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[QUOTE=FWD Skins;1225949]They'll probably continue to target him 2-3 times a game and then bitch that he isn't catching 10 passes a game. This organization is run by idiots.



Doctson will go elsewhere and make the Skins look completely stupid, which they are.[/QUOTE]He has had ample chances here. He is simply wr bust.

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[quote=FWD Skins;1225949]They'll probably continue to target him 2-3 times a game and then bitch that he isn't catching 10 passes a game. This organization is run by idiots.

Doctson will go elsewhere and make the Skins look completely stupid, which they are.[/quote]

Because we've let three 1,000 yd WR go to other teams and with reed often hurt, Doctson has had PLENTY of chances. If he wasn't a #1 draft pick I think they would have let him go already. Cam Sims, Tret Quinn and MacLaurin are moving up fast. If he can't make it here with one of the worst WR groups in the NFL (based on last years numbers) why would anyone else want him?

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1225953]Because we've let three 1,000 yd WR go to other teams and with reed often hurt, Doctson has had PLENTY of chances. If he wasn't a #1 draft pick I think they would have let him go already. Cam Sims, Tret Quinn and MacLaurin are moving up fast. If he can't make it here with one of the worst WR groups in the NFL (based on last years numbers) why would anyone else want him?[/QUOTE]



Doctson has had 4 seasons to show what he’s got. He’s been mediocre. If he doesn’t seriously bust out this year, the ‘skins won’t keep him and no one else will want him either


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[quote=Warthog;1226047]Doctson has had 4 seasons to show what he’s got. [B]He’s been mediocre.[/B] If he doesn’t seriously bust out this year, the ‘skins won’t keep him and no one else will want him either


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Truly, it is a stretch to label Doctson as mediocre. He hasn't even achieved that level. He is a poor NFL receiver who might be long gone from here by now if he hadn't been a 1st round draft pick.

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Hmmm...

It depends on hours the others do too some degree too, but it's tricky in and of itself. If he does too well, it'll be difficult to sign him, and if he doesn't do enough, good riddance.

I'd say 6TD 600yds would be about the sweet spot.

Honestly though getting hype about Josh is futile at this point, he's a wuss, he has one great ability that he only delivers on half the time, and even if he has a breakout year of 10TDs and 900yards or something, no chance we could afford to keep him.

My best case scenario...

By week 4 he's got 5TD and 500 yds and we can trade him for a 5th rounder to a contender with WR injuries.

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I think Docston is one of those players who does well in training camp but can't do it on the football field. He's got real competition this year from hungry, talented, fast and young rookies and second-year WR. Either he steps up his game on the field or he will be passed by guys like Quinn, Sims (both of them), MacLaurin and Harmon.

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I think the team will drop Doctson in the pre-season. Here’s my thinking,

McLaurin is outplaying him in TC. He’s a rookie and has more upside including being a #1 WR on the cheap. He’s going to be another Chris Coolie.

Let’s say Doctson has a good season. He’s going to want a big contract. Does the team give it to him based on one good season out of five? NO WAY! This team let 1000 yds WR go to other teams DJAx, Garçon and Crowder, but they’re going to keep Doctson based on one good season?

So if he has a good season he ends up on another team.

If he has a normal Doctson season then the team let a good rookie or 2nd year WR go, who might have a real future with the Redskins.

Gruden is talking up Doctson to help him get a place on another team.

I’d take Cam Sims or Harmon or perhaps Davis over Doctson. They are younger, cheaper, better and may have a future with the ‘skins.


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I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut, but still thinks he makes the team. He needs to be at least reasonably impressive in the preseason. I really like Sims' size, Davis' athleticism, and heard a lot of other positive stuff about a lot of the other new guys (Mclaurin, etc.) Gruden needs to play him v. Cincy. Still stunned he didn't play v. Cleveland.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1226668]I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut, but still thinks he makes the team. He needs to be at least reasonably impressive in the preseason. I really like Sims' size, Davis' athleticism, and heard a lot of other positive stuff about a lot of the other new guys (Mclaurin, etc.) Gruden needs to play him v. Cincy. Still stunned he didn't play v. Cleveland.[/quote]

I hate to point this out to you, but a lot of the "starters" didn't play in the Cleveland game. That could mean that he is considered to be a starter. Heaven help us, Gruden is probably planning to start him even though he surely won't be with us next season. That's a Jay Gruden-like thing to do.

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To answer the original question, I think Doctson would rejoin the team in 2020 if he put up 150 receptions, 2k yards, 25 td's, and became the best blocking WR on the team. Anything less and he's gone.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1226677]I hate to point this out to you, but a lot of the "starters" didn't play in the Cleveland game. That could mean that he is considered to be a starter. Heaven help us, Gruden is probably planning to start him even though he surely won't be with us next season. That's a Jay Gruden-like thing to do.[/quote]I realize that a lot of starters didn't play v. Cleveland, but wr is a super competitive unit this year with the talent present. Share the same notion that it may be a forgone conclusion that Docston starts. I want him to earn it though with Sims, Davis, Harmon, etc hungry to make this team and contribute.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1226684]I realize that a lot of starters didn't play v. Cleveland, but wr is a super competitive unit this year with the talent present. Share the same notion that it may be a forgone conclusion that Docston starts. I want him to earn it though with Sims, Davis, Harmon, etc hungry to make this team and contribute.[/quote]

Doctson will start until his pissy attitude combined with one of the other guys stepping up makes it easy to drop him down the depth chart. The other guys are just unproven right now.

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[quote=mooby;1226688]Doctson will start until his pissy attitude combined with one of the other guys stepping up makes it easy to drop him down the depth chart. The other guys are just unproven right now.[/quote]Agreed. He better be deserving of starting though. These other guys appear hungry and talented. Really wanna see what they can do the next couple preseason games.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1226677]I hate to point this out to you, but a lot of the "starters" didn't play in the Cleveland game. That could mean that he is considered to be a starter. Heaven help us, Gruden is probably planning to start him even though he surely won't be with us next season. That's a Jay Gruden-like thing to do.[/QUOTE]It could mean that or it could mean they are trying to trade him and didnt want him to get hurt, or it could mean they know what he brings and want to look at the rest of the wrs. I hope that it does not mean that he is the penciled starter over c sims or r davis

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1226697]It could mean that or it could mean they are trying to trade him and didnt want him to get hurt, or it could mean they know what he brings and want to look at the rest of the wrs. I hope that it does not mean that he is the penciled starter over c sims or r davis

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote]If they are trying to trade him, that would be covert and interesting. I'd jump at a 3rd at this point and consider a 4th. Call me crazy, but I gotta feeling about these new guys. Still wanna give Robert Davis a real shot. Dude is sick athletically.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1226715]If they are trying to trade him, that would be covert and interesting. I'd jump at a 3rd at this point and consider a 4th. Call me crazy, but I gotta feeling about these new guys. Still wanna give Robert Davis a real shot. Dude is sick athletically.[/quote]

There is no chance to get a 3rd in 2020, maybe in 2050 or so. He has one year left on his contract and if he has a good year he will be hard to resign.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1226717]There is no chance to get a 3rd in 2020, maybe in 2050 or so. He has one year left on his contract and if he has a good year he will be hard to resign.[/quote]I tend to agree. Doctson even thinks he's hitting FA next season according to his comments. At least, he should be motivated considering he's in a contract year.

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he's done

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A 3rd for Doctson? :rofl:

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[quote=MTK;1226747]A 3rd for Doctson? :rofl:[/quote]

:laughing-

Re: What kind of production does Doctson need in 2019 to stay with on them team ?
 

Keim said that Josh is having an average camp, the guy just isn't any good

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Gruden didn’t play his starters at WR in the first pre-season game:

Richardson
Doctson
McLaurin

At least Gruden is letting one rookie rise up. Davis has had a very good camp and had an excellent first PS game. If he continues to have this level of PS why wouldn’t he move into Doctson’s spot?

Same thing with Cam Sims. Cam is better than Doctson. Harmon is the #6 WR for the team.

I just don’t see the Gruden love with Doctson. If he has a great season he’s going to another team. If he has his normal season, he won’t be re-signed. There are younger, bigger, cheaper, faster and hungrier WR on the team NOW. They should be moved up over Doctson. As George Allen used to say: the future is now!


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Doc may not make the team. I think his roster spot is in trouble. His value right now is probably a 6th rounder, maybe.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1226781]Doc may not make the team. I think his roster spot is in trouble. His value right now is probably a 6th rounder, maybe.[/quote]

Keim said last year they called around...nobody wanted him.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1226787]Keim said last year they called around...nobody wanted him.[/QUOTE]



Yeah, last year the redskins had one of the worst WR crews in the NFL. If we don’t want him, who would? Gruden can’t talk him up enough to get any interest. Another first round draft pick down the drain. I don’t think he will survive the PS.


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[quote=Warthog;1226774]Gruden didn’t play his starters at WR in the first pre-season game:

Richardson
Doctson
McLaurin

At least Gruden is letting one rookie rise up. Davis has had a very good camp and had an excellent first PS game. If he continues to have this level of PS why wouldn’t he move into Doctson’s spot?

Same thing with Cam Sims. Cam is better than Doctson. Harmon is the #6 WR for the team.

I just don’t see the Gruden love with Doctson. If he has a great season he’s going to another team. If he has his normal season, he won’t be re-signed. There are younger, bigger, cheaper, faster and hungrier WR on the team NOW. They should be moved up over Doctson. As George Allen used to say: the future is now!


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When did McLaurin become the starter over Quinn? Quinn is the only WR on the team who has been identified by the HC and WR Coach as a [U]lock[/U] at his position, the slot.

Of course you're correct in pointing out the futility of starting Doctson but what has Davis done to deserve that spot? He caught a TD when wide open because of a blown assignment in the first preseason game. That's it.

McLaurin should claim a starting role when Doctson fails and is either benched or cut (or has a boo-boo) or when Richardson is broken in half by a DB. JG says McLaurin is learning all three positions, so he should become a key reserve.

I think Cam Simms is a very exciting player who should get more playing time as the season goes on and he continues to improve his craft.

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I think I heard Chris Russell say driving in this morning that Doctson liked the Sua instagram post about the medical shit.

Both were completely awful draft picks by the drunk

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[quote=Chico23231;1226819]I think I heard Chris Russell say driving in this morning that Doctson liked the Sua instagram post about the medical shit.

Both were completely awful draft picks by the drunk[/quote]

McLovin was criminally overrated. That was a terrible draft. He missed in the two easiest rounds, 1st and 2nd.

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McLaurin has had a tremendous training camp by all accounts. He was held out of the PS game #1 like all the other starters ( as were Richardson and Doctson). He’s in the top 3 slots at WR right now.

Quinn was “penciled in” at slot by Gruden early in TC. He’s had a very good camp and caught one pass in the first game.

Cam Sims has had an excellent camp and caught one pass.

Harmon also has done well for a rookie.

Davis caught a broken play TD and couple other passes, as well a recovering from a bad injury. Very good TC.

Kidsy caught the most passes in game one.

Point being that the WR group is VERY much improved over last year. Doctson will not be able to sit and under-produce as usual for him. He’s getting way too much pressure from below in TC and in the PS games. I think he gets passed up in the next few weeks and is let go.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1226817]When did McLaurin become the starter over Quinn? Quinn is the only WR on the team who has been identified by the HC and WR Coach as a [U]lock[/U] at his position, the slot.

Of course you're correct in pointing out the futility of starting Doctson but what has Davis done to deserve that spot? He caught a TD when wide open because of a blown assignment in the first preseason game. That's it.

McLaurin should claim a starting role when Doctson fails and is either benched or cut (or has a boo-boo) or when Richardson is broken in half by a DB. JG says McLaurin is learning all three positions, so he should become a key reserve.

I think Cam Simms is a very exciting player who should get more playing time as the season goes on and he continues to improve his craft.[/quote]

From the vibe I'm getting McLaurin will be starting on the outside, Quinn in the slot. Unless we keep 7 WRs it's going to be tough for Doctson to make the cut.

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[quote=Warthog;1226823]Quinn was “penciled in” at slot by Gruden early in TC. He’s had a very good camp and caught one pass in the first game.

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This is from redskins.com dated August 1, 2019:

[I][B]Quinn already has the slot receiver spot "pretty much locked down," head coach Jay Gruden told reporters Tuesday.[/B]

"When it's time to catch the ball, he's going to make the play and get separation," Gruden said of Quinn. "I think he has shown that ability the time that we've had him here."[/I]

Is that enough for me to conclude that Quinn has "locked down" the slot job?

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[quote=MTK;1226824]From the vibe I'm getting McLaurin will be starting on the outside, Quinn in the slot. Unless we keep 7 WRs it's going to be tough for Doctson to make the cut.[/quote]


Terry Mc
Quinn
PRICH
Sims


Are all making the team, the rest are ?s

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226837]Terry Mc
Quinn
PRICH
Sims


Are all making the team, the rest are ?s[/quote]

I'd add Harmon and I feel pretty good about Davis making it too.

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Yeah Harmon should make it as well, so Doc is probably out

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226839]Yeah Harmon should make it as well, so Doc is probably out[/quote]

Best hope is we can get some sucker to give up a 7th for him

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[quote=MTK;1226840]Best hope is we can get some sucker to give up a 7th for him[/quote]

It could happen but highly doubtful, the skins can't pick WRs in the 1st round for shit

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I stuck up for Doctson long enough. Sometimes you just gotta cut a man loose.

Give me:

Starters: McLaurin, Quinn, Richardson

Backups: Sims, Harmon, Davis

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1226843]It could happen but highly doubtful, the skins can't pick WRs in the 1st round for shit[/quote]
You think that is bad, look at our last 10 years of second round picks!

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[quote=jamf;1226877]You think that is bad, look at our last 10 years of second round picks![/quote]

Guice will make up for all of 'em. HTTR

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They should have just cut Doc after he liked Cravens' comments on Trent. Enough already. Cut your losses and admit he's a bust.