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[quote=rocnrik;1237944]I get it .. however the guys that analyze these players for the skins do they get it ..I can’t believe with all the analysts out there and people breaking down every single bit of info that somebody did not say .. hey wait a second this kid has really bad fundamentals and is not worthy of the 15th overall pick.. it just seems we get it wrong so many times but I guess other teams do to .. that’s why all this talk about Chase Young being a sure thing..there are no sure things .[/quote]

QB is by far the hardest position to accurately draft for in the NFL. Even QB gurus have drafted countless duds. It is the hardest position mentally to play in all sports. Playing against NFL defenses is night and day different than college. You never know with confidence how a kid will do at the next level.

The hardest QBs to judge are the ones coming from colleges that constantly attract top athletes. I think USC has to be the worst, hands down the best all time from there was Carson Palmer, and how many of their QBs were drafted high?

The big problem with the QB position is a lot of the attributes that make good ones can't be measured. Also college coaches are just trying to win games at all cost, they aren't grooming a QB for long term NFL success.

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Haskins threw a ton of screens and passes very close to the LOS at Ohio St. That 70% completion rate was definitely way over inflated.


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1237914]Grudens impact can't be discounted. He stunted Haskins progression by clinging to McCoy, and probably resentment towards BA and Snyder.

Haskins is clearly immature when it comes to what is expected of an NFL qb, and having his coach not want to play him fed that immaturity.
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100% agree.
First thing Haskins learned in training camp was there is zero discipline and accountability on the team.



Haskins is playing on par with the overall team performance and that isn't good but I find it hard to blame the youngest and most inexperienced guy on the team for not playing better.

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[quote=MTK;1237946]Haskins threw a ton of screens and passes very close to the LOS at Ohio St. That 70% completion rate was definitely way over inflated.


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Watched every pass he had last yr, it was no secret that he was not the most accurate thrower and most QBs play in friendly systems in college. He also had a ton of talent around him which makes anyone look good.

You can't give up on him after 1 year though. If he's not much better next yr then yes draft a QB

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1237949]Watched every pass he had last yr, it was no secret that he was not the most accurate thrower and most QBs play in friendly systems in college. He also had a ton of talent around him which makes anyone look good.



You can't give up on him after 1 year though. If he's not much better next yr then yes draft a QB[/QUOTE]Some people are giving up on him after 3 starts and that is crazy.

Daniel Jones has played all year and is getting Ds. Let Haskins develop and grow up, if he ends up a bust its just par for course for the Redskins franchise (not just DSnyder's era either)

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While other than his arm strength and a little pocket presence I am not impressed with Haskins, I will give him through next year before I would want to kick him to the curb. If you can improve the fundamentals a lot of the other issues could correct themselves. What baffles me about him is his tendency to show poor techniques even from a clean pocket and clear throwing lanes.

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We heard from the start he was a project and if the team had their way he wouldn’t have played at all this year


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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1237914]Grudens impact can't be discounted. He stunted Haskins progression by clinging to McCoy, and probably resentment towards BA and Snyder.

Haskins is clearly immature when it comes to what is expected of an NFL qb, and having his coach not want to play him fed that immaturity.

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Can you blame Gruden? Why would you want to deal with Haskins and all his issues? Maybe if it was his 1st year but he's in his 6th year. This is Redskins dysfunction at it's best. Make your 6th year coach work with the handpicked QB from an owner that hasn't learned a damn thing in 20 years.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1237958]Can you blame Gruden? Why would you want to deal with Haskins and all his issues? Maybe if it was his 1st year but he's in his 6th year. This is Redskins dysfunction at it's best. Make your 6th year coach work with the handpicked QB from an owner that hasn't learned a damn thing in 20 years.[/QUOTE]Of course it falls on the FO for not firing the coaching staff last year then doing it right. But once Gruden had Haskins it was on him to groom him instead of trying to make two retread qbs work. The dysfunction of the organization is at the bottom of all of it. Any qb brought in last draft would be having issues based on the way our FO handled the end of last season, and all of this season

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1237930]Haha, how'd I know you would misconstrue that as hope for playoffs. So predictable...[/QUOTE]



It’s a joke man. Relax.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1237914]Grudens impact can't be discounted. He stunted Haskins progression by clinging to McCoy, and probably resentment towards BA and Snyder.

Haskins is clearly immature when it comes to what is expected of an NFL qb, and having his coach not want to play him fed that immaturity.

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Was the season really over when Gruden was here? Im thinking it wasn’t, although that seems like decades ago. Lol. But honestly Gruden had to worry about his own job not Haskins.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1237961]Was the season really over when Gruden was here? Im thinking it wasn’t, although that seems like decades ago. Lol. But honestly Gruden had to worry about his own job not Haskins.[/QUOTE]

Thats why it ultimately falls on the Snyder Allen combo. Gruden shoupd have been fired in january or extended so that he was invested in Haskins success. But leaving a lame duck in as coach derailed the development of their selected qb

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1237963]Thats why it ultimately falls on the Snyder Allen combo. Gruden shoupd have been fired in january or extended so that he was invested in Haskins success. But leaving a lame duck in as coach derailed the development of their selected qb

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Any coach that ever comes here is a lame duck. And fuck bruce he is just vinny 2.0. It is all on Snyder. He is the worst owner in all of sports and i hope the nfl puts the screws to him. The league has a vested interest in each n every team.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1237964]Any coach that ever comes here is a lame duck. And fuck bruce he is just vinny 2.0. It is all on Snyder. He is the worst owner in all of sports and i hope the nfl puts the screws to him. The league has a vested interest in each n every team.[/QUOTE]



I’m not sure there’s much they can do. Would be great if he sold the team. But I don’t see t happening.


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Just listened to Terry's interview on Finley's pod.

He is so darn polished and mature in the interview and on the field.

He may be the best pick from this draft.

His contribution is far above his pick so far.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1237963]Thats why it ultimately falls on the Snyder Allen combo. Gruden shoupd have been fired in january or extended so that he was invested in Haskins success. But leaving a lame duck in as coach derailed the development of their selected qb

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We would have won more games with Gruden. They offensive side of the ball is a joke under Bill. They should have gotten rid of Greg M. We would be in the hunt with Gruden and a different DC. Granted the NFC East is garbage.

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the reluctance to play Haskins did Gruden in .. he did not tow the company line. Gruden got tired of the snyder/Allen Show.. manusky should have never been hired here to begin with .. new d coordinator and keenum we would have 5-6 wins now (on par with middle of pack .500 season ..) The silver lining is that hopefully the horrible season forces big changes ..

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I actually see some positives,as stated the young wideouts are promising and if the running backs Guice-Love develope who knows,what this teams needs is C-O-A-C-H-I-N-G above all else and football minds in that front office and if we don''t muck up the draft things could be better next season..I sure hope so,and pulleeeeeeeeeeeez get off the Haskins selfie thing,as he said it won't happen again so he just needs to keep working on his game like the rest of the team and if we don't win another game this year it don't matter because I'm already preparing for[2020]!