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On the flip side screw making any trades or bringing in guys off the street. Hopefully we are not that orgaization anymore where we do knee jerk shit like Gibbs did with TJ Duckett. I seriously think Bibbs and Marshall are better backs than Perine and Kelly. Let's just roll with these guys and suck this one up. But this fucking hurts.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1197752]I don't have any faith in a front office that thought that Matt Jones or Samaje Perine was the answer at RB, yet passed on a talent like Kareem Hunt when he was there for the taking in Round 3 last year.[/quote]

Jones was a SM pick and he is gone. Perine is a 4th rounder. Please name me one front office that nails all their picks? Perine in the 4th based off his production was a good pick.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;1197747]I'm beginning to think that we are cursed by the football gods because of our team name.[/QUOTE]



That thought has occurred to me....


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[quote=skinsfan69;1197763]So here I am on a biz trip, sitting down to drink a beer and eat a steak, pull up some NFL news and saw this shit. Almost dropped my fucking phone. I just feel so bad for Guice. He is seriously such a good dude. The kind of guy that you just get attached to and this crap happens before his season starts. I just feel terrible right now.[/quote]

Before I even read the rest of the paragragh, what the fuck made you think you think could enjoy a steak as a Skins fan?

All jokes aside, I read nothing but great things about Guice. Its just so shitty and its not even my knee. I feel bad for Guice. Hopefully he can keep that great attitude while he recovers.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1197759]Like I said I'd call right now to Cleveland and offer a 3 for Duke Johnson or Carlos Hyde . They have Nick Chubb and one of the other 2 . They don't need all 3. Someone om twitter mentioned Abdullah from Detroit as well

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I think we definitely need to add help at RB.

I was hoping we would sign Hyde as a FA. I think he would be better able to hold up as a lead back than Johnson but I like both of them. I'd trade for Chubb, too, but it is very unlikely that Cleveland would do that.

But why wouldn't they keep all three? That would be a nice group.

As for FA's, I'd consider DeMarco Murray or Orleans Darkwa.

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A decent RB will becomes available in late cuts or could be dealt for but probably not at the Guice talent level. Yes the Guice injury stings, but this is football.
I do not like the artificial turf. It is too grippy and unforgiving. I would rather slip and fall more than have a season ending injury.
I am more worried about our O-line debth than our RB issues. If we lose a starter on O-line which we will, we are in big trouble. Our second string line looked awful. The worst I have ever seen on our team. Offense starts with O-line and QB.

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Going out and making a trade right now is a total Vinny move that smells of desperation.

We would always get fleeced in this situation. We are not on the cusp of contending for a Super Bowl.

Look for value, stay the course, stock draft picks, don't make stupid deals with the competition from a position of weakness.

RB can be a game changer (see Zeke) but we shouldn't offer the farm for a player at a position with the shortest productive career span.

Unpopular, I know, but I agree with waiting for cuts and looking for value.

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I'd rather just go with the next man up. Before the injuries set in last year we rolled up the Rams for over 200 yards with Kelley, Perine, and Thompson. So it's not like this bunch isn't capable of producing. I really like Marshall and Bibbs too. It really sucks to lose a stud like Guice but I think we've got enough as a committee approach.

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There's no need to make a trade. None what so ever. Whenever I see Marshall out there he does good things. Why wouldn't he get a increased role?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1197771]Going out and making a trade right now is a total Vinny move that smells of desperation.

We would always get fleeced in this situation. We are not on the cusp of contending for a Super Bowl.

Look for value, stay the course, stock draft picks, don't make stupid deals with the competition from a position of weakness.

RB can be a game changer (see Zeke) but we shouldn't offer the farm for a player at a position with the shortest productive career span.

Unpopular, I know, but I agree with waiting for cuts and looking for value.

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I don't think we are that organization anymore. Look how the Ravens picked up Alex Collins last year. Cut from Seattle and turns into a 1,000 rusher.

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To me it really depends on who is available...with so many coaching changes, there could be young RBs who have fallen out of favor with new schemes or systems.

Say if Jordan Howard was available...that is someone who would improve the roster. This would be a rare add...maybe a tevin Coleman in Atlanta. outside of these quality guys I wouldn’t make a move.

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I voted trade but I really don't care how we get one. Just get one. We're more than fine at the 3rd Down Back position but I do not trust Kelley and or Perine to get the job done on 1st and 2nd downs. Kelley has crappy instincts and he can't even find gaping holes to run through and Perine is bound to fumble and be benched or cut.

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[quote=MTK;1197772]I'd rather just go with the next man up. Before the injuries set in last year we rolled up the Rams for over 200 yards with Kelley, Perine, and Thompson. So it's not like this bunch isn't capable of producing. I really like Marshall and Bibbs too. It really sucks to lose a stud like Guice but I think we've got enough as a committee approach.[/quote]

Injuries are setting in now. We are a 7-9 team with Kelley and Perine getting the ball 25 times a game.

We can’t count on CT to play 16 games.
They need to make a move.

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I'd say we're a 7-9 team if the OL suffers a lot of injuries.

Regarding a trade the question is how high of a pick is worth giving up for basically a one year rental?

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This injury has me all effed up man. I'm 35, I got 21 year old drunk last night. That's a rarity nowadays. Woke up this morning with my TV and bedroom light on. Being a Skins fan man, few man bases have it worse.

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In baseball they have all these new stats to try to calculate how many wins each guy creates. Not sure they have anything similar in football, but not having Guice is gonna lose us at least 1 game. In a 16 game season, that's huge. Ughhhh!!!!!

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[QUOTE=MTK;1197778]I'd say we're a 7-9 team if the OL suffers a lot of injuries.

Regarding a trade the question is how high of a pick is worth giving up for basically a one year rental?[/QUOTE]The Oline and half the defense. You're right on the money.

We were literally the most injured team last year and were 7-9.

[url]https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/2017-adjusted-games-lost[/url]



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[quote=MTK;1197778]I'd say we're a 7-9 team if the OL suffers a lot of injuries.

Regarding a trade the question is how high of a pick is worth giving up for basically a one year rental?[/quote]

It doesn't have to be a one year rental depending on the player's contract. Also, having several good backs is a good thing so he wouldn't be excess baggage once Guice returns. Of course, I'm making the rash assumption that the player we trade for will become our new starting RB.

The trade doesn't have to be for draft picks either because we now have more depth and we won't be able to keep all of our good players. Another team might go for a trade of a RB to us for one of our players who plays another position.

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Remind me to never stand near a Redskins fan in a thunderstorm........holy crap you guys are snake bit.....tough break.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1197782]It doesn't have to be a one year rental depending on the player's contract. Also, having several good backs is a good thing so he wouldn't be excess baggage once Guice returns. Of course, I'm making the rash assumption that the player we trade for will become our new starting RB.

The trade doesn't have to be for draft picks either because we now have more depth and we won't be able to keep all of our good players. Another team might go for a trade of a RB to us for one of our players who plays another position.[/QUOTE]Agreed. We now seem to have really good depth at WR and DB, might be able to get value from it.

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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947230/article/jay-gruden-redskins-not-looking-to-add-veteran-rb"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947230/article/jay-gruden-redskins-not-looking-to-add-veteran-rb[/URL]

There is still a month left before GM1, plenty of time to bring in a guy and get him ready. It’s on Jay if we are near the bottom in rushing again.

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[quote=jamf;1197787][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947230/article/jay-gruden-redskins-not-looking-to-add-veteran-rb"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947230/article/jay-gruden-redskins-not-looking-to-add-veteran-rb[/URL]

There is still a month left before GM1, plenty of time to bring in a guy and get him ready. It’s on Jay if we are near the bottom in rushing again.[/quote]

We have to run the ball better this year to win. Bottomline

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[quote=jamf;1197787][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947230/article/jay-gruden-redskins-not-looking-to-add-veteran-rb"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000947230/article/jay-gruden-redskins-not-looking-to-add-veteran-rb[/URL]

There is still a month left before GM1, plenty of time to bring in a guy and get him ready. It’s on Jay if we are near the bottom in rushing again.[/quote]

OK, I read what Jay said and I don't believe him. That has got to be coachspeak, right? Right?

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[quote=Chico23231;1197790]We have to run the ball better this year to win. Bottomline[/quote]

Jay should reach out to Mike Shanahan and ask for advice.

In all seriousness, why wouldn't he, they could always run the ball.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1197783]Remind me to never stand near a Redskins fan in a thunderstorm........holy crap you guys are snake bit.....tough break.[/QUOTE]



Yeah - it isn’t good. You know it isn’t good when cowboys fans are sympathetic.


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I think the Ravens are full at rb might want call them up....this just sucks though. We have the worst luck I swear.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1197784]Agreed. We now seem to have really good depth at WR and DB, might be able to get value from it.

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You appear to have jinxed us. Robert Davis out for the season. Merde.


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My fantasy football team name will be “Guice that knee.” So bummed.


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[QUOTE=calia;1197795]You appear to have jinxed us. Robert Davis out for the season. Merde.


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You sure we can’t just forfeit all the preseason games? We’ll be the walking dead and have no depth players by time kickoff rolls around.


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[QUOTE=calia;1197795]You appear to have jinxed us. Robert Davis out for the season. Merde.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I would even say: Putain de bordel de merde!

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1197797]You sure we can’t just forfeit all the preseason games? We’ll be the walking dead and have no depth players by time kickoff rolls around.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Nothing new rave, this team is never healthy. I can't remember a team consistently injured like we are. I'm not making a bs excuse either. Look around the league and see if others have as many starters out on a regular basis. Won't happen

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I've only read a handful of the posts in this thread, so I'll probably be rehashing something a few others may have said.

I would go attempt to get the Falcons to trade Tevin Coleman to us. It would only likely cost us a 6th round pick per conditions. If Coleman was to rush for 1,100 yards and 7 or 8 TD's, then it would end up costing us a 4th rounder. IMO, it'd be well, worth it if that were to play out.

Coleman is starter material, and the Falcons likely won't be able to retain him after this season (he'll be a UFA after the season).

If not Coleman, then I would try to coax DeMarco Murray out of retirement. Frankly, I don't think it'll take much to persuade him.

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If we try to trade, which I hope our FO is at least seriously considering, here are a few names I don't think I've seen mentioned here:

-Latavius Murray, he had some good seasons in Oakland, the Vikings have Cook, wouldn't cost that much and he'd still be a nice addition.

-Mark Ingram, solid veteran, really good one year solution. The Saints have Kamara and could be willing to negotiate. He's entering his contract year.

-Deion Lewis. His name came up a lot when he was a free agent, and the Titans might be willing to give Henry a bigger role, would probably cost us a bit more.

Not saying these are the best we can do, but they're options.

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watching the patriots replay is fucking depressing seeing how great guice looked. this is fucking bullshit.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1197779]This injury has me all effed up man. I'm 35, I got 21 year old drunk last night. That's a rarity nowadays. Woke up this morning with my TV and bedroom light on. Being a Skins fan man, few man bases have it worse.[/quote]
33 but otherwise same here. this shits got me in my feelings bad
same here lol

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I feel the same fellas, feels like a punch to the gut every time I hear about it. He was going to ball this year. Redskins fans all over are depressed, Had a Goat in the making at S and he was murdered, Savior of the franchise tears his knee and never plays the same again, finally have a franchise QB that is a legit starter and he doesn't want to play here, draft an electric RB that is desperately needed for years now and he goes down PS week 1. It's hard to even imagine that shit all being true.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1197819]I feel the same fellas, feels like a punch to the gut every time I hear about it. He was going to ball this year. Redskins fans all over are depressed, Had a Goat in the making at S and he was murdered, Savior of the franchise tears his knee and never plays the same again, finally have a franchise QB that is a legit starter and he doesn't want to play here, draft an electric RB that is desperately needed for years now and he goes down PS week 1. It's hard to even imagine that shit all being true.

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Legit post. I'm glad I don't consume myself with this poop show like I did in my younger days. :banghead:

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[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1197820]Legit post. I'm glad I don't consume myself with this poop show like I did in my younger days. :banghead:[/QUOTE]



Sadly, even at 50 I am finding that each season it bothers me more that we are cursed. Consistent winning was literally half of my lifetime ago. Actually a little longer.


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Fullback Wellman sent to IR.

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[quote=jamf;1197823]Fullback Wellman sent to IR.[/quote]

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