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[quote=skinsnut;1210389]Along the lines of off the field violence, why is it that RBs are so vilolent vs kickers and QBs? It seems certain "deliver a hit" positions seem to have a disproportionate amount of off field hitting others issues.[/quote]

Is there a study on arrests by position of NFL players?

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[quote=skinsnut;1210389]Along the lines of off the field violence, why is it that RBs are so vilolent vs kickers and QBs? It seems certain "deliver a hit" positions seem to have a disproportionate amount of off field hitting others issues.[/quote]

Josh Brown was a kicker. I don't know if there is data one way or the other for your question.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/01/cleveland-police-say-they-didnt-watch-kareem-hunt-surveillance-video/[/url]

The Cleveland Police Department told USA Today that officers knew there were security cameras but never obtained the hotel’s surveillance video because “detectives only follow up on felonies. This is a misdemeanor.”

I couldn’t imagine being a father of the woman and hearing this. That’s a typical “not my job” response to people who are supposed to be advocates for victims of crimes

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[quote=Chico23231;1210393][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/01/cleveland-police-say-they-didnt-watch-kareem-hunt-surveillance-video/[/url]

The Cleveland Police Department told USA Today that officers knew there were security cameras but never obtained the hotel’s surveillance video because “detectives only follow up on felonies. This is a misdemeanor.”

I couldn’t imagine being a father of the woman and hearing this. That’s a typical “not my job” response to people who are supposed to be advocates for victims of crimes[/quote]

This is sickening.
The news about the rape kits getting destroyed is even worse.
[URL="https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Police-departments-nationwide-trashed-hundreds-of-rape-kits-501664231.html"]https://www.kcrg.com/content/news/Police-departments-nationwide-trashed-hundreds-of-rape-kits-501664231.html[/URL]

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[quote=Chico23231;1210393][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/01/cleveland-police-say-they-didnt-watch-kareem-hunt-surveillance-video/[/url]

The Cleveland Police Department told USA Today that officers knew there were security cameras but never obtained the hotel’s surveillance video because “detectives only follow up on felonies. This is a misdemeanor.”

I couldn’t imagine being a father of the woman and hearing this.[/quote]

This went down in February and it took almost 10 months for this to come out? This is the same situation as the Ray Rice situation according to ESPN Schefter: [URL="http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/25421622/schefter-compares-kareem-hunt-situation-ray-rices"]http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/25421622/schefter-compares-kareem-hunt-situation-ray-rices[/URL]
The Chiefs and the NFL asked for the video and were denied.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
I know Cleveland is an economically depressed city but this is criminal that a hotel, law enforcement and a District Attorney can keep this from coming to light. Money and power can derail a justice system.

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[quote=Defensewins;1210396]This went down in February and it took almost 10 months for this to come out? This is the same situation as the Ray Rice situation according to ESPN Schefter: [URL="http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/25421622/schefter-compares-kareem-hunt-situation-ray-rices"]http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/25421622/schefter-compares-kareem-hunt-situation-ray-rices[/URL]
The Chiefs and the NFL asked for the video and were denied.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
I know Cleveland is an economically depressed city but this is criminal that a hotel, law enforcement and a District Attorney can keep this from coming to light. Money and power can derail a justice system.[/quote]

Yeah, it's pretty terrible that the only way the video got released was from a hotel employee (probably ex-hotel employee) selling it to TMZ.

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Fuck the Cleveland police department and fuck Kareem hunt

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[quote=Defensewins;1210396]This went down in February and it took almost 10 months for this to come out? This is the same situation as the Ray Rice situation according to ESPN Schefter: [URL="http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/25421622/schefter-compares-kareem-hunt-situation-ray-rices"]http://www.espn.com/espnw/video/25421622/schefter-compares-kareem-hunt-situation-ray-rices[/URL]
The Chiefs and the NFL asked for the video and were denied.
The cover up is worse than the crime.
I know Cleveland is an economically depressed city but this is criminal that a hotel, law enforcement and a District Attorney can keep this from coming to light. Money and power can derail a justice system.[/quote]

Joe can probably shed more light on this being a lawyer but if the DA or police did release that video so much for finding an unbiased jury they are really protecting not derailing the justice system. Also even if charges are not filed I think it is still classified as evidence. It is not domain of the public the city of Cleveland has no responsibility to help the NFL with its investigation as awful as we think that might sound. I am surprised however that this wasn't leaked to a media outlet sooner.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1210403]Joe can probably shed more light on this being a lawyer but if the DA or police did release that video so much for finding an unbiased jury they are really protecting not derailing the justice system. Also even if charges are not filed I think it is still classified as evidence. It is not domain of the public the city of Cleveland has no responsibility to help the NFL with its investigation as awful as we think that might sound. I am surprised however that this wasn't leaked to a media outlet sooner.[/QUOTE] In Virginia, if the video was seized as evidence, it is shielded from FOIA requests during the investigation and or trial.

Also, the prosecution would not be allowed to release the video under the bar ethics rules because of what you mentioned. But the police would not be under the same constraints and could do so, but it would be in poor form imo until the criminal case got going in court.

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[quote=httr198020;1210371]That bitch jumped in his face. He had a right to defend himself.[/quote]


:saywhat: :doh: :postcop:

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210384]Somebody doesn't have to hit you first to warrant being hit. Jumping in somebody's face puts that person at risk. I don't see anything this guy did wrong. She jumped in his face. He pushed her. She hit him and things got a little out of control.[/QUOTE]



You are one giant pussy of a man.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210371]That bitch jumped in his face. He had a right to defend himself.[/QUOTE]



Or walk away. Im pretty sure if he can handle an nfl linebacker bearing down on him at running speed that he could handle her without “defending “ himself. On top of that he is just dumb if he didn’t know he was on camera. Listen man if u got beat up by girls your entire life than just tell us and maybe you will get a pass but if not you got a lot of manning up to do. Damn.

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[URL="http://www.cc.com/video-clips/67hgjb/chappelle-s-show-when-keeping-it-real-goes-wrong---brenda-johnson---uncensored"]When keeping it real goes wrong[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1210414][URL="http://www.cc.com/video-clips/67hgjb/chappelle-s-show-when-keeping-it-real-goes-wrong---brenda-johnson---uncensored"]When keeping it real goes wrong[/URL][/quote]

He had multiple opportunities to walk away and not escalate...Kareem kept it reala

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[quote=punch it in;1210410]Or walk away. Im pretty sure if he can handle an nfl linebacker bearing down on him at running speed that he could handle her without “defending “ himself. On top of that he is just dumb if he didn’t know he was on camera. Listen man if u got beat up by girls your entire life than just tell us and maybe you will get a pass but if not you got a lot of manning up to do. Damn.[/quote]

I might have given him a pass if the chick was Rhonda Rousey, Hunt was the size of a thoroughbred jockey and she had him cornered. Other than that no excuse. He wasn't really defending himself he broke free and came after her after they were separated. I have a personal zero tolerance for men who physically abuse women or children. Do it once and you are done as far as I am concerned, nothing will redeem you in my eyes. Screw all the psycho babble making excuses. My father was a wife beating child abuser and I never did either of those things.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1210418]I might have given him a pass if the chick was Rhonda Rousey, Hunt was the size of a thoroughbred jockey and she had him cornered. Other than that no excuse. He wasn't really defending himself he broke free and came after her after they were separated. I have a personal zero tolerance for men who physically abuse women or children. Do it once and you are done as far as I am concerned, nothing will redeem you in my eyes. Screw all the psycho babble making excuses. My father was a wife beating child abuser and I never did either of those things.[/QUOTE]



Good for you man. Alot of times that shit gets passed down for generations. Good job.

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Good first step by Hunt to admit he was wrong

[url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chiefs/2018/12/02/kareem-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs-video-attack-woman/2183089002/[/url]

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I hope we pick this kid up. He deserves a second chance. Even though I don't think he did anything wrong.

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[quote=punch it in;1210407]You are one giant pussy of a man.[/quote]

You can never prove it yourself. Anyone can come online and call a guy a pussy. Can you approach me face to face and prove it?

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[quote=punch it in;1210410]Or walk away. Im pretty sure if he can handle an nfl linebacker bearing down on him at running speed that he could handle her without “defending “ himself. On top of that he is just dumb if he didn’t know he was on camera. Listen man if u got beat up by girls your entire life than just tell us and maybe you will get a pass but if not you got a lot of manning up to do. Damn.[/quote] He doesn't have to walk away. Nor should he walk away. Nobody has a right to threaten another human being. Jumping in somebody's face is very threatening. If I did get beat up by girls my entire life it's one thing I know. You can't whip me. That is all you need to know.

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[quote=httr198020;1210423]You can never prove it yourself. Anyone can come online and call a guy a pussy. Can you approach me face to face and prove it?[/quote]

good online tough guy talk right there. How late does your mom let you have friends over?

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210423]You can never prove it yourself. Anyone can come online and call a guy a pussy. Can you approach me face to face and prove it?[/QUOTE]



I don’t need to prove anything big guy. Your posts speak for themselves. You are calling out women constantly for weeks trying so hard to make it seem like men need to defend themselves against women. You see a video and literally change what happened to fit your pussy attitude about scary girls and how we need to kick them and punch them if they approach us in a threatening manor. If i ever did meet you face to face id tell you exactly that. And I would bring my sister to kick your ass. Hahahaha. Gtfoh.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1210426]good online tough guy talk right there. How late does your mom let you have friends over?[/quote]
Calling me a pussy is an online tough guy. I never said anything out of the way to this guy. He just don't like my own opinion. Just like a little emotional SJW he took it personally. I have a right to speak up for myself.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210429]Calling me a pussy is an online tough guy. I never said anything out of the way to this guy. He just don't like my own opinion. Just like a little emotional SJW he took it personally. I have a right to speak up for myself.[/QUOTE]



I think everyone on the board in general is a little weirded out by how okay you are with just punching a woman in the face regardless of if she’s tried to hit you first or not. I’m curious, how many women have you actually hit?


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[quote=punch it in;1210428]I don’t need to prove anything big guy. Your posts speak for themselves. You are calling out women constantly for weeks trying so hard to make it seem like men need to defend themselves against women. You see a video and literally change what happened to fit your pussy attitude about scary girls and how we need to kick them and punch them if they approach us in a threatening manor. If i ever did meet you face to face id tell you exactly that. And I would bring my sister to kick your ass. Hahahaha. Gtfoh.[/quote]
Sure you do. You're talking real tough like you whip me. I'm not about a bunch of talking. I'm all about action. Men do need to protect themselves from violent women. We might be physically superior, but we're still mortal. I knew a few teenage boys around NE and Landover who would beat all the shit out of you if you take them lightly. I know a couple of lesbians I grew up with around 21st who would kill you without hesitation. My point is you have to treat everyone the same. You don't give a pass to one group of people because they are the weaker gender. If you jump in my face I would kick your ass. If your sister of mother jumped in my face I would treat them exactly the same way as I would treat you.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1210430]I think everyone on the board in general is a little weirded out by how okay you are with just punching a woman in the face regardless of if she’s tried to hit you first or not. I’m curious, how many women have you actually hit?


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You're entitled to think whatever you want. Just like I'm entitled to my own opinion. I think it is alright to knock a woman out if she tries to attack you or is threatening to attack you.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210431]Sure you do. You're talking real tough like you whip me. I'm not about a bunch of talking. I'm all about action. Men do need to protect themselves from violent women. We might be physically superior, but we're still mortal. I knew a few teenage boys around NE and Landover who would beat all the shit out of you if you take them lightly. I know a couple of lesbians I grew up with around 21st who would kill you without hesitation. My point is you have to treat everyone the same. You don't give a pass to one group of people because they are the weaker gender. If you jump in my face I would kick your ass. If your sister of mother jumped in my face I would treat them exactly the same way as I would treat you.[/QUOTE]



Yeah yeah yeah. Everyone knows you feel threatened by women. You don’t have to keep repeating yourself. Im sure there are other chat groups for non men that you could get your point across better on. Give it a shot and for the last time gtfoh.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210432]You're entitled to think whatever you want. Just like I'm entitled to my own opinion. I think it is alright to knock a woman out if she tries to attack you or is threatening to attack you.[/QUOTE]



This is not wtf you keep saying. Without even knowing the facts - foster - you talk shit. Than seeing a video - you still talk shit. U just hate girls man. Don’t try and change it into self defense. There is zero self defense in either situation- just a couple of head cases whose mommas didn’t raise them right.

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Remember when the Reuben Foster thread seemed whacky? This thread came along and said hold my beer.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1210435]Remember when the Reuben Foster thread seemed whacky? This thread came along and said hold my beer.


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Ladies and gentlemen.....the new heavyweight champion of the wooooorld....

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[quote=httr198020;1210432]You're entitled to think whatever you want. Just like I'm entitled to my own opinion. I think it is alright to knock a woman out if she tries to attack you or is threatening to attack you.[/quote]

You cannot legally hit anyone who is unarmed and has not laid a hand on you.
If you practice what you preach you will end up in jail.

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[quote=MTK;1210435]Remember when the Reuben Foster thread seemed whacky? This thread came along and said hold my beer.


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Speaking of holding a beer I was holding a beer at the old Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles when a chick came up to me and punched me right in the face without warning. After hitting me she said "That is for my boyfriend." It was at a punk concert and her boyfriend was cheap shotting smaller guys in the mosh pit. A friend I was with got a swollen eye from the dude, so I went in and knocked the guy down, as I walked out of the pit a bunch of guys got even with him.
Since the chick didn't even cause me to spill any beer I just turned and walked away.

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[quote=punch it in;1210434]This is not wtf you keep saying. Without even knowing the facts - foster - you talk shit. Than seeing a video - you still talk shit. U just hate girls man. Don’t try and change it into self defense. There is zero self defense in either situation- just a couple of head cases whose mommas didn’t raise them right.[/quote]
I love girls. I just hate feminists and their she-male lap dogs.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1210440]I love girls. I just hate feminists and their she-male lap dogs.[/QUOTE]



Read as: I love doormats.


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I sense abusers and abuse victims in this thread. Ya'll need to chill out with the macho crap. We're all skins fans here. Peace!

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Smart move apologizing for it immediately but I wasn't entirely convinced by his apology. If it really was a case where she was calling him the n-word and verbally abusing him why wouldn't he speak up in his defense?

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[quote=mooby;1210443]Smart move apologizing for it immediately but I wasn't entirely convinced by his apology. If it really was a case where she was calling him the n-word and verbally abusing him why wouldn't he speak up in his defense?[/quote]

At least he apologized himself instead of clowns that get their lawyer to do the talking for them.

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Same as in the case with Ray Rice.....these guys don't stop to think that there will be surveillance cameras in these buildings that will prove to act as evidence against them....Rice and Hunt are public figures...they are too important to be putting themselves in these positions....they are not the average joe out here....just walk away from any woman who acts hostile towards you....

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1210405]In Virginia, if the video was seized as evidence, it is shielded from FOIA requests during the investigation and or trial.

Also, the prosecution would not be allowed to release the video under the bar ethics rules because of what you mentioned. But the police would not be under the same constraints and could do so, but it would be in poor form imo until the criminal case got going in court.

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Thanks for the info. Is that pretty standard for police?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1210441]Read as: I love doormats.


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Lol women are great! As long as the stay in the kitchen