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[quote=AnonEmouse;1223098]Likely they restructure Davis. I'd say he still has better capability than Sprinkle or Flanagan, as he showed when Reed was injured. Plus he always seems healthy unlike Reed.[/quote]

Vernon Davis cant block at all. we need TE who blocks. Reed is a better blocker than Davis...especially when healthy. VD shouldn't be on the team and def should not be making 6 mill.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223099]Vernon Davis cant block at all. we need TE who blocks. Reed is a better blocker than Davis...especially when healthy. VD shouldn't be on the team and def should not be making 6 mill.[/quote]


Vernon Davis is getting too old for the NFL. He had some significant drops last year. Time to bring in the new blood or get a FA TE on a one year contract to see what he has.

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Every single draft pick is an excellent addition to the team.....I can see only one or two being on the practice squad.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223099]Vernon Davis cant block at all. we need TE who blocks. [B]Reed is a better blocker than Davis...especially when healthy.[/B] VD shouldn't be on the team and def should not be making 6 mill.[/quote]

That was a joke, right? Davis is not as good a blocker as [U]Reed[/U]? C'mon, man!

I don't think of Flanigan in the same category as Davis and Reed. He is strictly a role player whose role is to block, either as a TE or as a FB.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1223133]That was a joke, right? Davis is not as good a blocker as [U]Reed[/U]? C'mon, man!

I don't think of Flanigan in the same category as Davis and Reed. He is strictly a role player whose role is to block, either as a TE or as a FB.[/quote]

yup...very true. VD is old, is it that hard to believe...both do a below avg job. VD is a one trick pony at this time and too many drops at pivotal times...he's not worth a roster spot. Cut him after June 1 and sign Tre Boston.

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-matt-ioannidis-will-continue-to-push-the-pocket-in-washington-after-three-year-extension[/url]

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Sweat had a 84.9 PFF rushing grade in 2018. That is insane. Really excited to see him pair with RK

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VD has been our only deep threat the past few seasons.
We should move away from him but not without getting someone better to replace him.

All our TEs are one trick ponies.
We need a complete TE.

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[quote=jamf;1223137]VD has been our only deep threat the past few seasons.
We should move away from him but not without getting someone better to replace him.

All our TEs are one trick ponies.
We need a complete TE.[/quote]

We need to get more out of the TE position, for sure. Hopefully with our run-first approach they can find some holes in coverage.

I'm sure Reed can still make life easier for Haskins as well. Who knows, we might see a resurgence from the position if Haskins can distribute like he did at OSU.

As for our TE's blocking? ... Yeah, we need an upgrade.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223135][url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-matt-ioannidis-will-continue-to-push-the-pocket-in-washington-after-three-year-extension[/url][/quote]

Wow! I had no idea that Matt I. graded [B]that[/B] high as a pass rusher. Nice to know he'll be on our side for the next three seasons.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1223144]Wow! I had no idea that Matt I. graded [B]that[/B] high as a pass rusher. Nice to know he'll be on our side for the next three seasons.[/quote]

The whole starting d-line, all drafted by us over the past few seasons. Settle could end up being a stud too. I love it.

Draft them, coach them, reward them.

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I caught the end of who I believe was Dianna Russini interview with the Junkies this morning driving into work. Her contacts in the organization said the draft war room was looking hard at Safeties and Tight Ends prospects but couldn't get either this draft. Interior Oline, Pass Rusher and Wide Receivers were the focus coming into the draft and not necessarily QB.

She said the Haskins pick at 15 caused a lil tension because Sweat was on the board but the move back into the 1st for Sweat killed all tensions and everyone was really thrilled.

Sweat apparently was the choice of mostly everybody, except the most important man in the Organization...Danny.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223147]I caught the end of who I believe was Dianna Russini interview with the Junkies this morning driving into work. Her contacts in the organization said the draft war room was looking hard at Safeties and Tight Ends prospects but couldn't get either this draft. Interior Oline, Pass Rusher and Wide Receivers were the focus coming into the draft and not necessarily QB.

She said the Haskins pick at 15 caused a lil tension because Sweat was on the board but the move back into the 1st for Sweat killed all tensions and everyone was really thrilled.

Sweat apparently was the choice of mostly everybody, except the most important man in the Organization...Danny.[/quote]

Gruden all but confirmed that Sweat was their 1st choice at 15. I get why Snyder did what he did. It was a business, talent and need decision, probably in that order. I just hope it all works out. When Snyder gets involved w/ the QB's it turns into a total failure.

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[quote=Chico23231;1223147]I caught the end of who I believe was Dianna Russini interview with the Junkies this morning driving into work. Her contacts in the organization said the draft war room was looking hard at Safeties and Tight Ends prospects but couldn't get either this draft. Interior Oline, Pass Rusher and Wide Receivers were the focus coming into the draft and not necessarily QB.

She said the Haskins pick at 15 caused a lil tension because Sweat was on the board but the move back into the 1st for Sweat killed all tensions and everyone was really thrilled.

Sweat apparently was the choice of mostly everybody, except the most important man in the Organization...Danny.[/quote]

To be fair, the Redskins just saw what happened to the Giants when they passed up a potential franchise QB in last year's draft. Because of it, they ended up reaching for a QB at #6.

As Andrew Brandt says, Management and Coaches will always have different views when it comes to the draft (future vs. now). And I think the team should be given a lot of credit for being patient and making moves to address the need of both sides.

Also, I find it interested that a lot of the BS that the likes of Junkies were reporting (i.e. trading up, Snyder taking over the draft) probably made Gettleman panic may have contributed to them taking Jones so early. For one, misinformation helped the Redskins in the draft.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223151]Gruden all but confirmed that Sweat was their 1st choice at 15. I get why Snyder did what he did. It was a business, talent and need decision, probably in that order. I just hope it all works out. When Snyder gets involved w/ the QB's it turns into a total failure.[/quote]

I not only get why Snyder wanted Haskins, but I'd even go a step further and say that while Gruden probably wanted Sweat at 15, Snyder did the right thing by overruling him. Gruden is coaching for this year only, he doesn't care about the long term, not unless he gets extended. So Dan is right to ignore his voice.

Now if Kyle Smith and Doug Williams are saying go Sweat over Haskins and Snyder is overruling them, then I have an issue. That's where you worry.

And I don't give a shit what Bruce Allen thinks about anything.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1223152]To be fair, the Redskins just saw what happened to the Giants when they passed up a potential franchise QB in last year's draft. Because of it, they ended up reaching for a QB at #6.

As Andrew Brandt says, Management and Coaches will always have different views when it comes to the draft (future vs. now). And I think the team should be given a lot of credit for being patient and making moves to address the need of both sides.

Also, I find it interested that a lot of the BS that the likes of Junkies were reporting (i.e. trading up, Snyder taking over the draft) probably made Gettleman panic may have contributed to them taking Jones so early. [B]For one, misinformation helped the Redskins in the draft.[/B][/quote]

And give credit where it's due, Bruce is the king of deflection and misinformation. The press never gets a straight answer out of the guy.

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Im listening to Dianna Russini now on Sheenhan based on folks she talked to in the building: Scouts and folks were told in the building...1. "There were NEVER gonna trade up 2. IF Haskins was there at 15...that's the pick. PERIOD. Dan's call 100% 3. After the draft, the building was really happy with the entire draft.

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Credit where it's due to Snyder. If it was him driving the Haskins train, he could have forced a trade up to ensure he'd get his guy. But he didn't, he stayed patient. Remarkable that I'm saying that about him, but if we're being intellectually honest, credit where it's due.

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Diane said this...and this is comforting, Grudan should have the authority to start Keenum over Haskins week 1 and its most likely to happen. Dan will be happy to get "his guy" but Gruden has enough clout to start Keenum as long as he makes the case, Haskins isn't ready. Folks in the building believe Keenum can effectively run Gruden offense over Haskins.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1223161]Diane said this...and this is comforting, Grudan should have the authority to start Keenum over Haskins week 1 and its most likely to happen. Dan will be happy to get "his guy" but Gruden has enough clout to start Keenum as long as he makes the case, Haskins isn't ready. Folks in the building believe Keenum can effectively run Gruden offense over Haskins.[/QUOTE]Personally I hope that the Redskins don't start Haskins at all...what I mean is that I hope that Haskins is brought along slowly, and not rushed like RG3 was.

While I personally was not a big fan of drafting Haskins, I do admit that he has a lot of talent and I definitely want to see him succeed with the Redskins.

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[quote=Schneed10;1223160]Credit where it's due to Snyder. If it was him driving the Haskins train, he could have forced a trade up to ensure he'd get his guy. But he didn't, he stayed patient. Remarkable that I'm saying that about him, but if we're being intellectually honest, credit where it's due.[/quote]

To be honest, Dan has done a solid job of late. Even with not budging on Kirk's contract

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Dianna Russini was on Sheehan's podcast today and she stood by her reporting last week. She had atleast two sources in the front office who confirmed the following:

- Regarding Haskins, it was Bruce and Dan vs. everybody - Coaches, scouts, including Kyle Smith.
- Dan wanted Haskins and did take control.
- The staff was frustrated and felt "why are we here providing our advice if he's not going to listen to us?"
- They were resigned to the fact that Snyder was going to take Haskins at 15, so they did not fight it very hard. They knew they were powerless.
- If the football people had had their way, they would have stuck to their board and taken BPA at 15, and it probably would have been a defensive player
- The football people had Daniel Jones as the top QB in the draft.
- Knowing Snyder was determined to take a QB, they did make a push on the day of the draft to convince him and Bruce that Jones would be the better pick, but she is not sure how hard of a push it was, since everyone knew Bruce and Dan would not be budged.

Now on to the good news:
- Bruce and Dan would not have traded up from 15 for Haskins.
- There was a divide in the organization, but its will likely not have any long-term implications. Jay is very well liked and easy going. He does not hold grudges and this will all be forgotten as soon as the media stops talking about it.
- The RG3 disaster still looms over Snyder. Diana does not think he will meddle or push the staff to start Haskins. He will be patient and let the coaches do their jobs.
- Case will almost certainly start.

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For once, I agree with Dan Snyder and the overall decision to draft for a long-term franchise QB over the BPA - Edge rusher Sweat. Gruden is coaching for this year only because he knows he's on the razor's edge. He knows that he will need a strong defense to carry the team and hopefully get him a winning season and an extension to his contract.

[B]The NFL winning teams all have long-term franchise QB[/B]. We don't have one and haven't had one for 20 years except for the Kirk Cousins years. But I agree with the team's decision to let cousins go, because he just didn't have that extra factor that makes your team a winner.

I'm not sure about letting Haskins sit out a season. He needs experience badly and that comes from playing. Most of the teams that draft a franchise QB are playing them the first year - even though that means you'll see some ugly rookie mistakes. But then they improve the next season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223165]To be honest, Dan has done a solid job of late. Even with not budging on Kirk's contract[/quote]

Agree. I think he started getting better with Gibbs II. No where near good, but improving. Since Jay sat Robert I think the organization has been pretty good, including Kirk.

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[quote=Kope;1223173]Agree. I think he started getting better with Gibbs II. No where near good, but improving. Since Jay sat Robert I think the organization has been pretty good, including Kirk.[/quote]

Good call. I hated it at the moment but it seems to have a been a turning point.

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[quote=Kope;1223173]Agree. I think he started getting better with Gibbs II. No where near good, but improving. Since Jay sat Robert I think the organization has been pretty good, including Kirk.[/quote]

Dan Snyder has given Gruden 7 seasons to win, instead of his firing a coach after a season or two. I just wish he would dump Bruce Allen and hire a real GM - then let him do his job.

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[quote=Warthog;1223180][B]Dan Snyder has given Gruden 7 seasons to win, i[/B]nstead of his firing a coach after a season or two. I just wish he would dump Bruce Allen and hire a real GM - then let him do his job.[/quote]

Incorrect. Gruden is going into his 6th season.

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Snyder still fails because he needs someone to be his buffer. He's too much of a chicken shit to come out and talk to the media himself. Even with a fan base that's dwindling he just keeps quiet.

However, the minute the media says how well the Redskins did in the draft, here comes Bruce out of his cave sticking his chest out. That shit makes me sick really. What the fuck did Bruce actually do? Hand in the draft cards? Agree with Snyder to draft Haskins? He's such an ass kissing little bitch. I still can't stand that guy.

Smith runs the draft, yet I wouldn't know him if he passed me on the street. I'm sure at some point he's going to leave here because he doesn't want to deal with the nonsense over at Redskin Park.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223195]Snyder still fails because he needs someone to be his buffer. He's too much of a chicken shit to come out and talk to the media himself. Even with a fan base that's dwindling he just keeps quiet.

However, the minute the media says how well the Redskins did in the draft, here comes Bruce out of his cave sticking his chest out. That shit makes me sick really. What the fuck did Bruce actually do? Hand in the draft cards? Agree with Snyder to draft Haskins? He's such an ass kissing little bitch. I still can't stand that guy.

Smith runs the draft, yet I wouldn't know him if he passed me on the street. I'm sure at some point he's going to leave here because he doesn't want to deal with the nonsense over at Redskin Park.[/quote]

I agree that Snyder likes having Allen around to soak up the heat. It makes sense.

Still, credit where it's due. The draft looks good from here and even though we can debate how much credit Allen deserves, he deserves part of the credit because we all know he's part of the process.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223195]Snyder still fails because he needs someone to be his buffer. He's too much of a chicken shit to come out and talk to the media himself. Even with a fan base that's dwindling he just keeps quiet.

However, the minute the media says how well the Redskins did in the draft, here comes Bruce out of his cave sticking his chest out. That shit makes me sick really. What the fuck did Bruce actually do? Hand in the draft cards? Agree with Snyder to draft Haskins? He's such an ass kissing little bitch. I still can't stand that guy.

Smith runs the draft, yet I wouldn't know him if he passed me on the street. I'm sure at some point he's going to leave here because he doesn't want to deal with the nonsense over at Redskin Park.[/quote]

I frankly don’t care if Bobo the Clown is our GM. If there are front office people that actually make sound draft and free agent decisions, Captain Dingleberry Allen can say or do whatever he wants. He’s really like the Queen of England, a powerless mouthpiece that represents the past.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223194]Incorrect. Gruden is going into his 6th season.[/quote]

Yup.....and heading into his 6th NFL season as a HC Jay Gruden is still well below .500....pathetic.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1223195]Snyder still fails because he needs someone to be his buffer. He's too much of a chicken shit to come out and talk to the media himself. Even with a fan base that's dwindling he just keeps quiet.

However, the minute the media says how well the Redskins did in the draft, here comes Bruce out of his cave sticking his chest out. [B]That shit makes me sick really. What the fuck did Bruce actually do? Hand in the draft cards? Agree with Snyder to draft Haskins? He's such an ass kissing little bitch. I still can't stand that guy. [/B]

Smith runs the draft, yet I wouldn't know him if he passed me on the street. I'm sure at some point he's going to leave here because he doesn't want to deal with the nonsense over at Redskin Park.[/quote]

Honestly I’m nervous about Snyder being the driving force behind Haskins. But shit, what can I do at this point? That rat fucker is always lurking. But I did think the draft went well, so lessens the thought of Snyder telling football guys who to draft.

But I’m gonna just try stay positive, keep drinking, hope we can add a safety and get ready for the season. I just can’t take another Ereck Flowers move.

The bold part was nice, made me laugh cause you know Bruce walks around reading his fucking headlines

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The Colts war room when Juicy Brucey called.

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Colts draft process is awesome stuff

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[URL="https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-director-college-scouting-kyle-smith--nfl-draft-breakdown-haskins-sweat"]Kyle Smith Breaks Down Every Pick In The Redskins' 2019 Draft Class[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1223237]Colts draft process is awesome stuff[/quote]

Did anyone else think it was weird that they didn't counter at all?

Like "Throw in a 6th and you've got a deal."

I mean, they called you, you didn't call them. Why not try to get at least something else out of it? I highly doubt Bruce would have hung up the phone if Ballard had asked for a 6th or 7th. He may have said no, of course, but I doubt that just asking would have killed the trade.

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[quote=MTK;1223263][URL="https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-director-college-scouting-kyle-smith--nfl-draft-breakdown-haskins-sweat"]Kyle Smith Breaks Down Every Pick In The Redskins' 2019 Draft Class[/URL][/quote]

Great read, I especially like the points made about Jimmy Moreland not shrinking or backing down against good competition in the East-West game and the Senior Bowl.

I'm obviously rooting for all of our draft picks but especially Jimmy Moreland.

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[quote=los panda;1223266]Did anyone else think it was weird that they didn't counter at all?

Like "Throw in a 6th and you've got a deal."

I mean, they called you, you didn't call them. Why not try to get at least something else out of it? I highly doubt Bruce would have hung up the phone if Ballard had asked for a 6th or 7th. He may have said no, of course, but I doubt that just asking would have killed the trade.[/quote]

Supposedly all the teams are using the same draft chart so they know what proper value is. I seem to recall reading that if the skins pick next year about the same they pick this year, the colts got a much better end of the deal. So i guess for them, its kind of like someone offering you $300 for your old phone. You have already checked craigslist and know they're giving you $50 more than anyone else would. You're not going to be greedy and ask for more. You're just going to say yes and feel happy you accomplished what you want and got more than fair market value.

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I've been buying a lot of retro video games lately on eBay. Many of them using the "Best Offer" function and I'm disappointed when the seller accepts my first offer.

I'm like "Well darn, I know I got a good deal here but a dollar or two less would have been an even better deal." Two or three of those and I could have afforded to buy an additional game with the savings.

I'm also selling some retro games on eBay, with "Buy It Now" pricing in addition to using the "Best Offer" function. And it blows my mind when someone just buys it now at the full list price instead of making me an offer at a lower price.

Absolutely nothing to lose, because I can decline all their offers and they can still "Buy It Now" at the end of the day.

I get that each team uses similar charts if not the exact same chart, but the chart can't possibly tell them exactly where a team will finish the upcoming season and their draft order the next year.

"Bruce, you guys just got a great QB, your picks next year are going to be a lot lower than 15th out of 32, throw in a 6th rounder and I'm DTF."