Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Have to keep Trent. The rest imo are all on the table. Especially Norman.

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[quote=GridIron26;1219414]Redskins FO would be really stupid to trade Kerrigan or Williams[/quote]

Not even the Redskins front office is that stupid.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1219419]Have to keep Trent. The rest imo are all on the table. Especially Norman.[/QUOTE]Agree. Kerrigan is the best of the good (not great) with his best years behind him.

Trading him while value exists is a Patriots like move.

Keep Trent.

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The only way we trade RK is if we sign Justin Houston and draft Polite or another edge guy

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1219422]Agree. Kerrigan is the best of the good (not great) with his best years behind him.

Trading him while value exists is a Patriots like move.

Keep Trent.

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I don't understand the lack of love for Kerrigan. The guy averages double digit sacks, a couple forced fumbles a year, is a perennial pro bowler and is treated like he is nothing special from many in here. He also never misses a game.

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[quote=GridIron26;1219414]Redskins FO would be really stupid to trade Kerrigan or Williams[/quote]

It depends on the compensation. Both players are 30 and at their peak value. Their contracts are commiserate with their performance right now... but they'll be more expensive than they're worth in a couple years. And lets be honest - we're a couple years away from being competitive. I'd trade either of them for a 1st and not think twice about it.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1219424]I don't understand the lack of love for Kerrigan. The guy averages double digit sacks, a couple forced fumbles a year, is a perennial pro bowler and is treated like he is nothing special from many in here. He also never misses a game.[/quote]

its not a lack of love. its BECAUSE he's so good that he has actual trade value. Kerrigan and Williams will both be 31 when the season starts. their value will never be higher than it is now. Smart teams like the patriots trade players like Williams and Kerrigan every day. Getting younger and cheaper by trading talented veterans who will be declining by the team the redskins are competitive is how we get better for the long term.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Mark Bullock recently posted some excellent analysis of Rosen on his Twitter. Encourage everyone to go look at it. High points:

- he was sacked 45 times in 13 games. Like to put that in perspective our injured ass offensive line gave up 45 sacks all season long.

- if you go back and look at most of those sacks, they're mostly a product of two things:

1) the defensive line would win IMMEDIATELY. Rosen was getting hit by the time he was planting his leg at the top of his drop. Never had a chance.

2) The Cardinals offense was really, really poorly designed. For example leave Danielle Hunter of the Vikings unblocked with no hot route. Or go empty set with no check down options available - nothing but 10-14 yard curls. They gave Rosen no chance to succeed.

Now when he does get hit he needs to hold onto the ball. We had that problem with Cousins and it needs to be dealt with - but putting much of anything on Rosen for last year's performance is definitely unfair. The coaching there was an abomination, the scheme about as well thought out as a high school offense, and the line was incapable of winning one on one physical matchups with most opponents.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1219426]its not a lack of love. its BECAUSE he's so good that he has actual trade value. Kerrigan and Williams will both be 31 when the season starts. their value will never be higher than it is now. Smart teams like the patriots trade players like Williams and Kerrigan every day. Getting younger and cheaper by trading talented veterans who will be declining by the team the redskins are competitive is how we get better for the long term.[/quote]

LT and EDGE are 2 of the most important positions so yes you could get a 2nd for RK I believe.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Zach Brown makes the most sense to trade, he is under contract and doesn’t want to play for the Redskins. Throw in Doctson too, since most here hate him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1219429]Zach Brown makes the most sense to trade, he is under contract and doesn’t want to play for the Redskins. Throw in Doctson too, since most here hate him.[/quote]

I'd offer our 3rd and Brown for Rosen and their 4th. See where that goes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1219429]Zach Brown makes the most sense to trade, he is under contract and doesn’t want to play for the Redskins. Throw in Doctson too, since most here hate him.[/quote]

Neither of these guys move the needle. Most FOs know ZB is primed to be released, so if they want him, they will just wait. With this many WRs in the draft, no one will wants Doctson.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1219425]It depends on the compensation. Both players are 30 and at their peak value. Their contracts are commiserate with their performance right now... but they'll be more expensive than they're worth in a couple years. And lets be honest - we're a couple years away from being competitive. I'd trade either of them for a 1st and not think twice about it.[/quote]

Good point, I think this would make more sense for Kerrigan but not for Williams. Trading Kerrigan will leave a huge hole in defense although, we might be able to offset the loss by drafting a OLB (assuming we choose right player) or sign a FA.

I see absolutely no purpose in trading Williams - it is extremely difficult to find a LT who consistently play at top level. If we trade Williams, we should expect to see a huge drop off in offense efficacy due to Williams's athleticism, which is not ideal for Gruden at this point.

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I would be quite satisfied with

1. Devin White
2. Trade for Rosen
3. Oshane Ximines
3c. Best Available LG

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Chico23231;1219431]Neither of these guys move the needle. Most FOs know ZB is primed to be released, so if they want him, they will just wait. With this many WRs in the draft, no one will wants Doctson.[/quote]

Agreed, please let's stop with the ridiculous idea that we can trade our mediocre players, which other teams KNOW we don't want to keep (at least with Brown).

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1219434]Agreed, please let's stop with the ridiculous idea that we can trade our mediocre players, which other teams KNOW we don't want to keep (at least with Brown).[/quote]

And if teams want to start helping with the Skins rebuild, yes kindly hand over First round picks for Silverblunt, RK and Josh Norman. That would be much appreciated.

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[quote=GridIron26;1219432]
[B]
I see absolutely no purpose in trading Williams - it is extremely difficult to find a LT who consistently play at top level. If we trade Williams, we should expect to see a huge drop off in offense efficacy due to Williams's athleticism, which is not ideal for Gruden at this point.[/B][/quote]

This needs to be in bold.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Trent and Kerrigan need to retire as Redskins. Don't want to see either of them in another uniform.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1219439]Trent and Kerrigan need to retire as Redskins. Don't want to see either of them in another uniform.[/quote]

This.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Seeing reports that the Giants are also interest in Rosen. If we want him, we may need to be aggressive.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Cooley roasted Rosen.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=OmahaRedskins;1219445]Cooley roasted Rosen.[/quote]

Cooley likes to talk alot, I don't know what he said but how can u roast a guy after 1 season with the worst OL in football?

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Per JPFINLAY " The Redskins are planning to make a huge splash at QB , even trading up for Kyler Murray like they did for RG3, If the Cards take Murray they are going hard after Rosen"

So there you have it folks, it's Murray or Rosen for the skins

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

We're not trading up for the 1st pick. Doug Williams has pretty much already said so. Finlay is just running his mouth for attention.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1219449]We're not trading up for the 1st pick. Doug Williams has pretty much already said so. Finlay is just running his mouth for attention.[/quote]

I trust Keim more and he says we are interested in Murray of course but it's very unlikely. So I'm sticking with Rosen or Lock

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

JP isn't saying a trade up to #1, he said some sources think "Washington would try a big move into the Top 5 to select Murray if the Cardinals don't take him at No. 1"

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1219453]JP isn't saying a trade up to #1, he said some sources think "Washington would try a big move into the Top 5 to select Murray if the Cardinals don't take him at No. 1"[/quote]

Yep which in my opinion is worth the trade up, I'd give a 2020 1st for Murray

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

"Some sources" could be the guy that cleans the locker room. William's flat out said that giving up a lot of picks to move up would not be what the Redskins are looking to do. Making a move for Murray would mean unloading a lot of draft picks. Murray ain't coming here.

Still don't get the love for Murray. He had one good year against scrub defenses. When he played a real one he was so so and at times looked bad.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

I think a trade into the top 5 is unlikely, but Williams and Gruden have both emphasized the importance of addressing QB and there is a feeling out there the Skins could be aggressive this offseason. JP doesn’t blow smoke.


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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Like I said before, last year we all knew DT and RB were big issues, so they addressed both.. There is no way this team passes on Rosen if he's available

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This price seems to high to me...

"Kadar believes that Washington and Arizona will conduct a trade sending their 2018 first-round selection, quarterback Josh Rosen, to Washington for the 15th, and 65th overall picks in this years' draft."

[URL]https://www.redskins.com/news/2019-mock-drafts-redskins-could-trade-with-the-cardinals[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1219467]This price seems to high to me...

"Kadar believes that Washington and Arizona will conduct a trade sending their 2018 first-round selection, quarterback Josh Rosen, to Washington for the 15th, and 65th overall picks in this years' draft."

[URL]https://www.redskins.com/news/2019-mock-drafts-redskins-could-trade-with-the-cardinals[/URL][/QUOTE]



Fuck that



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Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=MTK;1219468]Fuck that



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Absolutely fuck that.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

Bruce better not do stupid shit like this

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1219467]This price seems to high to me...

"Kadar believes that Washington and Arizona will conduct a trade sending their 2018 first-round selection, quarterback Josh Rosen, to Washington for the 15th, and 65th overall picks in this years' draft."

[URL]https://www.redskins.com/news/2019-mock-drafts-redskins-could-trade-with-the-cardinals[/URL][/quote]

The fact that Redskins.com is linking to it, and the fact that JP Finlay keeps pointing to an aggressive move coming, is a blatant and clear attempt by Snyder and Allen to drum up offseason intrigue to try to drive interest in ticket sales.

I think the slow ticket sales last year put them firmly back in the mode of trying to be offseason champs. If that comes in the form of trading two high picks for Rosen (it wont) then we’ll know they’ve come full circle to retard mode. If they pull off an aggressive offseason with sensible use of resources then they may actually bring back the fans and save Gruden’s job.

We’ll see which it is. They could screw the pooch in a lot of ways besides overpaying for Rosen.

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Ugh... All I want is to keep the 15 and not make a friggin 'Jake Locker' type reach for a QB. Fucking Bruce and Co. Better not f this shit up.

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

That trade would not make any sense

Re: Josh Rosen Trade Rumors: Redskins Have 'Openly' Discussed QB If Made Available
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1219473]That trade would not make any sense[/QUOTE]Agree.

Cooley said on Sheehan's pod he flat out wasn't worth a first. If it was less than a first it would get interesting.

He is on the team payroll now. I doubt he would be talking about the guy who they're about to over pay for isn't even worth a first.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1219471]The fact that Redskins.com is linking to it, and the fact that JP Finlay keeps pointing to an aggressive move coming, is a blatant and clear attempt by Snyder and Allen to drum up offseason intrigue to try to drive interest in ticket sales.



I think the slow ticket sales last year put them firmly back in the mode of trying to be offseason champs. If that comes in the form of trading two high picks for Rosen[b] (it wont) [/B]then we’ll know they’ve come full circle to retard mode.[/QUOTE]


I agree.

I think the fact that redskins.com is posting a story that we’re trading a 1st and 3rd for Rosen is to accomplish two things:

1) Get the fan reaction to the idea of trading for Rosen.
2) Make Bruce look like a shrewd negotiator when the trade goes through for something less.

My money is on our second. Or perhaps our first with the cards sending us Rosen and the 33rd pick, but no more than that.



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Also the fact that it is on the team site tells u that Rosen in their #1 option, getting fans excited to buy those #3 jerseys