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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1219699]Is there any reason people keep mentioning Rypien other than that his uncle played for us? I'm no scout, but I don't really feel he's an NFL player.[/quote]

Well you probably haven't seen Boise play the last 4 years. He's a legit prospect and really don't know why he's not being mentioned up there with some of the other guys. He's got tremendous accuracy, he has gotten under center, runs a lot of pro concepts in their passing game, has plenty of arm, quick release. He's every bit as good as Rosen was coming out last year if not better. I hope we draft him. He'd be a perfect fit for Gruden's offense.

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[quote=Defensewins;1219667]Talking in facts and not in wishful player ceilings:
We got Case for cheap and he will be a stop gap QB, [B]that is all[/B]. This is a small addition with no major subtraction to the Redskins. Even Case's salary is ok.
Case is better than Colt and JJ. For fucking sure.

At this point in Rosen's young and inexperienced career, Case has more of an ability to play now in the NFL and at a higher level than Rosen while Rosen acclimates. Stop gap.
In the past Case has thrived when working with a good offensive coordinator/Qb's coach. Gruden is supposed to be a good offensive coach.
I am not saying Case will suddenly be an All Star under Gruden, but there is a history of upside to Case's play when working with good coaching and a good offensive line and running game in front of him.
Having said that I still believe Case is nothing but a stop gap QB with experience a little bit of upside compared to Colt and JJ.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said except what happens if Case plays lights out this year?? Now we have a problem 😬 he will want a long contract ... Cousins part 2...I won’t be surprised at all if Case plays very well ...

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[quote=rocnrik;1219708]I agree with everything you said except what happens if Case plays lights out this year?? Now we have a problem 😬 he will want a long contract ... Cousins part 2...I won’t be surprised at all if Case plays very well ...[/quote]

I'd recommend franchising him 2 years.

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😃. Sounds about right!

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[quote=rocnrik;1219711]😃. Sounds about right![/quote]

60% of the time that strategy works every time.

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[quote=rocnrik;1219708]I agree with everything you said except what happens if Case plays lights out this year?? Now we have a problem 😬 he will want a long contract ... Cousins part 2...I won’t be surprised at all if Case plays very well ...[/quote]

How is Case Keenum going to play well? With the current state of the Redskin's supporting cast on offense Aaron Rodgers would struggle to throw for 3500 yards and 20 TDS.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1219717]How is Case Keenum going to play well? With the current state of the Redskin's supporting cast on offense Aaron Rodgers would struggle to throw for 3500 yards and 20 TDS.[/quote]

Left guard and WR are our main problems, you trade down het extra picks, your LG or WR in the 1st or second (vice versa) with the additional 2nd rounder you get your future QB (could also wait till the 3rd round) and instead get a pass rusher.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1219718]Left guard and WR are our main problems, you trade down het extra picks, your LG or WR in the 1st or second (vice versa) with the additional 2nd rounder you get your future QB (could also wait till the 3rd round) and instead get a pass rusher.[/quote]

You forgot about tight end.

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2017 was a career year for Keenum, he was on a loaded offense. Highly doubtful he ever matches that type of production. Last year was more reflective of the type of QB he is.


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To be fair, Denver Broncos win-loss record under head coach Vance Joseph and GM John Elway:
2017 5-11 last place in AFC west
2018. 6-10 3rd place in AFC west (with Case Keenum)

No way you can blame Case Keenum. Plus now Elway signed Flaco. They are a team in decline regardless of QB.

The almost same talent loaded Vikings team that Case came one game away from one game away from Super Bowl failed last year with Cousins.
I think there is too much emphasis on QB when judging a teams season.
Even the top QB’s Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees fail when the team around them are bad.
Just like Rosen hopefuls defend his lack of accomplishments by saying he was on bad Cardinal and to lesser extent UCLA team.

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From JpFinlay "the Redskins are not done at QB, they will add another before may (draft). Rosen still very much in play "

I like this strategy

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[quote=MTK;1219724]2017 was a career year for Keenum, he was on a loaded offense. Highly doubtful he ever matches that type of production. Last year was more reflective of the type of QB he is.


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This...

IMO he and Colt are basically the same guy. I give the edge to Keenum simply because he is durable.

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You guys are going to be surprised... Case is a much better Qb than you think.. go watch his poise in games on the line in 2017 when he went 1 game from Super Bowl! We need some wr’s .. if we get some receiver help the O could be okay!

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[quote=rocnrik;1219737]You guys are going to be surprised... Case is a much better Qb than you think.. go watch his poise in games on the line in 2017 when he went 1 game from Super Bowl! We need some wr’s .. if we get some receiver help the O could be okay![/quote]

We could do a lot worse than Keenum on 3.5 million. As long as we draft a guy as well, this is about as good as a job as possible by the FO.

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[quote=rocnrik;1219737]You guys are going to be surprised... Case is a much better Qb than you think.. go watch his poise in games on the line in 2017 when he went 1 game from Super Bowl! We need some wr’s .. if we get some receiver help the O could be okay![/quote]

If he is the starter (Rosen is in play still) I would expect Case to have a decent yr, 20 tds 13 ints type season. It's who he is

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Case last year vs the blitz.

85 Passer rating (league avg 92)

Vs Pressure = 50.5 (league avg. 67)

Passer rating when kept clean = 96.7 (103)

No blitz = 80.2 (92)

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[quote=rocnrik;1219737]You guys are going to be surprised... Case is a much better Qb than you think.. go watch his poise in games on the line in 2017 when he went 1 game from Super Bowl! We need some wr’s .. if we get some receiver help the O could be okay![/quote]

Not me, I wanted him instead of Alex Smith. Minnesota had a pretty good OL, Diggs, Thielen and Rudolph. Our OL if we draft a young LG in the 1st two rounds we could have a dominant OL. I think Keenum would as good as he did in Minn. if not better.

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He better than Check down Alex that is for sure.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1219747]Not me, I wanted him instead of Alex Smith. Minnesota had a pretty good OL, Diggs, Thielen and Rudolph. Our OL if we draft a young LG in the 1st two rounds we could have a dominant OL. I think Keenum would as good as he did in Minn. if not better.[/quote]

I think w/ Keenum, he's seem more of a gunslinger and is willing to take more chances. Probably a guy that Jay will like, vs Smith who basically had to be forced to throw a ball over 10 yards by KC's coaches.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1219764]He better than Check down Alex that is for sure.[/QUOTE]



Stop

Case is a borderline starter



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[QUOTE=MTK;1219766]Stop

Case is a borderline starter



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Lol all of the sudden Case Keenum is a good QB1. Stop folks, he had a career yr in Minnesota with a loaded offense around him. Overall he's very avg, it won't be a huge upgrade on Alex. That's if he is even the starter day 1

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You guys maybe right about Case being just a ho hum so so QB that is not much better than colt .. but adding him to roster for basically nothing is a upgrade with potential of a great upside.. I’m not at all sold on josh Rosen .. I hope we let colt and Case battle it out .. maybe pick a qb in 3rd or 4th rnd unless we can get Rosen for 3rd .. I would never trade our #15 for a qb that the worst team in league has given up on.. there is a reason AZ wants to move on.. just saying

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1219769]You guys maybe right about Case being just a ho hum so so QB that is not much better than colt .. but adding him to roster for basically nothing is a upgrade with potential of a great upside.. I’m not at all sold on josh Rosen .. I hope we let colt and Case battle it out .. maybe pick a qb in 3rd or 4th rnd unless we can get Rosen for 3rd .. I would never trade our #15 for a qb that the worst team in league has given up on.. there is a reason AZ wants to move on.. just saying[/QUOTE]I don't think we ever were going to offer the 15 pick for Rosen. I'd imagine a 3rd is likely but even if they don't trade for him, you have to draft a rookie QB like Lock or Jones to come in and learn for a yr

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[quote=MTK;1219766]Stop

Case is a borderline starter



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote] Check down Alex is not a starter. He's not even a capable back up. He's third stringers at best that we paid like an all pro.

[quote=skinsfaninok;1219768]Lol all of the sudden Case Keenum is a good QB1. Stop folks, he had a career yr in Minnesota with a loaded offense around him. Overall he's very avg, it won't be a huge upgrade on Alex. That's if he is even the starter day 1

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote] Bullshit! Anyone who can pass for more than 200 yards a game is a upgrade over Check Down Alex.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1219768]Lol all of the sudden Case Keenum is a good QB1. Stop folks, he had a career yr in Minnesota with a loaded offense around him. Overall he's very avg, it won't be a huge upgrade on Alex. That's if he is even the starter day 1

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I think someone saying Keenum is better than Smith is a bit ridiculous. But he must have done something right in Minnesota in 2017. I mean if the team was that loaded, then they should have easily made the playoffs in 2018 with a supposedly better QB (and didn't).

That being said, I do think he's average and it is going to take a lot for him or any other average QB to do something with this team next season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1219774]I think someone saying Keenum is better than Smith is a bit ridiculous. But he must have done something right in Minnesota in 2017. I mean if the team was that loaded, then they should have easily made the playoffs in 2018 with a supposedly better QB (and didn't).

That being said, I do think he's average and it is going to take a lot for him or any other average QB to do something with this team next season.[/quote]

Are you saying that Check Down Alex was better than average?

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Check Smith’s career numbers and wins vs Keenum, it’s not even a question that Smith is far better


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Keenum is an experienced backup-quality NFL QB who cost the Skins next to nothing. I have no problem whatsoever with this deal.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1219789]Keenum is an experienced backup-quality NFL QB who cost the Skins next to nothing. I have no problem whatsoever with this deal.[/quote]

Yeah this is the right big picture perspective. Also, because they didn't sign someone via free agency, this deal won't count against them in the compensatory pick formula.

If they signed Teddy Bridgewater say for $8M per season, then Crowder leaving for $8M per season wouldn't net them a compensatory pick because they balance out in the formula.

It's one more way to get an advantage with compensatory picks: acquire players via trade without giving up much. Also, sign guys who were cut this year as opposed to signing guys who left due to expiring contracts. That also boosts your chances in the compensatory formula.

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I do believe that Colt will be our opening day starter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1219796]I do believe that Colt will be our opening day starter.[/quote]

I think I agree. The question is how long will he stay our starter? Jay will be coaching for his job, he'll have no choice to keep him on a short leash. If he starts getting careless with the ball he'll go to Case.

And then you just wonder if McCoy's body can even hold up long enough to make it to week 5, even if he's successful.

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And then you just wonder if McCoy's body can even hold up long enough to make it to week 5, even if he's successful.[/quote]

That is really the bigger concern for me. I like Colt and i want him to get his chance to start... but we know it won't last long. He's going to get hurt.

For that reason, i think the team is better of keeping Colt on the bench, where he can focus on helping Keenum and whatever other young QB we bring in learn the offense.

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I didn't have a problem with this trade. We really didn't give up anything to note, and we got them to take half the salary.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1219796]I do believe that Colt will be our opening day starter.[/quote]

Not Rosen???

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Guys Colt McCoy is a back up at best

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1219904]Not Rosen???[/QUOTE]I still think Rosen is in play. Also if it is between Colt and Case it's not even close. Case is the guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1219916]I still think Rosen is in play. Also if it is between Colt and Case it's not even close. Case is the guy

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I do too. Either that or the 'skins draft a quarterback. Looks like they may need to draft a wide receiver as well.

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[quote=MTK;1219784]Check Smith’s career numbers and wins vs Keenum, it’s not even a question that Smith is far better


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Trent Dilfer sucked and he won a Superbowl. That doesn't mean he was any good. Alex Smith only passed for 4000 yards one time. He played for two great coaches on extremely talented teams. Both of those great coaches replaced him because they knew he wasn't worthy shit. Case Keenum is a average qb. I'm not saying he's a world beater. All I'm saying is that he can throw for more than 200 yards a game. That only is an upgrade from Check Down Alex.

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[quote=bigant;1219908]Guys Colt McCoy is a back up at best[/quote]

There are a lot of teams where he would be a third stringer