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Is Eli gonna cry again?

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Eli Manning’s tenure as Giants starter:

* 56,471 passing yards, 362 passing TD, 241 INT
* Led team to two Super Bowl wins
* Two-time Super Bowl MVP
* 116-116 record in 232 starts
* Four-time Pro Bowler
* Never missed time due to injury

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ESPN power rankings has Washington only ahead of the Giants and Dolphins.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1230551]Eli Manning’s tenure as Giants starter:

* 56,471 passing yards, 362 passing TD, 241 INT
* Led team to two Super Bowl wins
* Two-time Super Bowl MVP
* 116-116 record in 232 starts
* Four-time Pro Bowler
* Never missed time due to injury[/quote]

by led team you mean was carried by a few choice WR's and a serious defense? Right I agree.

Lol not knocking the guy that hard im half kidding. He used to be good and I used to hate playing against him. When it's your time tho? It's your time.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230554]ESPN power rankings has Washington only ahead of the Giants and Dolphins.[/quote]

Can't argue it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1230551]Eli Manning’s tenure as Giants starter:

* 56,471 passing yards, 362 passing TD, 241 INT
* Led team to two Super Bowl wins
* Two-time Super Bowl MVP
* 116-116 record in 232 starts
* Four-time Pro Bowler
* Never missed time due to injury[/quote]


.................and never threw a team mate under the bus!

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The HOF debate for Eli will be interesting. Can't take away those 2 SB wins but a .500 overall record? Gross.

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[quote=MTK;1230570]The HOF debate for Eli will be interesting. Can't take away those 2 SB wins but a .500 overall record? Gross.[/quote]

if he just would won 1, no way he gets in

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[quote=MTK;1230570]The HOF debate for Eli will be interesting. Can't take away those 2 SB wins but a .500 overall record? Gross.[/quote]

Without looking I think Dan Fouts had a .500 overall record and never even made it to a Super Bowl.

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[quote=MTK;1230570]The HOF debate for Eli will be interesting. Can't take away those 2 SB wins but a .500 overall record? Gross.[/quote]

I have no doubt Eli will be in the HOF. The discussion should be whether or not he is 'first ballot'.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1230580]I have no doubt Eli will be in the HOF. The discussion should be whether or not he is 'first ballot'.[/quote]

Has Eli ever had an elite season that ranked amongst the best qb's in the NFL? He's had plenty of above average years, and plenty of "led the league in picks" years but I can't recall one season where he just steamrolled through everybody. Other than that all he's got is 2 titles. With that W-L record I'm really not sure he's worthy.

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[quote=MTK;1230570]The HOF debate for Eli will be interesting. Can't take away those 2 SB wins but a .500 overall record? Gross.[/quote]

I agree. In Baltimore the local sports media has a consensus that his in the HOF just not a first ballot but I am not sold. He had several good years but played in the Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers era.

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His career INT numbers have to compare really poorly to others who are in the HOF. I haven't looked at the numbers, just going off gut.

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Check out this list. Look for the bolded names, those are the active QBs. Look where Eli ranks among them, among the worst who played long enough to qualify.

We're in an age where if you're getting 2.5% or more of your passes intercepted, it's not good. Eli is at 3.0%.

Aikman and Marino were both at 3.0% too but they played in a downfield era. Their 3.0% was very good compared to the peers [U]of their era[/U]. By comparison, Steve Young and Joe Montana were 2.6%. Andy Dalton is a career 2.6% guy in this era.

3.0% from Eli should keep him out, in my opinion.

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_perc_career.htm[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1230583]His career INT numbers have to compare really poorly to others who are in the HOF. I haven't looked at the numbers, just going off gut.[/quote]

What about Favre?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230586]What about Favre?[/quote]

Favre was a unique circumstance, he also led the league in a whole bunch of career categories when he retired. Eli doesn't have that.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230579]Without looking I think Dan Fouts had a .500 overall record and never even made it to a Super Bowl.[/quote]

Fouts was 86-84-1

Tough to compare these guys across different eras. Fouts would put up stupid stats in today's game.

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[quote=mooby;1230581]Has Eli ever had an elite season that ranked amongst the best qb's in the NFL? He's had plenty of above average years, and plenty of "led the league in picks" years but I can't recall one season where he just steamrolled through everybody. Other than that all he's got is 2 titles. With that W-L record I'm really not sure he's worthy.[/quote]

Perhaps the question to ask is how many other QB's that are 2-time Super Bowl Champions and 2-time Super Bowl MVPs that ARE NOT in the HOF?

He's getting in despite your good argument.

Last name 'Manning', the so-called 'First Family or Football'. He would get in with 1 ring.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1230592]Perhaps the question to ask is how many other QB's that are 2-time Super Bowl Champions and 2-time Super Bowl MVPs that ARE NOT in the HOF?

He's getting in despite your good argument.

Last name 'Manning', the so-called 'First Family or Football'. He would get in with 1 ring.[/quote]

HOF is about the body of work, not just getting a pair of rings. I think he's out.

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Eli is a HOF QB but not first ballot

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11 NFL quarterbacks have won 2 or more Super Bowls 3 are still playing. Of the 7 eligible for the Hall of Fame only Jim Plunkett isn't in the hall. Plunkett never made a Pro Bowl and his stats weren't impressive compared to others in his era.
His success was later in his career on his 3rd team the Raiders, even there his lost his job multiple times.

I think Eli will get in, but it will probably take a while as you have a lot of class A quarterbacks who will all be retiring around the same time along with Eli. Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers are all mid 30's or older.

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[quote=mooby;1230593]HOF is about the body of work, not just getting a pair of rings. I think he's out.[/quote]

There are 5 players that have won more than 1 Super Bowl MVP. The other 4 are in the HOF. The 5th is Eli.

There are 3 HOF QBs that are in the hall without a winning record. Eli would make it 4.

Agree that his regular season is pedestrian at best. But his post season runs are damn near historic. He may not get in first ballot. But I think he gets in.

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[quote=MTK;1230591]Fouts was 86-84-1

Tough to compare these guys across different eras. Fouts would put up stupid stats in today's game.[/quote]

Problem is with today's rules and their enforcement those Charger defenses of Fouts era would be giving up 40+ points a game.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1230598]There are 5 players that have won more than 1 Super Bowl MVP. The other 4 are in the HOF. The 5th is Eli.

There are 3 HOF QBs that are in the hall without a winning record. Eli would make it 4.

Agree that his regular season is pedestrian at best. But his post season runs are damn near historic. He may not get in first ballot. But I think he gets in.[/quote]

His two post season runs are historic, but not because he dominated, because he was clutch. That's it. That's all he's got to hang his hat on.

Are you gonna put up the d-lines from those years for election too? Because they were a huge reason why Eli has 2 rings.

And finally, how many of those 5 qb's with multiple SB MVP's aren't named Brady or played mostly after the year 2000?

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[quote=mooby;1230602]His two post season runs are historic, but not because he dominated, because he was clutch. That's it. That's all he's got to hang his hat on.

Are you gonna put up the d-lines from those years for election too? Because they were a huge reason why Eli has 2 rings.

And finally, how many of those 5 qb's with multiple SB MVP's aren't named Brady or played mostly after the year 2000?[/quote]

You open a new can...love it. Strahan from the same run is already in the HOF. So yeah, you can toss that D Line in.

The others (not named Brady) are named Montana, Starr and Bradshaw.

All this talk about Eli and the Hall when what I am most worried about is what if Gettleman was right and Daniel Jones just SHREDS the NFC East this year.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;1230608]You open a new can...love it. Strahan from the same run is already in the HOF. So yeah, you can toss that D Line in.



The others (not named Brady) are named Montana, Starr and Bradshaw.



All this talk about Eli and the Hall when what I am most worried about is what if Gettleman was right and Daniel Jones just SHREDS the NFC East this year.[/QUOTE]



Yeah, Daniel Jones surprises everyone by doing well. Meanwhile, the “pamper our new QB” crowd will be happy to see Case Keenum win 5 Games and have Haskins ride the pine all season because he might face a real pass rush. He might even get tackled! The horror.

If Haskins sits out one season, why not two, because the OL is in transition and it’s a new playbook next year?Players learn SO MUCH from the sidelines. He also can’t get hurt if they doesn’t play!


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[quote=sandtrapjack;1230598][B]There are 5 players that have won more than 1 Super Bowl MVP. [/B]The other 4 are in the HOF. The 5th is Eli.

There are 3 HOF QBs that are in the hall without a winning record. Eli would make it 4.

Agree that his regular season is pedestrian at best. But his post season runs are damn near historic. He may not get in first ballot. But I think he gets in.[/quote]

Without looking it up and knowing the quarterback often wins the SB MVP I would think the 4 would be the crowd that has quarterbacked 3 or more SB wins. Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman. How many did I get right?

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[quote=Warthog;1230621]Yeah, Daniel Jones surprises everyone by doing well. Meanwhile, the “pamper our new QB” crowd will be happy to see Case Keenum win 5 Games and have Haskins ride the pine all season because he might face a real pass rush. He might even get tackled! The horror.

If Haskins sits out one season, why not two, because the OL is in transition and it’s a new playbook next year?Players learn SO MUCH from the sidelines. He also can’t get hurt if they doesn’t play!


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I wouldnt mind Haskins getting in this year,but I would like to have him sit for a while.Cleveland ruined many a qbs sticking them in there right away,Texans did it with Carr,theres always exceptions but skins are cursed

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[quote=htownskinfan;1230623]I wouldnt mind Haskins getting in this year,but I would like to have him sit for a while.Cleveland ruined many a qbs sticking them in there right away,Texans did it with Carr,theres always exceptions but skins are cursed[/quote]

I would argue that the QBs in Clev were not any good to begin with. Same w/ Carr. Haskins will get in there at some point. Especially when the losses keep piling up.

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[quote=Warthog;1230621]Yeah, Daniel Jones surprises everyone by doing well. Meanwhile, the “pamper our new QB” crowd will be happy to see Case Keenum win 5 Games and have Haskins ride the pine all season because he might face a real pass rush. He might even get tackled! The horror.

If Haskins sits out one season, why not two, because the OL is in transition and it’s a new playbook next year?Players learn SO MUCH from the sidelines. He also can’t get hurt if they doesn’t play!


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I think it really boils down to the fact that they thought (still think) they can compete and win now, and Case gives them a better chance to do that right now. It's not a matter of them being afraid he will get tackled.

Giants made the same decision, only they think their rookie gives them the best chance.

I happen to agree with both teams' decisions.

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[quote=mooby;1230588]Favre was a unique circumstance, he also led the league in a whole bunch of career categories when he retired. Eli doesn't have that.[/quote]

What about Namath?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1230622]Without looking it up and knowing the quarterback often wins the SB MVP I would think the 4 would be the crowd that has quarterbacked 3 or more SB wins. Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman. How many did I get right?[/quote]

Close.... Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Starr.

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[quote=Giantone;1230641]What about Namath?[/quote]

I was waiting for someone to say something about Namath.
1 Super Bowl win. And had a career sub-500 winning record.

Still, he gets a Gold Jacket.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1230637]I think it really boils down to the fact that they thought (still think) they can compete and win now, and Case gives them a better chance to do that right now. It's not a matter of them being afraid he will get tackled.

Giants made the same decision, only they think their rookie gives them the best chance.

I happen to agree with both teams' decisions.[/quote]

I think Jones will get slayed. Problem with G-Men is not entirely with the QB. The receiving core is decimated. Coleman - knee, out for season Shepard - concussion protocol, Tate - suspended, Slayton - hamstring Latimer - calf injury.

And the defense is just not good. If the fans are thinking Jones is their messiah, they are in for a huge let down.

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I don't think Namath gets in if he plays now. He was a star in the AFL and at the time an important piece of the pie to the merger.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1230644]I think Jones will get slayed. Problem with G-Men is not entirely with the QB. The receiving core is decimated. Coleman - knee, out for season Shepard - concussion protocol, Tate - suspended, Slayton - hamstring Latimer - calf injury.

And the defense is just not good. If the fans are thinking Jones is their messiah, they are in for a huge let down.[/quote]



Eli was kept for a reason and that was to see ...1) if the O line will hold up and protect and they seem to be doing just that ,now they feel they can put Jones back there and not have him killed. 2) to help train and prepare Jones for the NFL ...when it comes to reading D's and calling out protections Eli is one of the best. Another reason is that the Giants have way to many rookies on their defense and while they showed modest improvement ...they can not stop a cold, no pass rush . the Giants might pull another 3-13 but in a rebuild mode . Give the kid the experience and let him learn.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1230643]I was waiting for someone to say something about Namath.
1 Super Bowl win. And had a career sub-500 winning record.

Still, he gets a Gold Jacket.[/quote]

He also had a 4,000 yard season and two 3,000 yard seasons when the average QB threw for around 1500.

He got a lot of mileage out of a big Super Bowl upset win and a few big seasons passing yards wise. He also was plagued by bad knees from his college days, he missed games in more than half the seasons he played.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1230645]I don't think Namath gets in if he plays now. He was a star in the AFL and at the time an important piece of the pie to the merger.[/quote]

He was basically beat to hell and a physical wreck by the time he hit 27. The way they protect QBs now he might have stayed at his peak a lot longer.

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[URL="https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colin-kaepernick-actively-interested-why-isnt-nfl-interested-in-him/ar-AAHruxD?li=BBnb7Kz"]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colin-kaepernick-actively-interested-why-isnt-nfl-interested-in-him/ar-AAHruxD?li=BBnb7Kz[/URL]

With all the injuries Kaepernick's agent is calling teams and of course left wing media outlets are ripping into them for not signing him. They all seem to ignore the fact he was exposed as a one hit wonder by defenses long before he started kneeling. He also had a lot of other issues besides the kneeling. He has been out of the league for 2 years+. Jimmy Garapolo took the team Kap was 1-10 with and finished up the next year 5-0. What does that tell you? The guy isn't very good. He is in the Sanchez and JJ class, but the USA Today's of the world build him up.

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Noah Spence to Washington. Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/report-redskins-sign-edge-rusher-noah-spence-after-slow-start-front[/url]