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[quote=Schneed10;1239901]This thread has plenty of shots being taken, some humorous, some trifling, but in an effort to actually have meaningful discussion in here, I'll try to touch on why Chico's right that this won't work (even though he probably has no idea why it won't work). Sorry Chico, had to take a trifling shot in the spirit of the thread.

With Obamacare, the exchanges gave people an option they could choose to gain coverage, sometimes with subsidies, for cheaper rates than they could otherwise find on the market. The penalty for not having some form of coverage was a tax penalty. It was a good idea in theory but the costs of the plans offered on the exchanges skyrocketed after a few years, and many insurers pulled out of the exchanges altogether because they grew unprofitable. Why?

Think through the types of people who might be interested in signing up for the plans on the exchanges. To keep it simple for illustrative purposes, I'll bucket everyone into two groups:

- The healthy that didn't have insurance before
- The unhealthy that didn't have insurance before

The healthy folks looked at the cost of the plans on the exchanges, and they weighed it against the cost of paying the tax penalty for not having the insurance. They said hey, I never use the doctor or the hospital, I don't get sick, I'm good. While maybe not the most forward-thinking view, they determined it was cheaper and better for them to just pay the tax penalty.

Meanwhile, the unhealthy folks who used the doctor and the hospital and the pharmacy, they've been struggling to pay for their healthcare and they viewed the exchanges as a godsend. They rejoiced, FINALLY MORE AFFORDABLE INSURANCE, and they jumped at the chance to sign up for the exchanges. For them, the cost of paying the premiums for the exchange plan was pennies in comparison to paying the tax penalty plus the cost of paying for doctors and medicines out of pocket. So they signed up right away.

So now think about those two groups of people from the insurance plan's perspective. The plan goes: hey we just got a whole bunch of people signing up who need healthcare services. They're going to the doctor, they're getting prescriptions, they're at the hospital, and now we have to pay for those claims. Meanwhile, we didn't have as many of the healthy folks signing up as we thought we might. So we don't have them paying premiums into the plan. Insurers love healthy people who pay premiums into the plan - they collect the premium and they never have to pay for healthcare claims.

You can see. That's a mix destined for failure. It's a heavy mix of high-cost patients rushing into the plan, and not enough premium revenue coming in from healthier people. The plan can't sustain itself, insurers say hey we either need to double the premiums or we need to exit this market.

Failure.

The failure occurred because the healthy people weren't incentivized enough to sign up for the plan. Either the tax penalty needed to be more severe, severe enough to make them say hey signing up for the plan is actually cheaper. Or the law needed to just say you have to get insurance or criminal charges of some kind.

The idea was fine but the execution wasn't there.

Similar situation here with Warren. If she gives people the choice of whether to sign up for Medicare For All, she better make sure there are some nasty incentives to make people do it. Otherwise the sick will sign up, and the healthy won't, and this time instead of insurers failing and bailing on the exchanges, Medicare will fail and destroy our safety net.

Her plan carries immense risk, far more risk than Obamacare did. She'd be better off revisiting Obamacare and tweaking the law. But that horse is likely out of the barn, politically.

I'm a financial executive who works for a healthcare provider. My views expressed here are my own and should not in any way be viewed as representative of the views of my employer, who shall remain nameless in these forums.[/quote]
I agree with you !


Second I think this is the way to go.............


"................. far more risk than Obamacare did. She'd be better off revisiting Obamacare and tweaking the law. But that horse is likely out of the barn, politically."

It shouldn't be and trump has chopped it up enough were people don't give a crap about it but the general idea of Obamacare was good the law definitely need to be twerk ,it wouldn't have taken much but republican law makers were never going to fix it Mitch said as much,that made to much sense.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239916]So basically all of these healthcare plans depend on the black mailing of healthy tax payers being forced to buy something they don't want or need? Yeah, that doesn't sound like something we should support our government doing.[/quote]

Do you have any idea on how Insurance works?

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[quote=mooby;1239913]:laughing- I thought the guy definitely looked similar to Biden too.

Also Schneed, that's probably the best argument I've ever heard against Medicare-for-all. +1 for bringing a well thought-out argument to the table.

Things that need fixing:

Price gouging on life-saving medications like Epipens. Companies should have to provide justification if they are going to jack up the rate on anything over a certain percent (like the 5000% price increases which have become more common in the last decade or so)

People filing for medical bankruptcy after sustaining a major injury. Is it fair that someone should die or be bankrupt for the rest of their life because of an accident that may or may not have been their fault? Just to clarify on this as well, I'm not advocating for someone with no insurance who gets into an accident that is their fault. I'm advocating for people who have insurance who get into accidents that aren't their fault and end up in medical bankruptcy because they'll never be able to afford to pay off their medical bills in their lifetime.

I could get into it about how a system that values profit over human life is broken but I also recognize that on this board, with this audience, it's most likely going to be unpopular.[/quote]

That did make me laugh.

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[quote=mooby;1239926]Nobody wants or needs health insurance until they actually need it.

Imagine a world where I can get into an accident and only then I have to buy health insurance to pay for my injuries. I like it![/quote]

Insurance is a legalize Ponzi scheme.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1239902]Schneed,

I heard that one of the other issues was that the federal government and insurance providers genuinely were unaware of exactly how unhealthy uninsured American are I am assuming there is truth to that?

It also sounds like you are saying that as long as we do things half assed and have uninsured people we will be stuck with a shitty system.[/quote]

Yes, there is truth to that. And they should have anticipated it, frankly. They should have realized that as soon as you offer people the chance to get their healthcare more affordably, those that NEED healthcare would be the first ones to jump at it. Those who needed it most were sick, quite sick.

And yes, I'd agree. You either need to go all the way, true single payer, no choices, we're all in it by law. Or you need to go all the other way, laissez-faire, no government intervention, let folks sink or swim, if the sick can't afford their health insurance they should get a f'n job and pay for it.

In the words of everyone's favorite sensei, Mr. Miyagi, "Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, get squish just like grape."

Which side of the street you fall upon largely depends on your view on individual responsibility to the shared collective. Some might say we all have a responsibility to one another to fully share the risk, and thus single payer is the only fair solution. Others might say we have no such obligation, my only obligation is to myself and my family, beyond that I'll decide who I want to help. And still others might say it doesn't matter what system you set up, Americans will continue to be unhealthy and overuse healthcare services until they take an ownership in their own wellness, so why should we prop up those who continue to make shitty life choices?

This is a difficult issue that, if you're capable of boiling it down, causes people to reflect on how far they're willing to go to help their fellow man. And even if they're willing, will it actually work?

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[quote=mooby;1239913]:laughing- I thought the guy definitely looked similar to Biden too.

Also Schneed, that's probably the best argument I've ever heard against Medicare-for-all. +1 for bringing a well thought-out argument to the table.

Things that need fixing:

Price gouging on life-saving medications like Epipens. Companies should have to provide justification if they are going to jack up the rate on anything over a certain percent (like the 5000% price increases which have become more common in the last decade or so)

People filing for medical bankruptcy after sustaining a major injury. Is it fair that someone should die or be bankrupt for the rest of their life because of an accident that may or may not have been their fault? Just to clarify on this as well, I'm not advocating for someone with no insurance who gets into an accident that is their fault. I'm advocating for people who have insurance who get into accidents that aren't their fault and end up in medical bankruptcy because they'll never be able to afford to pay off their medical bills in their lifetime.

I could get into it about how a system that values profit over human life is broken but I also recognize that on this board, with this audience, it's most likely going to be unpopular.[/quote]

Agree on price gouging with medicines. Seems like this could be prevented by allowing the original patent-holder for a drug to collect royalties on any generic versions that are sold after the five-year patent expires. You wouldn't need to jack prices up if you knew a drug you developed would continue driving an income stream after the first five years.

And agree on your point about minimum levels of coverage. The lowest level of coverage should definitely cover the costs of catastrophic events. If you get your insurance from an employer, and it doesn't cover to that level, that should not be permissible in my opinion.

If you bought it on the market yourself though, you should have known that's what you're buying. It's like if I buy only $100K of term life insurance coverage and when I die my wife and two girls are like shit this isn't enough, that's my wife's and my fault.

But plans offered through employers should definitely cover those things. The minimum essential coverage clause in Obamacare went a long way to helping with this but probably still need a bit more teeth.

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Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez Says U.S. Not an ‘Advanced Society’ at Bernie Rally: ‘It Is Fascism

[url]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/alexandra-ocasio-cortez-says-u-s-not-an-advanced-society-at-bernie-rally-it-is-fascism/[/url]

she doesn’t know what fascism means and she completely ignores the fact she went from a bartender to in Congress as a young, minority woman.

Because other fascist regimes this happened all the time.

Her and Bernie aren’t just socialist but Marxist with a soft spot for communism.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240591]Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez Says U.S. Not an ‘Advanced Society’ at Bernie Rally: ‘It Is Fascism

[url]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/alexandra-ocasio-cortez-says-u-s-not-an-advanced-society-at-bernie-rally-it-is-fascism/[/url]

she doesn’t know what fascism means and she completely ignores the fact she went from a bartender to in Congress as a young, minority woman.

Because other fascist regimes this happened all the time.

Her and Bernie aren’t just socialist but Marxist with a soft spot for communism.[/quote]

It's a shame you don't know what half the words you use mean.

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[quote=Chico23231;1240591]Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez Says U.S. Not an ‘Advanced Society’ at Bernie Rally: ‘It Is Fascism

[url]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/alexandra-ocasio-cortez-says-u-s-not-an-advanced-society-at-bernie-rally-it-is-fascism/[/url]

[B]she doesn’t know what fascism means and she completely ignores the fact she went from a bartender to in Congress as a young, minority woman.[/B]

Because other fascist regimes this happened all the time.

Her and Bernie aren’t just socialist but Marxist with a soft spot for communism.[/quote]

She bumped Maxine Waters out of the spotlight as the Democrat's minority woman who spews unfounded nonsense like a carnival barker with a bullhorn.
She has replaced Crazy Maxine filling that needed role in the Democrat party.

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[quote=Schneed10;1239945]Agree on price gouging with medicines. Seems like this could be prevented by allowing the original patent-holder for a drug to collect royalties on any generic versions that are sold after the five-year patent expires. You wouldn't need to jack prices up if you knew a drug you developed would continue driving an income stream after the first five years.
[/quote]

Good idea! Make them similar to USA patent laws.

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/warren-sanders-2020/index.html[/url]

Warren says Sanders told her a woman could not win in 2020: 'I thought a woman could win; he disagreed'

Lol...pretty terrible by Pocahontas..but shrewd. Most know CNN has been a mouthpiece for Warren.

My guess is Warren is lying about this...she lies a ton

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[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-liar-audio-released-today-democratic-debate-exchange/[/url]

I think you called me a liar on national TV": CNN releases audio between Warren and Sanders at Democratic debate

Warren is a proven liar...and this is a shit show

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[quote=Chico23231;1242936][url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/warren-sanders-2020/index.html[/url]

Warren says Sanders told her a woman could not win in 2020: 'I thought a woman could win; he disagreed'

Lol...pretty terrible by Pocahontas..but shrewd. Most know CNN has been a mouthpiece for Warren.

My guess is Warren is lying about this...she lies a ton[/quote]

My Guess is you're a secret Communist and love Bernie Sanders!

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[quote=Giantone;1243088]My Guess is you're a secret Communist and love Bernie Sanders![/quote]

As much as my political beliefs are quite opposite of his in my opinion he seems extremely trustworthy and truthful for a politician. I would pretty much believe his side of the story over anyone in politics if there was a dispute over who said what. He seems to have character that most politicians don't have.

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[quote=Giantone;1243088]My Guess is you're a secret Communist and love Bernie Sanders![/quote]

Bernie is more honest and steadfast in his beliefs...even if he is a commie. That's why he is doing better in the polls and why Warren is failing. She's an absolute disgrace to have her people leak this before the debate and then act like she didn't and doesn't want to talk about it. Bernie is not a sexiest and to paint him as one is very poor.

Also CNN carrying the water for her...are folks finally understanding why they cant be trusted and lie daily? Its amazing...Trump is 1000% right, they are fake news

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[quote=Chico23231;1243097]Bernie is more honest and steadfast in his beliefs...even if he is a commie. That's why he is doing better in the polls and why Warren is failing. She's an absolute disgrace to have her people leak this before the debate and then act like she didn't and doesn't want to talk about it. Bernie is not a sexiest and to paint him as one is very poor.

Also CNN carrying the water for her...are folks finally understanding why they cant be trusted and lie daily? Its amazing...Trump is 1000% right, they are fake news[/quote]

I find your posting pretty damn funny coming from a FOX loving trumpette as yourself.

......this is about the only time he didn't lie.


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[quote=Giantone;1243099]I find your posting pretty damn funny coming from a FOX loving trumpette as yourself.

......this is about the only time he didn't lie.


[IMG]https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half/public/field_blog_entry_images/Meme2.jpg?itok=MrqINKIn[/IMG][/quote]

gotcha, so 2 posts with no opinion on the actual issue. figured you bring nothing

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[quote=Chico23231;1243100]gotcha, so 2 posts with no opinion on the actual issue. figured you bring nothing[/quote]

LOL, you seriously don't know my opinion ? Even you can't be that stupid?From the entire debate .....this is what you come away with a Warren Sanders bickering fest???? Speaking of people with nothing?:stop:

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[quote=Giantone;1243101]LOL, you seriously don't know my opinion ?[B] Even you can't be that stupid[/B]?[/quote]

Third post, resort to insults and name calling. cool

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[quote=Chico23231;1243102]Third post, resort to insults and name calling. cool[/quote]

LOL, chico ...............are you finally out of spin???

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[url]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joy-reid-body-language-expert-says-elizabeth-warren-was-telling-the-truth-i-think-bernies-lying/[/url]

Joy Reid Body Language Expert Says Elizabeth Warren Was Telling the Truth: ‘I Think Bernie’s Lying’

They (media) are all in at this point for Warren. This has to be demoralizing if you are a Bernie supporter.

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[url]https://theweek.com/speedreads/890516/new-york-times-endorses-both-warren-klobuchar-president[/url]

Lol...what a shit show and completely nonsensical. And like I’ve said media is all in for Warren. The best opinion on it is this:

“Can’t wait for the billion dollar media corporation owned by millionaires to endorse the millionaire who tells us how bad millionaires, billionaires, and corporations are”

Well said!

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[quote=Chico23231;1243097]Bernie is more honest and steadfast in his beliefs...even if he is a commie. That's why he is doing better in the polls and why Warren is failing. She's an absolute disgrace to have her people leak this before the debate and then act like she didn't and doesn't want to talk about it. Bernie is not a sexiest and to paint him as one is very poor.

Also CNN carrying the water for her...are folks finally understanding why they cant be trusted and lie daily? Its amazing...Trump is 1000% right, they are fake news[/quote]

Chico23231
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[url]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joy-reid...bernies-lying/[/url]

Joy Reid Body Language Expert Says Elizabeth Warren Was Telling the Truth: ‘I Think Bernie’s Lying’

They (media) are all in at this point for Warren. This has to be demoralizing if you are a Bernie supporter.




..........you mean like you? You seem to support Communism when not supporting your dictator president trump.

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[quote=Giantone;1243264]Chico23231
Re: Democratic Primary Push for White House
[url]https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joy-reid...bernies-lying/[/url]

Joy Reid Body Language Expert Says Elizabeth Warren Was Telling the Truth: ‘I Think Bernie’s Lying’

They (media) are all in at this point for Warren. This has to be demoralizing if you are a Bernie supporter.




..........you mean like you? You seem to support Communism when not supporting your dictator president trump.[/quote]

I think it’s clear to anyone with a brain to see I certainly don’t agree with anything Bernie says BUT I strongly disagree with a media-lead take down of Bernie, once again. It was disgusting what CNN did to him last week only for it to be continued by Joy “homophob” Reid and the times.

Probably the best line in the Times endorsement of Warren is stating she is a “gifted storyteller”....the comedy writes itself..she lied about being an Indian and lied about being fired for being preggers. Gifted storyteller...lololololol.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243271]I think it’s clear to anyone with a brain to see I certainly don’t agree with anything Bernie says BUT I strongly disagree with a media-lead take down of Bernie, once again. It was disgusting what CNN did to him last week only for it to be continued by Joy “homophob” Reid and the times.

Probably the best line in the Times endorsement of Warren is stating she is a “gifted storyteller”....the comedy writes itself..she lied about being an Indian and lied about being fired for being preggers. Gifted storyteller...lololololol.[/quote]

LOL, and..........you back trump .That right there is the biggest reason not to believe a word you say , type or print.

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[quote=Giantone;1243273]LOL, and..........you back trump .That right there is the biggest reason not to believe a word you say , [B]type or print.[/B][/quote]

Nice distinction

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[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-for-dollar50m-over-russian-asset-remark/ar-BBZdFbS?ocid=ientp[/url]

Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50M over 'Russian asset' remark

Gotta laugh my ass off at the completely uninformed comments that some are obsessed with Hillary when she continues to aggressively insert herself in the conversation every chance she gets.

Its not just GOP but Democrats who hate her and who she hates...Bernie and Gabbard clear examples just in the last week.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243278]Nice distinction[/quote]

............well you need to read your own post's if you have any questions.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243407][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-for-dollar50m-over-russian-asset-remark/ar-BBZdFbS?ocid=ientp[/url]

Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50M over 'Russian asset' remark

Gotta laugh my ass off at the completely uninformed comments that some are obsessed with Hillary when she continues to aggressively insert herself in the conversation every chance she gets.

Its not just GOP but Democrats who hate her and who she hates...Bernie and Gabbard clear examples just in the last week.[/quote]

LOL, kinda the way you follow her?To make yourself forget about how bad trump really is.

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[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1220814449751351297[/url]
.
@AndrewYang
says Democrats should be going on Fox News and criticizes the DNC for not letting the channel host a Democratic debate: "How can you win an election and bring the country together if you literally won't talk to 40 or 50% of the population?"

Smartest thing I’ve heard from a dem candidate this year...bravo to being “brave”enough to say we should have a conversation with everyone in the country to explain our position. You are a certified coward to believe differently.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243571][url]https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1220814449751351297[/url]
.
@AndrewYang
says Democrats should be going on Fox News and criticizes the DNC for not letting the channel host a Democratic debate: "How can you win an election and bring the country together if you literally won't talk to 40 or 50% of the population?"

Smartest thing I’ve heard from a dem candidate this year...bravo to being “brave”enough to say we should have a conversation with everyone in the country to explain our position. You are a certified coward to believe differently.[/quote]

I agree. How they expect to win the election by tuning out half the country is ridiculous.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243407][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-for-dollar50m-over-russian-asset-remark/ar-BBZdFbS?ocid=ientp[/url]

Tulsi Gabbard sues Hillary Clinton for $50M over 'Russian asset' remark

[B]Gotta laugh my ass off at the completely uninformed comments that some are obsessed with Hillary when she continues to aggressively insert herself in the conversation every chance she gets. [/B]

Its not just GOP but Democrats who hate her and who she hates...Bernie and Gabbard clear examples just in the last week.[/quote]

If my memory serves me correctly I can't remember one candidate in my lifetime that lost the presidential election in this country that didn't immediately remove themselves from the public eye or an ex-president after their term is up. Yet today we have Hillary, Barack and his wife constantly in the news running their mouths.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1243574]If my memory serves me correctly I can't remember one candidate in my lifetime that lost the presidential election in this country that didn't immediately remove themselves from the public eye or an ex-president after their term is up. Yet today we have Hillary, Barack and his wife constantly in the news running their mouths.[/quote]

LOL, trump cult obsession with Hillary and Obama shows up again!

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[quote=Giantone;1243575]LOL, trump cult obsession with Hillary and Obama shows up again![/quote]

I am not a Trump supporter and I have told you that dozens of times. You obviously are so obsessed with your Trump bashing your reading comprehension is piss poor.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1243574]If my memory serves me correctly I can't remember one candidate in my lifetime that lost the presidential election in this country that didn't immediately remove themselves from the public eye or an ex-president after their term is up. Yet today we have Hillary, Barack and his wife constantly in the news running their mouths.[/quote]

Hillary has been out of the news for a while, up until recently. She would do well to stay out of the news, as every time she opens her mouth, she just makes herself look worse.

The Obama's are not regularly in the news [U]for political issues.[/U] They have active careers and so they are still in the public eye. I have no problem with this. I'm pretty sure when Trump is out of office, he'll remain in the public eye (I think he was planning some sort of "Trump TV" channel prior to the election in the event he lost), and I would bet that will be firing on all cylinders this time next year if he loses the election. And I've got no problem with that either. Presidents should not be forced to go into exile when they retire (unless they want to live a private life)

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1243576]I am not a Trump supporter and I have told you that dozens of times. You obviously are so obsessed with your Trump bashing your reading comprehension is piss poor.[/quote]

Yes you have yet your post's say other wise.

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Wow, just wow. Iowa caucuses had significant failures of process. Multiple choice reasons:

A) Trump did it
B) They didn't want to take the time to get the numbers
C) Dammit Bernie - we aren't handing out participation trophies
D) Dammit Joe - we thought you said Hunter knew how to set up the app
E) all of the above

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Maybe Trump should ask the Russians to count the Caucus numbers?

Seriously though - last election they had their servers hacked, this time there app crashes for counting. I mean we aren't talking ground breaking app functionality. Candidate, 1st assignment, 2nd assignment, delegates

3 data points per candidate.

Wow!

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You can not make this up

[Quote]One county chair says he's giving up trying to call in results tonight

From CNN’s Kelly Mena

Des Moines County Democratic Co-chair Tom Courtney tells CNN that he tried for 15-30 minutes to send in results on the mobile app before giving up and calling in to the hotline.
When that didn’t work either, he made plans to call in the results tomorrow morning.*

"I will try tomorrow, but I have a doctor's appointment in the morning so it might be 10 a.m. by the time I turn in results," Courtney said.

[B]He had 118 caucus goers, down from more than 200 from past election cycles[/B]. His caucus ended around 8:30 p.m. local time.

[/Quote]



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Complete disaster and a shit show...but not surprised. But somehow these people want more government to dictate their life. Another embarrassment for the DNC, and the conspiracy theories repeating on mainstream media are laughable.