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The Vikings are stupid if that amount of money is accurate. He'll never ever live up to that contract. The smart thing to do is resign Keenum and try and keep that chemistry they had going. The next best thing in free agency rarely works. History proves that.

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That review of Cousins that CRed posted is the best thing I've ever read on him. It summarizes him absolutely perfectly, breaking down all the reasons why he's good, and breaking down all the reasons why he doesn't elevate the team around him to greater things.

What an excellent piece. It leaves the reader pondering the ultimate question: if you're the Vikings, is it worth it to make him the highest paid player in the NFL, given the short supply of quality quarterbacks?

Wonderfully written and well thought out. Thanks CRed for posting that.

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Tomorrow....

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[quote=Schneed10;1189772]That review of Cousins that CRed posted is the best thing I've ever read on him. It summarizes him absolutely perfectly, breaking down all the reasons why he's good, and breaking down all the reasons why he doesn't elevate the team around him to greater things.

What an excellent piece. It leaves the reader pondering the ultimate question: if you're the Vikings, is it worth it to make him the highest paid player in the NFL, given the short supply of quality quarterbacks?

Wonderfully written and well thought out. Thanks CRed for posting that.[/quote]

I think from the Vikings' stand point, it is worth it if you feel this will get you over the playoffs hump.

And if you are in a win-now mode, you don't care what happens 3 or 4 years down the road when you cannot afford an elite defense, your other skills players become expensive, and you have an above average QB that cannot carry the team on his back.

But if this means potentially winning it all within the next yer or two, then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.

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[quote=MTK;1189736]So how isn’t all this noise considered tampering?? Clearly teams and players are talking[/quote]

Yeah It's called the NFL gives zero fucks about the skins. If that was the steelers u would see an uproar

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189754]That's a real good point actually.[/quote]


LOL, well that shoots down the rest of March for me,I usually only have one a month,maybe.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1189778]I think from the Vikings' stand point, it is worth it if you feel this will get you over the playoffs hump.



And if you are in a win-now mode, you don't care what happens 3 or 4 years down the road when you cannot afford an elite defense, your other skills players become expensive, and you have an above average QB that cannot carry the team on his back.



But if this means potentially winning it all within the next yer or two, then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.[/QUOTE]


I agree. Like I said earlier, if you’re the Vikings you push all your chips to the middle of the table and go for it.

You don’t put the next couple years of golden opportunities in the hands of a discounted journeyman. Pay Kirk and take your best shot.

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A shame that April Fools is 3 1/2 weeks away. a 3 pm Franchise Tag announcement would have rocked the NFL!

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[quote=MTK;1189786]I agree. Like I said earlier, if you’re the Vikings you push all your chips to the middle of the table and go for it.

You don’t put the next couple years of golden opportunities in the hands of a discounted journeyman. [B]Pay Kirk and take your best shot.[/B][/quote]

I agree and I probably would if I were Minnesota. [I]But is it enough[/I]?

Is Kirk that guy? If he goes to Minnesota we'll all get to find out. If he goes to the Jets, we won't. lol

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[quote=Schneed10;1189793]I agree and I probably would if I were Minnesota. [I]But is it enough[/I]?

Is Kirk that guy? If he goes to Minnesota we'll all get to find out. If he goes to the Jets, we won't. lol[/quote]

I want him to go to Minnesota and fail miserably.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1189734]For those who want to see a very thorough breakdown of KC, from a Vikings fan perspective, this is really good.

[url]https://vikingsterritory.com/2018/analysis/150-million-question-kirk-cousins-worth[/url]

I really was curious what Jets/Broncos/Vikings fans are saying.[/quote]

Seeing all those fucking sacks and fumbles he took makes me cringe. His pocket awareness and ball security was terrible.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1189793]I agree and I probably would if I were Minnesota. [I]But is it enough[/I]?



Is Kirk that guy? If he goes to Minnesota we'll all get to find out. If he goes to the Jets, we won't. lol[/QUOTE]


Who knows but we do know that Keenum wasn’t enough this year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1189798]I want him to go to Minnesota and fail miserably.[/quote]

If he goes to the Vikings it will be a classic letdown free agency signing. Free agency doesn't work for the most part because you have some many variables...new city, new teammates, new coordinator, new scheme, massive contract and lofty expectations. Kirk just doesn't have the command and dominant personality like Manning or Brees does where he can walk on another team and start fast.

I also don't believe that the Vikings w/ Zimmer as the HC, and being a defense first team, is going to offer Cousins 30 million a year.

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[quote=MTK;1189802]Who knows but we do know that Keenum wasn’t enough this year.[/quote]

He was damn close. If Cousins started for the Vikings against the Eagles the outcome would have been the same.

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The main question is do you roll with the journeyman or take a chance on the top QB available with a loaded roster that's ready to win now? Pretty obvious answer in my book.

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[quote=MTK;1189802]Who knows but we do know that Keenum wasn’t enough this year.[/quote]

True and great point.

But what I fear deep down is nothing is good enough to beat Philly.

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[quote=Schneed10;1189807]True and great point.

But what I fear deep down is nothing is good enough to beat Philly.[/quote]

I really cannot even begin to give credit to philly. I just can't. I do not think they're that good. I think they were very lucky down the stretch and, sadly, very well coached. That's it. And with a season of film on them now I expect a drop off and I hope I'm right.

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[quote=Meks;1189810]I really cannot even begin to give credit to philly. I just can't. I do not think they're that good. I think they were very lucky down the stretch and, sadly, very well coached. That's it. And with a season of film on them now I expect a drop off and I hope I'm right.[/quote]

It's the front four that's so difficult. When Cox is healthy he's a game wrecker. If you can control the front 4 then the secondary can be exposed. That's just way easier said than done though.

But I share your hope. For me, the losses of Frank Reich and John DeFilippo have to mean something. I wonder if they can collectively coach as well without those two guys around.

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Philly just won it all with their backup QB and people don’t want to give them their due? Come on know it’s a division rival but let’s not be ridiculous, they were extremely legit last year

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[quote=Meks;1189810]I really cannot even begin to give credit to philly. I just can't. I do not think they're that good. I think they were very lucky down the stretch and, sadly, very well coached. That's it. And with a season of film on them now I expect a drop off and I hope I'm right.[/quote]

To say that after 16 regular season games which they dominated and the playoffs which they concluded by dominating their AFC Super Bowl opponent from start to finish behind their backup QB that the Eagles were not legit is to ignore the facts and replace them with your emotions.

I believe that every Super Bowl winner is the best team that season. That's why they are called The Champions. Bill Parcells famously said, "You are what your record says you are" and I believe that wholeheartedly.

As for the future, I believe they have an elite starting QB, an outstanding GM, and a potentially great HC, so how bad could they possibly be? No, they'll be contenders in 2018. They will simply re-load and go back to work.

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D HALL speaking of our former QB that one guy number 8.

“We kind of felt like the commitment wasn’t there from Kirk,” Hall said, via the Washington Post. “We obviously wanted Kirk. We franchised him because we wanted him there. It was up to ownership and the front office to kind of work those numbers out. They couldn’t get the numbers worked out, so he signed franchise tags those two football seasons. Everybody in that locker room was behind Kirk, wanted him there, but we wanted to feel like he wanted to be there as well. Having played 14 years, I understand, ‘Let’s go get the money,’ but at some point there has to be mutual interest from both parties to want to get better collectively as a team. Paying Kirk probably the $30 million he’s going to get, we couldn’t do that and get better as a football team.”



“I felt like some of the offers that we heard about — just being players in the locker room, you kind of hear whispers,” Hall said. “Some of the offers we felt like we heard, we were like, ‘Man, that’s a good deal. Why wouldn’t Kirk take it?’ So, we kind of did a lot of talking among ourselves, and it was just a feel. He never said anything. He never walked around like, ‘Man, why am I here?’ It was never anything like that. Kirk, from the moment he got in that locker room, he was nothing but a professional. He went about his business.”

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1189819]To say that after 16 regular season games which they dominated and the playoffs which they concluded by dominating their AFC Super Bowl opponent from start to finish behind their backup QB that the Eagles were not legit is to ignore the facts and replace them with your emotions.



I believe that every Super Bowl winner is the best team that season. That's why they are called The Champions. Bill Parcells famously said, "You are what your record says you are" and I believe that wholeheartedly.



As for the future, I believe they have an elite starting QB, an outstanding GM, and a potentially great HC, so how bad could they possibly be? No, they'll be contenders in 2018. They will simply re-load and go back to work.[/QUOTE]


The main issue for them right now is they’re tight against the cap, but they still have a strong roster. They may drop off a little this year, it’s natural for a SB champ to come back down to earth a little, but they’re still the easy favorite in the division

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[quote=Meks;1189810]I really cannot even begin to give credit to philly. I just can't. I do not think they're that good. I think they were very lucky down the stretch and, sadly, very well coached. That's it. And with a season of film on them now I expect a drop off and I hope I'm right.[/quote]

Name one Super Bowl team that has not been lucky at one time or another?

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[quote=MTK;1189823]The main issue for them right now is they’re tight against the cap, but they still have a strong roster. They may drop off a little this year, it’s natural for a SB champ to come back down to earth a little, but they’re still the easy favorite in the division[/quote]

Agree. That cap situation makes retaining some of their depth guys pretty darn difficult. For example their TE2 behind Ertz, Trey Burton. He's a free agent and was pretty clutch for them in certain situations. They can't afford to keep him at all, though they would love to.

They'll have to replace departing guys like that via the draft. Drafting has not been Roseman's strength. The hope would be their depth whittles away while they're stuck with some high dollar contracts.

They could also make some tough decisions on high priced vets. Like should they keep Jason Peters? They could save a lot of cap space by parting ways. But that's not an easy guy to replace. Vaitai did well enough last year, but do you want him starting? And if you do, who will be the depth guy behind him?

We just have to root for Roseman to F up the draft, then they'll fall back to Earth.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1189827]Name one Super Bowl team that has not been lucky at one time or another?[/QUOTE]


Of course there’s a luck element but you also have to be a good team, when was the last bad team that somehow lucked themselves into a SB win?

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[quote=MTK;1189829]Of course there’s a luck element but you also have to be a good team, when was the last bad team that somehow lucked themselves into a SB win?[/quote]
Just responding to Meks that's all. Luck, team chemistry and players playing and Coach's coaching all as one .

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Yes, it is emotional hatred of the team, coupled with me seeing most of their games this season first hand. Where I live they are the local team, it blows lol. But I have seen them get a way with so much shit last season, getting lucky constantly, against us, against everyone. Catching teams at the worst point or in the middle of falling out of their season, they had a cupcake schedule - not on paper i guess, but in real time, cupcakes all day. And I can't even begin to go in on the super bowl with the offensive player lined up in the neutral zone before the snap on the trick play TD, or the absolute BOGUS AS FUCK Clement catch (I had less problem or question with the Ertz one but still shady). I heard the NFL came out and said the Dez Bryant catch, which wasn't IMO, was actually a catch and they fucked up... BECAUSE of the SHIT SHOW that was that Clement "catch".... The saints finished the season hot as hell - and get beat by a miracle play in Minnesota? Bullshit. The saint vs eagles would have been a game, the vikings didnt even show up and Case Keenum wasn;t going to win them that game. The saints had a better shot at beating philly but got miracle'd out of it? Fucking horse shit! lol -- the eagles got lucky, they're not that good. If Wentz isn't the same qb after surgery, they wont be as good, either. Fuck them, and their bullshit season.

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i agree tho, anonymously agree that they are not a bad team, and they are well coached, but, i think they were more lucky than not. And what Schneed said about the front 4 is very true, they can fuck up a game.

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And their fans are just a basket of deplorables, too!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189837]And their fans are just a basket of deplorables, too![/quote]

beyond true. The football IQ just isnt there for like 89% of them. I deal with them every sunday, old or young, they arent by far the smartest bunch. Including friends of mine.

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[quote=Meks;1189831]Yes, it is emotional hatred of the team, coupled with me seeing most of their games this season first hand. Where I live they are the local team, it blows lol. But I have seen them get a way with so much shit last season, getting lucky constantly, against us, against everyone. Catching teams at the worst point or in the middle of falling out of their season, they had a cupcake schedule - not on paper i guess, but in real time, cupcakes all day. And I can't even begin to go in on the super bowl with the offensive player lined up in the neutral zone before the snap on the trick play TD, or the absolute BOGUS AS FUCK Clement catch (I had less problem or question with the Ertz one but still shady). I heard the NFL came out and said the Dez Bryant catch, which wasn't IMO, was actually a catch and they fucked up... BECAUSE of the SHIT SHOW that was that Clement "catch".... The saints finished the season hot as hell - and get beat by a miracle play in Minnesota? Bullshit. The saint vs eagles would have been a game, the vikings didnt even show up and Case Keenum wasn;t going to win them that game. The saints had a better shot at beating philly but got miracle'd out of it? Fucking horse shit! lol -- the eagles got lucky, they're not that good. If Wentz isn't the same qb after surgery, they wont be as good, either. Fuck them, and their bullshit season.[/quote]

Boy do I get it. Living here (I'm in the western burbs of Philly on the PA side) with all of these fans is pretty much unbearable. They vaulted to my most hated team this year, even ahead of Dallas, because their fans were so ungraceful about it. It's not enough for them to win, they have to shit on you and your team in the process too. It has made me so resentful of a couple of friends of mine in particular.

F Philly. I hope Wentz goes the route of RGIII and is never the same again on that knee. Wishful thinking but that's where my head is. That's what these assholes around here deserve.

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The Eagles are a good team, why would anyone say otherwise? You don't win a SB being just lucky.

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Why is well coached sort of being tossed around as an indictment against them?

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[quote=MTK;1189844]Why is well coached sort of being tossed around as an indictment against them?[/quote]

I agree that doesn't make sense. Belichick is undoubtedly a huge reason why the Pats have stayed on top for so long. Pederson has been impressive - he has been more aggressive as a playcaller and was rewarded in 2017 for it.

I think they'll lose something with Reich and DeFilippo leaving. Hopefully something significant. That will tell us a lot - who drove the Eagles' offensive success, was it those two guys or was it more Doug P?

Either way though, having a strong coaching staff is a good thing. This just in.

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[quote=Meks;1189810]I really cannot even begin to give credit to philly. I just can't. I do not think they're that good. I think they were very lucky down the stretch and, sadly, very well coached. That's it. And with a season of film on them now I expect a drop off and I hope I'm right.[/quote]

C'mon. I hate them as much as anyone but they had a great team. Great teams can overcome their injuries and the Eagles did exactly that. Plus their free agent signings were spot on. Give credit where credit is due.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1189822]D HALL speaking of our former QB that one guy number 8.

“We kind of felt like the commitment wasn’t there from Kirk,” Hall said, via the Washington Post. “We obviously wanted Kirk. We franchised him because we wanted him there. It was up to ownership and the front office to kind of work those numbers out. They couldn’t get the numbers worked out, so he signed franchise tags those two football seasons. Everybody in that locker room was behind Kirk, wanted him there, but we wanted to feel like he wanted to be there as well. Having played 14 years, I understand, ‘Let’s go get the money,’ but at some point there has to be mutual interest from both parties to want to get better collectively as a team. Paying Kirk probably the $30 million he’s going to get, we couldn’t do that and get better as a football team.”

“I felt like some of the offers that we heard about — just being players in the locker room, you kind of hear whispers,” Hall said. “Some of the offers we felt like we heard, we were like, ‘Man, that’s a good deal. Why wouldn’t Kirk take it?’ So, we kind of did a lot of talking among ourselves, and it was just a feel. He never said anything. He never walked around like, ‘Man, why am I here?’ It was never anything like that. Kirk, from the moment he got in that locker room, he was nothing but a professional. He went about his business.”[/quote]

If you got Kirk in a room behind closed doors I bet he'd say it came down to a bruised ego. He didn't like that they rolled out the red carpet for RG3 but didn't give him the same kind of respect. He's the better player and didn't get that same treatment. I put myself in that same situation. How would I feel? How would you?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1189837]And their fans are just a basket of deplorables, too![/quote]

Yeah they are but they also have a totally devoted fan base, like ours use to be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1189851]If you got Kirk in a room behind closed doors I bet he'd say it came down to a bruised ego. He didn't like that they rolled out the red carpet for RG3 but didn't give him the same kind of respect. He's the better player and didn't get that same treatment. I put myself in that same situation. How would I feel? How would you?[/quote]

RG3 was the 2nd overall pick though, that's how it goes in sports. It's like having 10 guys at the park and you get 1st pick, you are more likely to choose the best player that you have seen to that date. RG3 was a far better player in college.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1189851]If you got Kirk in a room behind closed doors I bet he'd say it came down to a bruised ego. He didn't like that they rolled out the red carpet for RG3 but didn't give him the same kind of respect. He's the better player and didn't get that same treatment. I put myself in that same situation. How would I feel? How would you?[/quote]

Ironically, Cousins is going to a team that is rolling out the red carpet for him and kicking the QB that got them to the playoffs to the curb.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1189855]Ironically, Cousins is going to a team that is rolling out the red carpet for him and kicking the QB that got them to the playoffs to the curb.[/quote]

I think the whole bruised ego/disrespect angle is a bit overblown. Was he really walking around butt hurt the last 6 years? Was he really so hurt he gladly took $45M to keep playing here the last 2 years?

In the end it simply didn't work out, just like plenty of other situations that players/teams have all the time in sports.