Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227116]Haskins was better last night, have to see the film but u can tell he is getting there slowly[/quote]He did. Seems to read blitzes and pre snaps very well which is a huge attribute for any NFL qb yet alone a rookie. Missed a few passes but that should come. Seems very intelligent also from his presnaps and interview. Happy we drafted him for our future qb.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Haven't seen him take on a first string defense yet. At the same time, haven't seen him play with Reed and McLaurin yet, and with support from the starting RBs.

Definitely better. Some of the bad throws were in spots where the defense didn't have a shot at it, high and long on a couple deep or sideline shots.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1227124]Haven't seen him take on a first string defense yet. At the same time, haven't seen him play with Reed and McLaurin yet, and with support from the starting RBs.

Definitely better. Some of the bad throws were in spots where the defense didn't have a shot at it, high and long on a couple deep or sideline shots.[/quote]Yeah I think we'll get even more of a preview of him next week. Game 3 should be more revealing for sure. I honestly think letting him observe for awhile and polish a few of his mechanics are going to work wonders for Haskins. He clearly has a ton of raw talent and skill.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

I would start him next week with the 1's and give him the 1st half.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=The Skinsinator;1227122]He did. Seems to read blitzes and pre snaps very well which is a huge attribute for any NFL qb yet alone a rookie. Missed a few passes but that should come. Seems very intelligent also from his presnaps and interview. Happy we drafted him for our future qb.[/quote]

He's as smart as it gets for reading a defense, it's actually his greatest attribute

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227128]He's as smart as it gets for reading a defense, it's actually his greatest attribute[/quote]

I did love seeing him identify the blitz and communicate the protection on the TD throw to Davis. The line didn't really pick it up well, despite knowing it was coming, thanks to Haskins. But he saw it, recognized it, communicated it, and trusted his line to make the block. He then stood in there understanding he'd get hit and delivered a strike. It showed maturity.

If he were to start Week 1 against Philly I'm still convinced he'd turn the ball over several times. Then again Keenum might, too. That defensive line is good and no matter who it is we'd have to win via the ground game and sound defense.

Maybe it is worth giving Haskins some run against Atlanta's 1s with our starting offense. To at least get a feel for where he is.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1227131]I did love seeing him identify the blitz and communicate the protection on the TD throw to Davis. The line didn't really pick it up well, despite knowing it was coming, thanks to Haskins. But he saw it, recognized it, communicated it, and trusted his line to make the block. He then stood in there understanding he'd get hit and delivered a strike. It showed maturity.

If he were to start Week 1 against Philly I'm still convinced he'd turn the ball over several times. Then again Keenum might, too. That defensive line is good and no matter who it is we'd have to win via the ground game and sound defense.

Maybe it is worth giving Haskins some run against Atlanta's 1s with our starting offense. To at least get a feel for where he is.[/quote]

I would do that if I was Jay, IMO QB's do not learn better on the bench, they need reps. As far as Philly goes, if we can't protect the ball we will get killed

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1227127]I would start him next week with the 1's and give him the 1st half.[/quote]

Id give Keenum the first drive with the 1s and then let Haskins go with the ones rest of half. Still want Haskins to think Keenum is the one.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

I think Keenum needs to start for now. Haskins will get his first start in due time.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

My damn power went out just when the game started and didn't come back till it was over. It seemed like normally Redskin hating MSN had good things to say about Haskins. Was his footwork any better from game one?

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1227150]My damn power went out just when the game started and didn't come back till it was over. It seemed like normally Redskin hating MSN had good things to say about Haskins. Was his footwork any better from game one?[/quote]

[url]https://youtu.be/fikRYYqwv5o[/url]

The video will show you all Haskins's throwing plays

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227128]He's as smart as it gets for reading a defense, it's actually his greatest attribute[/quote]That is quite the combination with his cannon attached to his body and how big he is. Love his confidence also and the fact that he came from a big time program where he excelled in big games. I prefer big qbs for numerous reasons in this league. Haskins is gonna be the man in DC ultimately!

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=GridIron26;1227153][url]https://youtu.be/fikRYYqwv5o[/url]

The video will show you all Haskins's throwing plays[/quote]

Thanks, perfect. I have Verizon Wireless for internet and only 15GB a month, so I definitely didn't want to watch the whole game.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

I like the idea of giving both Keenum and Haskins some time with the 1's to see where they are at. I'm excited for Haskins, though. Of course, I had to go upstairs and put my son to bed and when I had gotten back down stairs to keep watching the game (was watching a stream on the computer), Haskins had just thrown that strike to Davis! Can't believe I missed it! Got to see the replay though and man, what a pretty play!

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=metalskins;1227164]I like the idea of giving both Keenum and Haskins some time with the 1's to see where they are at. I'm excited for Haskins, though. Of course, I had to go upstairs and put my son to bed and when I had gotten back down stairs to keep watching the game (was watching a stream on the computer), Haskins had just thrown that strike to Davis! Can't believe I missed it! Got to see the replay though and man, what a pretty play![/quote]

How old is your son? What kind of parent are you not allowing him a later bed time if the Redskins are on.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Word is Case will start week 3 which means he's pretty much the QB1 and I'm fine with that for Philly

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227250]Word is Case will start week 3 which means he's pretty much the QB1 and I'm fine with that for Philly[/quote]I sure hope we see a lot of the starters in this one. They really need the reps. I felt Case has looked fine in his limited action. I feel many are underestimating his experience overall in the NFL.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Half of us are gonna be pissed, half indifferent. Me, I don't care who starts, I just want whoever won the position to start. Hope that's the case here and not just a default decision.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

I say let Haskins start week 4 with the starters for 2 series just to gauge him. I think it's pretty established by now he's going to be riding the bench in the regular season until Keenum loses the job.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227250]Word is Case will start week 3 which means he's pretty much the QB1 and I'm fine with that for Philly[/quote]

Yes cuz I seem to remember Case playing so well against Philly the last time.. lol, but I mean sure let him get beat up cuz our line is sub par and their front 7 is pretty strong. I still think we'll get blown out by their defense and ours will try it's bet to keep us in the game but will get gassed and gashed like usual. Seen this movie before. We don't have a QB or a coach that can game plan and adjust well enough to give us a fighting chance against an opponent who (disgustingly sadly and boils my blood) out matches us

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=Meks;1227296]Yes cuz I seem to remember Case playing so well against Philly the last time.. lol, but I mean sure let him get beat up cuz our line is sub par and their front 7 is pretty strong. I still think we'll get blown out by their defense and ours will try it's bet to keep us in the game but will get gassed and gashed like usual. Seen this movie before. We don't have a QB or a coach that can game plan and adjust well enough to give us a fighting chance against an opponent who (disgustingly sadly and boils my blood) out matches us[/quote]

I actually think we can beat them IF we take care of the football.. We do need a big play or 2 downfield to help the run game.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Wish we’d start Haskins against Atlanta and give him the whole first half with the starters. We know what we’ve got in Case.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=MTK;1227298]Wish we’d start Haskins against Atlanta and give him the whole first half with the starters. We know what we’ve got in Case.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

That would be nice but I'm sure Case will get the first half unfortunately

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Jay's got to play for his job, so he has every incentive to play the guy who is ready now. He knows what Keenum is - he knows he's got the lowest risk of turning the ball over, which will work best with his defense & run game oriented team.

The only way starting Haskins becomes a consideration for Jay is if the front office makes him. They could easily say hey we don't think we're going to be real good anyway and force him to start the rookie.

But then you introduce the possibility of Jay throwing up his hands and the locker room disengaging, and none of that is good.

Starting Keenum makes the most sense if you're trying to win games this year. And I'd argue that if you want to build a culture that's worth a crap, you need to try to win every year, no matter what. Play the best guy. Haskins will be the best guy some day, but he's not now.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=Schneed10;1227300]Jay's got to play for his job, so he has every incentive to play the guy who is ready now. He knows what Keenum is - he knows he's got the lowest risk of turning the ball over, which will work best with his defense & run game oriented team.

The only way starting Haskins becomes a consideration for Jay is if the front office makes him. They could easily say hey we don't think we're going to be real good anyway and force him to start the rookie.

But then you introduce the possibility of Jay throwing up his hands and the locker room disengaging, and none of that is good.

Starting Keenum makes the most sense if you're trying to win games this year. And I'd argue that if you want to build a culture that's worth a crap, you need to try to win every year, no matter what. Play the best guy. Haskins will be the best guy some day, but he's not now.[/quote]


And to add to this, in all reality Haskins isn't ready to start. It would be different if we didn't have Case, I'm fine with DH sitting this yr

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Barring a career season from Case at some point Haskins is going to play. It’s going to take a strong start to the season to justify not making the switch once we get into October or so.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Case will be what Alex was , low risk throws and that is what Jay is wanting.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1227301]And to add to this, in all reality Haskins isn't ready to start. It would be different if we didn't have Case, I'm fine with DH sitting this yr[/QUOTE]This [emoji115]

My feelings exactly!

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=MTK;1227298]Wish we’d start Haskins against Atlanta and give him the whole first half with the starters. We know what we’ve got in Case.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

Gruden, and most NFL coaches, would never do that at this point

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Correct!
Keenum is in a new system with new teammates so he needs the snaps to prepare for game 1.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

IMO, the best case scenario is to have Case and the current team somehow get us to the playoffs and have Dwayne take over next season (the way that Mahommes took over in his second season).

I know Dwayne is the future, but this team needs some fucking wins and to catch a break from all this unlucky injury crap.

I know we know what Case Keenum is all about and he's not great, but perhaps he can do enough to prevent us from having a losing season. Maybe we get lucky, and we get 2017 Case Keenum, after all he did enough that year for Minnesota to go to the playoffs. And before people say that team was loaded, that very same team almost had the same record as us last year.

Unless Dwayne lights it up and wins from the get go, I'd prefer this other route.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1227309]....



I know we know what Case Keenum is all about and he's not great, but perhaps he can do enough to prevent us from having a losing season. Maybe we get lucky, and we get 2017 Case Keenum, after all he did enough that year for Minnesota to go to the playoffs. And before people say that team was loaded, that very same team almost had the same record as us last year.



Unless Dwayne lights it up and wins from the get go, I'd prefer this other route.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with everything you said!

I see absolutely no reason to start Dwayne Haskins this season.

Like you I do hope that Case Keenum can get the Redskins a few wins, and at least get the Redskins either a winning record or at least to 8-8.

Having seen parts of the last two preseason games, and highlights from the games, my personal opinion of Dwayne Haskins is that he has a lot of talent, but right now it is raw talent and he still needs some additional experience.

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=kct1975;1227310]I completely agree with everything you said!

I see absolutely no reason to start Dwayne Haskins this season.

[B]Like you I do hope that Case Keenum can get the Redskins a few wins, and at least get the Redskins either a winning record or at least to 8-8.[/B]

Having seen parts of the last two preseason games, and highlights from the games, my personal opinion of Dwayne Haskins is that he has a lot of talent, but right now it is raw talent and he still needs some additional experience.

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk[/quote]

FYI, Keenum started 16 last year w/ a top defense and won 6.

I just don't understand playing a career journeymen cause he might make less mistakes. That he can manage the game to maybe keep us competitive. Screw that. He also can't make throws like Haskins made to Davis. Instant offense.

If Gruden was truly a good coach he could craft a game plan where he'd put in plays that Haskins is comfortable with. He'd take 15 plays or so right out of Ohio State's playbook. He'd cut down his plays and use basic formations. Throw more on first down where he can max protect. If he did these things then I see no reason why you don't start the rookie. If he struggles then put in Case.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

If we start slow which is very possible I say Haskins is starting by week 6 at the latest.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=MTK;1227313]If we start slow which is very possible I say Haskins is starting by week 6 at the latest.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]

it would have to be a 2-4 start or so. Hopefully Case comes in and balls out, i'm all for it

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227315]it would have to be a 2-4 start or so. Hopefully Case comes in and balls out, i'm all for it[/quote]

I could very easily see a 2-4 start to the season.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

Week 6 is a pretty good ways into the season, Haskins could make significant progress between now and then. If he's the best option at that point of course, throw him in.

I'd make him show it in practice, though. Not much good comes from disrupting the pecking order in the locker room. You need to play the best guy. It's not just the coaches who will be able to see it, the rest of the players will too.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1227315]it would have to be a 2-4 start or so. Hopefully Case comes in and balls out, i'm all for it[/quote]

I assume you’ve looked at the schedule. So who, other than the Giants are the Redskins going to beat in their first six games? The Cowboys, maybe? So 2 and four is actually optimistic, in my view. Even with Alex Smith. I mean, did you even see Keenum with the Broncos? How many games did they win with him?

So if that’s the record that will bring Haskins into the lineup, he will certainly be starting before midseason. Unless you are convinced that you will harm Haskins somehow by starting him earlier he should be in there with a game plan that fits his skill set at that time. If you believe he is the long term answer, there really is little reason to wait. Possibly losing an extra game in what is likely to be a sub .500 season cannot be the reason.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

I am sure this has been said before, but as much as I like Colt as a person, him being out of this QB race gives Case more time with the #1 offense and Dwayne much needed playing time throughout the preseason; which IMO is better for the team than having reps split among three QBs.

Re: Dwayne Haskins preseason thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1227324]I am sure this has been said before, but as much as I like Colt as a person, him being out of this QB race gives Case more time with the #1 offense and Dwayne much needed playing time throughout the preseason; which IMO is better for the team than having reps split among three QBs.[/quote]I have never considered this point but it is valid. I wanna give Keenum a fair shake and start him. Haskins will be the man long term, but Keenum is the better qb to start at this point. Many are discrediting his experience and moderate NFL success.

Regarding Keenum, I anticipate him to be between Alex Smith and Kirk Cousins regarding passing aggressiveness. Think he take more chances than Smith for those stating he'll be a Smith clone.