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[quote=#56fanatic;1190261]I find it crazy that this organization screwed up the chance to have a franchise QB that is hasn't had in 30 years. And to say Cousins was the issue is wearing burgundy and gold shades. The guy never complained, played under the tag two years, never questioned the front office openly, never questioned anything. They had a chance to put this guy under contract and sorry ass Bruce wanted to see more. So he put up big #'s again, but yet again it wasn't good enough - wanted to see more. Scott and Jay both wanted to wrap him up 3 years ago and to be honest, I'd trust anything Scott and Jay say regarding football talent over bruce 100 times out of 100. Then they offer him a crap contract and publicly go out to make Kirk (kurt) to be the bad guy by not accepting the deal. All the while all the NFL guys were saying to us on the outside it was a lot of money. But those in the NFL said it was an absolutely horrible contract, with actual less money in year 2 than one and less money than the transition tag money.

And this year was supposed to be his DOWN year. I truly believe that Bruce tried to field subpar talent at the skill WR position to ultimately use that again Kirk in negotiating his contract. hoping his #'s would be way down than the previous two, saying he doesn't deserve top dollar. but that ultimately failed - BIG TIME. This year - with the talentless WR position, the lack of a running game (again) and the constant shuffling of the Oline - kirk went out and played his best season (in my opinion).

who would want to sign a long term contract with an organization that hasn't believed in your since you went under center. an organization that stands in front of the public and tries to smear you as a person or only out for the money, an organization that takes 2 1000 yard receivers away from an offense in hopes of you putting up less than average numbers to use that against you in negotiations. Who was never satisfied with what you did on the field.[/quote]

We do have a franchise QB, his name is Alex Smith.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;1190261]I find it crazy that this organization screwed up the chance to have a franchise QB that is hasn't had in 30 years. And to say Cousins was the issue is wearing burgundy and gold shades. The guy never complained, played under the tag two years, never questioned the front office openly, never questioned anything. They had a chance to put this guy under contract and sorry ass Bruce wanted to see more. So he put up big #'s again, but yet again it wasn't good enough - wanted to see more. Scott and Jay both wanted to wrap him up 3 years ago and to be honest, I'd trust anything Scott and Jay say regarding football talent over bruce 100 times out of 100. Then they offer him a crap contract and publicly go out to make Kirk (kurt) to be the bad guy by not accepting the deal. All the while all the NFL guys were saying to us on the outside it was a lot of money. But those in the NFL said it was an absolutely horrible contract, with actual less money in year 2 than one and less money than the transition tag money.

And this year was supposed to be his DOWN year. I truly believe that Bruce tried to field subpar talent at the skill WR position to ultimately use that again Kirk in negotiating his contract. hoping his #'s would be way down than the previous two, saying he doesn't deserve top dollar. but that ultimately failed - BIG TIME. This year - with the talentless WR position, the lack of a running game (again) and the constant shuffling of the Oline - kirk went out and played his best season (in my opinion).

who would want to sign a long term contract with an organization that hasn't believed in your since you went under center. an organization that stands in front of the public and tries to smear you as a person or only out for the money, an organization that takes 2 1000 yard receivers away from an offense in hopes of you putting up less than average numbers to use that against you in negotiations. Who was never satisfied with what you did on the field.[/QUOTE]Franchise quarterback means you want to see to see the franchise win. The coaches and gm did not see that in the Skins previous quarterback.

Now the Skins seem to have a franchise quarterback .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1190230]Have any of you seen your ex out with another dude? That's kind a how this feels. lol. This was a drafted guy who earned it the hard way. And even though I feel Cousins is partly to blame, it still feels strange. Right now I have zero attachment to Alex Smith. I'm sure that will change at some point. We all get some kind of attachment to our players. I think the worst for me was seeing Art Monk wear an Eagles uniform. That should have never ever happened. I want Kirk to do well but then there's part of me that wants him to fall flat on his face.[/quote]

This may help with attachment to Alex. Give it a read, and love the one you're with.

[quote]So thank you, Kansas City. You will forever be a huge part of who I am as a quarterback and as a man.

And Washington?

Let’s build something great together.

[B]HTTR![/B][/quote]

[url]https://www.theplayerstribune.com/alex-smith-chiefs-redskins-thank-you/[/url]

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[quote]Adam Schefter
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@AdamSchefter
Kirk Cousins plans to sign a three-year, fully-guaranteed contract from the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday, sources tell ESPN.[/quote]
Can we be done and lock this thread now.

Thank You Kirk Cousins Thread
 

Damn I thought his market was drying up and he was heading to the XFL for a vet min deal? [emoji6]

Reports say 3 years $84m fully guaranteed, not bad at all

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[quote=Dan73;1190287]Franchise quarterback means you want to see to see the franchise win. The coaches and gm did not see that in the Skins previous quarterback.

Now the Skins seem to have a franchise quarterback .

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they are the same QB's....
to say one is better than the other at this point isn't valid point. Only difference is Kirk is 5 years younger. numbers wise they are pretty similar.

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There is a huge difference between being a team first guy and saying all the right things in the media to sound like a team first guy. The players in the locker room will be able to identify in about 5 min.

Football is arguably the most team oriented sport (rugby and hockey). The most important fundamental ingredient to having a good team is having players that are unselfishly committed to the team. If the locker room is tight, the team will win more often than not given roughly equal talent. I would argue that the actual athletic difference in the NFL is really very small.

Joe Theisman, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams were no where near great QBs. Neil Olkewiczs, Doc Walker, Donny Warren, Monte Colman, Rich Milot, Mel Kaufman, and a host of others were not the greatest athletes but they were multiple champions.

After reading his good by letter, I would say our incoming QB is a massive upgrade in the locker room.

We are going to win more games this year.

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[quote=MTK;1190296]Damn I thought his market was drying up and he was heading to the XFL for a vet min deal? [emoji6]

Reports say 3 years $84m fully guaranteed, not bad at all[/quote]

Would you have wanted the skins to do that deal? No f-ing way IMO.84 million fully guaranteed?!

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic;1190297]they are the same QB's....
to say one is better than the other at this point isn't valid point. Only difference is Kirk is 5 years younger. numbers wise they are pretty similar.[/QUOTE]No one is a Redskin and wants to win signed a contract right away for 5 years.

The other only wants a 3 year deal so he can cash in again and has a film crew following him around.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1190299]Would you have wanted the skins to do that deal? No f-ing way IMO.84 million fully guaranteed?![/quote]

Nope that is unreal, but hey good for Kirk

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190301]Nope that is unreal, but hey good for Kirk[/quote]

Right time right place
Too bad we dont play Minnesota this year

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[quote=htownskinfan;1190304]Right time right place
Too bad we dont play Minnesota this year[/quote]

Keim just reported Kirk turned down 53M Gteed money and bet that he would get much more and damn he was right

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Thank you for leaving and letting us get a better QB that wants to be here and isn't Scrooge McDuck. He better play amazingly or there is gonna be a lot of resentment in that lockerroom.

Lets go Packers, Lions, and Bears!!

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1190299]Would you have wanted the skins to do that deal? No f-ing way IMO.84 million fully guaranteed?![/QUOTE]


He wouldn’t have taken that deal here

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[quote=MTK;1190309]He wouldn’t have taken that deal here[/quote]

Nope, he never wanted to stay and we all know it, he does too

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1190299]Would you have wanted the skins to do that deal? No f-ing way IMO.84 million fully guaranteed?![/QUOTE]I'm happy for Kirk... and most importantly as a fan happy my team didn't pay him this.
Yes they coulda-shoulda signed him back in 2015. But in 2018 I'm OK with the way things are settling.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1190308]Thank you for leaving and letting us get a better QB that wants to be here and isn't Scrooge McDuck. He better play amazingly or there is gonna be a lot of resentment in that lockerroom.

Lets go Packers, Lions, and Bears!![/QUOTE]I work with a lot of happy Packer fans right now.

They just watched a division rival over pay a qb who is not a upgrade on anyone they had while the blew up team chemistry.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1190310]Nope, he never wanted to stay and we all know it, he does too[/quote]

Absolutely. Back a year or so ago, there was a report that he went to the Redskins brass and asked for a trade. I kind of wished we would've done so back then, but probably wouldn't have gotten Alex Smith, and I think the 'skins did a good thing by picking up Smith. Either way, the Cousins chapter is finally over in Washington, and now we can move on, officially.

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Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Also, what a ridiculous amount of money to pay a slightly above average (and that's a maybe) quarterback.

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[quote=Dan73;1190313]I work with a lot of happy Packer fans right now.

They just watched a division rival over pay a qb who is not a upgrade on anyone they had while the blew up team chemistry.

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Yeah, me too. I live amongst them.

Funny thing is the Vikings are still head and shoulders better than Green Bay.

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Let's see what happens. Minnesota has a great defense, something KC never had here. KC might fall on his $84M dollar face or he might do well. We will see.
The BIG pressure is definitely on him now. He has a lot to live up to.

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I say we LOCK this bad boy up for good and move on to Alex Smith who will lead us to many great days.

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I agree. [/thread]

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Joe Theesmann just went on the radio and said "[URL="https://deadspin.com/joe-theismann-on-the-skins-re-signing-kirk-cousins-it-1823742456"]it would have been a big nut to swallow[/URL]."

[IMG]http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/59/39021714.jpg[/IMG]

I know you guys are ready to stop talking about KC and wait for 31 qb's to outperform him in 2018, but I for one am excited to peruse his post-signing press conference to see if there's any hidden barbs about the Redskins in it. IE "I'm glad to be in a place that wants me" or etc.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1190410]Joe Theesmann just went on the radio and said "[URL="https://deadspin.com/joe-theismann-on-the-skins-re-signing-kirk-cousins-it-1823742456"]it would have been a big nut to swallow[/URL]."

[IMG]http://memes.ucoz.com/_nw/59/39021714.jpg[/IMG]

I know you guys are ready to stop talking about KC and wait for 31 qb's to outperform him in 2018, but I for one am excited to peruse his post-signing press conference to see if there's any hidden barbs about the Redskins in it. IE "I'm glad to be in a place that wants me" or etc.[/QUOTE]Well he did sign his farewell as Kurt (check it yourself)

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[url]https://www.theplayerstribune.com/alex-smith-chiefs-redskins-thank-you/[/url]

THIS is how you say goodbye to a team. Huge difference between Alex and Kirk. Kirk's goodbye was full of shit with the "oh the team didn't want me" crap. I'm glad Alex Smith is here. Fuck you Kirk. We upgraded!

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Drew Brees got 3mil less a year than KC. My first reaction was that's insane if that's what the market thought about these 2 QBs for the next 2-3 years.

Then I saw he was offered 30mil somewhere else, but turned it down to stay in NO...




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[QUOTE=WillH;1190423]Drew Brees got 3mil less a year than KC. My first reaction was that's insane if that's what the market thought about these 2 QBs for the next 2-3 years.

Then I saw he was offered 30mil somewhere else, but turned it down to stay in NO...




Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]That is the difference between a franchise quarterback and a guy out for himself.

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[quote=Dan73;1190424]That is the difference between a franchise quarterback and a guy out for himself.

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He wasn't like that before this contract. He went for max money.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1190428]He wasn't like that before this contract. He went for max money.[/QUOTE]He was always like that.

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First of all, Fuck Kirk Cousins. He is the first franchise quarterback, that I know of, that left his team. Greedy asshole. With that said, we could have paid him, the same thing Minnesota paid him, and saved money. The way I see it, to replace Fuller, your looking at 11 million a year. So combine that with Smiths salary, we would have saved money.

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If he was truly going for max money he would have went to NY. Either way he’s played it perfectly and may be leading the way for fully guaranteed contracts in the future vs the bogus deals that are given out now.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1190428]He wasn't like that before this contract. He went for max money.[/QUOTE]When Brees got paid he was one of the top 5 qbs in the league. He has redone his deal more than once for the team.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1190440]If he was truly going for max money he would have went to NY. Either way he’s played it perfectly and may be leading the way for fully guaranteed contracts in the future vs the bogus deals that are given out now.[/QUOTE]Or if Minnesota fails and runs into cap problems he will be why teams don't offer those contracts.

We also don't know what others would offer.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1190420][url]https://www.theplayerstribune.com/alex-smith-chiefs-redskins-thank-you/[/url]

THIS is how you say goodbye to a team. Huge difference between Alex and Kirk. Kirk's goodbye was full of shit with the "oh the team didn't want me" crap. I'm glad Alex Smith is here. Fuck you Kirk. We upgraded![/quote]

Here's Kirk's goodbye:

[URL="https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington?utm_campaign=KCfarewell031218&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social"]https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington?utm_campaign=KCfarewell031218&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social[/URL]

"There is no way I would be where I am today without the leadership of the Redskins organization … Coach Gruden, Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder. Thank you all for the opportunity you gave me. When Cooper someday asks: “Hey Dad, what was it like playing for the Redskins?” I’ll proudly tell him it was a dream come true.

Thanks for having me, Washington, and thanks for making me into the player I am today!"

But what a D-Bag Cousins is, and what a great guy Alex Smith is, right?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1190455]Here's Kirk's goodbye:

[URL="https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington?utm_campaign=KCfarewell031218&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social"]https://kirkcousins.org/blogs/blog/thank-you-washington?utm_campaign=KCfarewell031218&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social[/URL]

"There is no way I would be where I am today without the leadership of the Redskins organization … Coach Gruden, Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder. Thank you all for the opportunity you gave me. When Cooper someday asks: “Hey Dad, what was it like playing for the Redskins?” I’ll proudly tell him it was a dream come true.

Thanks for having me, Washington, and thanks for making me into the player I am today!"

But what a D-Bag Cousins is, and what a great guy Alex Smith is, right?[/quote]

Yep.

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[quote=Dan73;1190443]Or if Minnesota fails and runs into cap problems he will be why teams don't offer those contracts.

We also don't know what others would offer.

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Haters are going to hate!:doh:

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1190443]Or if Minnesota fails and runs into cap problems he will be why teams don't offer those contracts.

We also don't know what others would offer.

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I’m sure the Vikings are well aware of how their cap projects over the next 3 years. This is hardly a deal that will handcuff them.

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I'm still blown some team offered him a lot of money. I thought teams generally don't overpay in free agency regardless of talent.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1190469]I’m sure the Vikings are well aware of how their cap projects over the next 3 years. This is hardly a deal that will handcuff them.[/QUOTE]If he tears an acl game 1 they are screwed for 3 years. Granted injuries are what they are, but they better make their oline better.

I will be interested (in an nfl fan way not KC specific) to see what happens at the end of the 3 years.