrospect, but in any spect. It is a recurring pattern for him. Getting away from things that work. Being cute when you do not have to be. Making things more difficult than they have to be. I do not think he will be fired during the season just because it doesn’t happen often. I can say comfortably that if we do not make the playoffs he will be fired in the off season. You know Danny boy is as pissed off as we are. This one was just unimaginable.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1180541]Are you really going to come on here and blame this game on Cousins? I just can't get over that. He may or may not have screwed up that play but so fucking what? He dropped numerous dimes all day, the o gave that high school defense a 15 point lead w/ like 5:00 to play. I don't give a damn what happened on that play, it should have never even come down to that if we have someone that could make a stop.[/QUOTE]



This is so true. It never, ever, ever, ever, ever should have been an issue IF, and that is a big if, Gruden calls a better play on third and nothing. Or if the D does not turn into absolute pussies before our very eyes. Or if our special teams didn’t go full spaz. Im not excusing KC in that moment. I am really not. But it shouldn’t even matter.

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[quote=jamf;1180554]On to blaming Gruden!

F this bum as well.
He comes out and targets Doctson with success early on. Their best corner goes out and we don’t throw to him again? Wtf

Gruden is too nice. Likes the players too much. Someone needed to cut Hall in the offseason. He is too broken down.

Grudens player rotation sucks. Running backs need carries. Slitting carries between 3 backs doesn’t work. Force the ball to your best players. Doctson needs 10-15 targets a game.[/quote]

I can agree w/ this. However we were moving the ball and scoring. So even though Doc disappeared which is total BS, other guys were making plays.

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[quote=jamf;1180553]Do I blame him for losing the game? No

Do I blame him for not winning the game? Yes

He is the QB of the team, the pressure is on him but unfortunately he comes up with the mental version of the butt fumble.

[B]On the biggest fucking play of the game (at the time) he makes a negative play that cost us yards and time.
Also, after the penalty he did not have the team ready for the next play and wasted 1/3 of the total time we had left. [/B]

Double fuck up![/quote]

I can name numerous other big plays that were fuck ups. I can name about 20 on defense but you want to blame one on the QB that kept you in the game and gave you a 15 point lead? Ok whatever... Personally Gruden just should have let the play go and not said anything to the QB... and get a few more yards for the kicker. You're already in FG range and they have no TO's. No need to do anything expect get a few more yards for your kicker.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180547]If it was a run play why would he expect crowder to be wandering around over there blocking no one? If the guy has no idea what you're doing maybe look before you chuck it. Stupid freaking decision. Call a damn audible or run the original play.[/quote]

They didn't call an audible because it was too loud. Original play was bad because they had stacked the line for a run. It was a miscommunication, Kirk saw the coaches mouthing to throw it, but it was too loud for everybody to hear the audible. Kirk thought Crowder would be in the area, so he could get away with throwing it and no intentional grouding. Obviously it was a comms error.

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That is true but you need a work horse at Wr you can go to on critical plays. Garçon was this guy. Jordan Reed was this guy.
On 3rd downs, they don’t trust anyone.
We can’t run a god damn slant on 3rd downs.
Wtf how does Gruden overlook this simple yet effective route?

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[quote=jamf;1180563]That is true but you need a work horse at Wr you can go to on critical plays. Garçon was this guy. Jordan Reed was this guy.
On 3rd downs, they don’t trust anyone.
We can’t run a god damn slant on 3rd downs.
Wtf how does Gruden overlook this simple yet effective route?[/quote]

Kirk probably doesn't trust our wideouts to run it. Not that I blame him. Maybe they run it in practice and they can't even do it right so Gruden doesn't call it in games. Idk. But yeah, our plan to replace a guy like Garcon as our clutch 3rd down go-to guy obviously didn't pan out. Reed being injured all the time doesn't help either. And CT25 was good but obviously isn't a threat every third down, and now he's done for the year. Skins definitely need that 3rd down guy.

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[quote=mooby;1180561]They didn't call an audible because it was too loud. Original play was bad because they had stacked the line for a run. It was a miscommunication, Kirk saw the coaches mouthing to throw it, but it was too loud for everybody to hear the audible. Kirk thought Crowder would be in the area, so he could get away with throwing it and no intentional grouding. Obviously it was a comms error.[/quote]

Even with the miscommunication the refs totally blew it. That is not grounding by the rules. The refs blew that call horribly.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1180462]I blame both coaching and the QB. Sometimes you have numbers that do not reflect reality. The box score does not tell the story with the Redskins. Kirk looks better on paper than he is in real life, he puts up meaningless stats in loses. When the game is on the line he makes fatal mistakes. The Skins aren't winning anything of significance with him or Gruden, time to start over. How many games do top NFL QBs or coaches lose up 15 with 3min to go? Answer, none.[/quote]Actually, this meltdown was much like Atlanta's in last year's Super Bowl. Now I have a small idea how their fans feel, but doing that in the Super Bowl is so much worse. This just ends playoff hopes for a mediocre, inconsistent team.

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If Gruden called a QB sneak there is a 99% chance we're all having a completely different conversation. But once again he failed. Hell I would have tried a QB sneak on 4th down too if needed knowing how Manusky is just as incompetent as he is. Our HC, OC, and DC all suck.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1180568]Even with the miscommunication the refs totally blew it. That is not grounding by the rules. The refs blew that call horribly.[/quote]

Refs said it's the Redskins, the media will cover it up and the NFL won't care, let's call it.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180570]If Gruden called a QB sneak there is a 99% chance we're all having a completely different conversation. But once again he failed. Hell I would have tried a QB sneak on 4th down too if needed knowing how Manusky is just as incompetent as he is. Our HC, OC, and DC all suck.[/quote]

Idk maing, look at our history this year with qb sneaks. Honestly probably would've been a 50/50 prop given how they stacked the line.

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In the spirit of misery, is it better to get blown out by your rival on national tv ala the Cowboys or to blow a 15 point lead with 5 minutes left?

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[quote=mooby;1180574]In the spirit of misery, is it better to get blown out by your rival on national tv ala the Cowboys or to blow a 15 point lead with 5 minutes left?[/quote]

Edit - our loss was worse than the Cowboys loss.

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[quote=mooby;1180573]Idk maing, look at our history this year with qb sneaks. Honestly probably would've been a 50/50 prop given how they stacked the line.[/quote]

QB sneak works better against that than the hour long counter he called. Should have been qb sneak or Perrine on a quick hitter right into the pile. He called the worst possible play.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180570]If Gruden called a QB sneak there is a 99% chance we're all having a completely different conversation. But once again he failed. Hell I would have tried a QB sneak on 4th down too if needed knowing how Manusky is just as incompetent as he is. Our HC, OC, and DC all suck.[/quote]You're forgetting our ST coach. They all suck and all units make dumb mistakes that lead to losses.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1180577]You're forgetting our ST coach. They all suck and all units make dumb mistakes that lead to losses.[/quote]

It's so bad I don't even think we currently have a special teams coach.

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Too late for this, screwed again.

[B]Mike Jones wrote:

This won't really make you feel better, #Redskins fans. But two league sources say the League contacted Bruce Allen to tell him that Cousins intentional grounding call was incorrect and shouldn't have been a penalty.[/B]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1180580]Too late for this, screwed again.

[B]Mike Jones wrote:

This won't really make you feel better, #Redskins fans. But two league sources say the League contacted Bruce Allen to tell him that Cousins intentional grounding call was incorrect and shouldn't have been a penalty.[/B][/quote]

So cool when I know a rule, but the fucking referees who get paid to know, don't and screw us. This type of fuck up is unacceptable. Such horse shit. They fucked us.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1180582]So cool when I know a rule, but the fucking referees who get paid to know, don't and screw us. This type of fuck up is unacceptable. Such horse shit. They fucked us.[/quote]

10’seconds and 10 yards, they listened to Payton’s whining instead of making the right call. Refs suck and I can’t stand Sean Payton (fucking punk).

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1180580]Too late for this, screwed again.



[B]Mike Jones wrote:



This won't really make you feel better, #Redskins fans. But two league sources say the League contacted Bruce Allen to tell him that Cousins intentional grounding call was incorrect and shouldn't have been a penalty.[/B][/QUOTE]



Fuck Bruce Allen, he can go pretend to know what the fuck he is doing somewhere else. Fuck blaming the refs and that one play on the biggest pussy meltdown in the sorry ass history of this jerkoff team owned by captain jerkoff Jay Gruden should be writing a letter to the fan base right now asking for forgiveness for being the biggest dipshit to ever stand on our sidelines. And there have been alot of dipshits on our sidelines.