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I dont know...just talking about winning the east a literal day after finishing 3-13 is def drinking the koolaid aid that Dan's serving up.

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[quote=SunnySide;1241181]Dan Snyder deserves some credit imo

- putting together a few people/team of outsiders early on this season to help him prepare to find a HC, with Bruce Allen getting zero input or participation. He was proactive and didnt wait until week 17 to being the process.

- Keeping it almost completely secret and not a media talking point. Only last week did we start to hear that Dan had gathered a team of outsiders to help him transition. This could have been a cloud of speculation and media hyperbole but it was kept under wraps with no leaks.

- Getting the no. 1 choice Ron Rivera when I assume he could have landed multiple jobs.

[B]Obviously who knows how Rivera will pan out here but I like Snyder being proactive and keeping it silent.[/B][/quote]

This!

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We've been through this too many times for me to be fooled again. It's like an abusive relationship.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1241194]We've been through this too many times for me to be fooled again. It's like an abusive relationship.[/quote]

I don't blame you at all, I'm a little excited about this whole thing.. Not super pumped, but excited with some reservations. We need to acknowledge that Ron has shown that he can manage a team and win. Out of all head coach candidates this year, Ron is one of the top viable candidates and I believe it would be a win for Redskins if Ron becomes Redskins head coach.

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Reports are that he may bring in Steve Wilkes as DC. Am i missing something, other than that they coached together for a couple years. Nothing about Wilkes resume is particularly impressive.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241197]Reports are that he may bring in Steve Wilkes as DC. Am i missing something, other than that they coached together for a couple years. Nothing about Wilkes resume is particularly impressive.[/quote]

Agree on that, he did a great job the Super Bowl season but since then he hasn't been very good

Ron Rivera Thread
 

On the GM question, there are only two possibilities: either Ron and Dan already have agreed on the name(s) that would work, as Matty said, or a new structure is being put in place with Smith, Rivera, Schaffer, and Snyder running it all. No way Rivera is coming on board with a question mark at GM.

I fear a little that Dan is promising a level of control to Ron that is unrealistic with an eventual GM and/or that Dan sees himself as the White Knight and wants to be more active in fixing the Redskins.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1241178]Kerrigan was a great 4-3 DE in college. He might be a very good player at that position.[/quote]

He's also 31 and just spent a decade at outside linebacker. Even if he is very good, I'm not betting on him having long term success at the position. And we're already stacked at starting ends with Ionnadis and Allen. Doubt Kerrigan wants to be a backup at this stage of his career too.

Only way I see Kerrigan staying is as an outside linebacker with more coverage responsibilities. That's not a good look for him at this stage of his career.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241197]Reports are that he may bring in Steve Wilkes as DC. Am i missing something, other than that they coached together for a couple years. Nothing about Wilkes resume is particularly impressive.[/quote]

no surprise...he's close with Wilkes and was elevated to assistant HC at one point with Riverboat. I think its a positive at this point to have someone to lean on in order to get the structure down within the team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241197]Reports are that he may bring in Steve Wilkes as DC. Am i missing something, other than that they coached together for a couple years. Nothing about Wilkes resume is particularly impressive.[/quote]

+1 on this. Suspect addition if it does happen. I'm sure Wilks and Rivera are good friends but I don't see anything at any of his previous stops to inspire confidence. I'd be ok with this if Rivera is defensive playcaller.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241161]With the NFC East the way it is, we have a good chance to spring out in front. That said the NFC East opponents next season are brutal.

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Cred I like you but you're talking crazy at this stage of the game. I know it's in ticket sales' best interests to get fans excited for next year but we've done this dance too many times to fall for the hype.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241188]My main point was that the whole NFC East is in the garbage, so if the team gets right there is good young talent on both sides of the ball to build from and a division that can be taken.

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Every team is going to reload during the offseason, I wouldn't even think about what we can achieve next year before a single roster move has been made.

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Alex Smith could be the GM all along , making these decisions with Dan behind closed doors

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4 teams in the East and 3 new HC's, its a brave new world!

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I'm glad if it's Rivera,but he doesn't need total control,one of the few things that work for us is that we do have a decent front office so he should just coach,and Danny should just get the f-ck out of the way...CAN YOU DO THAT DANNY???

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241197]Reports are that he may bring in Steve Wilkes as DC. Am i missing something, other than that they coached together for a couple years. Nothing about Wilkes resume is particularly impressive.[/quote]

I'd be ok with Wilks coming in as DC if Rivera is hired. He didn't fare well as a HC in Arizona, but the defense was decent - it was the offense that was terrible. His specialty is the secondary, which is what desperately needs to be fixed here. I wouldn't say his resume is impressive, but there's nothing there that really turns me off. I think his relationship with Rivera is a positive, and would allow Rivera to be the HC, and not feel obligated to be over-involved with defense.

I'm most interested about the overall structure of the organization now. I can't wait to hear how all the pieces fall, if in fact Rivera is going to be the new HC.

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I’m dreaming of this starting defensive lineup combo (extra player added)

Sweat, Payne, Ionnadis, Allen, Young, Foster, Holcomb, Bostic, Dunbar, Moreland, Collins, draft pick S.

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When is this press conference I keep hearing about?!

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[QUOTE=Burgold;1241217]I'm glad if it's Rivera,but he doesn't need total control,one of the few things that work for us is that we do have a decent front office so he should just coach,and Danny should just get the f-ck out of the way...CAN YOU DO THAT DANNY???[/QUOTE]Full control hopefully means DS has 0. The actual structure is critical. For people saying we have been here repeatedly, I would argue that we have only been here once before, when VC was fired.

Snyder has an opportunity to make a seatide change in this organization and its culture. We won't know whether he does it right until the whole scheme is put together and we see the results, BUT, I think Rivera coming in and setting the guiding focus for the organization is a good first step. It isn't walking on the moon, and it isn't staying stuck in the mud either.

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Hope Danny doesn't screw this up.
[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/30/report-negotiations-moving-more-slowly-than-expected-between-ron-rivera-washington/[/url]

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@MikeSilver

Give Daniel Snyder credit for being proactive and lining up this deal with Rivera before other teams could pounce. He got his man. Deal expected to be finalized in 3 pm eastern range, assuming no flight delays.


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[quote=MTK;1241231]@MikeSilver

Give Daniel Snyder credit for being proactive and lining up this deal with Rivera before other teams could pounce. He got his man. Deal expected to be finalized in 3 pm eastern range, assuming no flight delays.


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Nice

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What’s taking so long to make the announcement of the hiring

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;1241251]What’s taking so long to make the announcement of the hiring[/quote]

It was reported this morning that negotiations were taking longer than anticipated.

My guess is other teams have fired coaches and are reaching out to Rivera, giving him more leverage. I doubt money is an obstacle. Its likely more about control and the length of his contract.

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[QUOTE=Darrell_Green_28;1241251]What’s taking so long to make the announcement of the hiring[/QUOTE]Probably want to do it tomorrow after all of the Black Monday news are over and done with. Also, they are probably negotiating with Rivera on FO staffing and whatnot.

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[quote=Burgold;1241217]I'm glad if it's Rivera,but he doesn't need total control,one of the few things that work for us is that we do have a decent front office so he should just coach,and [B]Danny should just get the f-ck out of the way...CAN YOU DO THAT DANNY???[/B][/quote]

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Ron Rivera Thread
 

Rivera has all the leverage in these negotiations. Dan knows that many teams want him and are at better starting points than the Redskins. Rivera may want guaranteed money and huge levels of control written into the contract. Ultimately if Snyder wants him he will have to give it.

For all the people saying “it’s the same old thing” there are several differences:

1. No Cerrato or Allen in the structure, which was how Snyder secretly wielded management on the draft, FA, etc.

2. Snyder is using an outside group of NFL guru’s for advice, versus the Cerrato/Allen toadie who just told him anything solely so THEY could stay in power. All these boot-lickers wanted was another year in power.

3. One of the advisors is rumored to be former GM himself, McLovin’. Paybacks a bitch isn’t it BA!

4. To get someone of the caliber of Rivera, I’m sure Snyder is giving up most, if not all his influence on football decisions. Rivera has leverage and he’s using it!! It is obvious to Rivera or any other major candidate, that Snyder and his lackey’s influence in the organization is what killed outstanding former HC like Gibbs and Shanahan. That’s the BIGGEST CHANGE. BA gone and no new “yes man” in his place!!

I cautiously optimistic ONCE RIVERA IS SIGNED.


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[quote=Burgold;1241217]I'm glad if it's Rivera,but he doesn't need total control,one of the few things that work for us is that we do have a decent front office so he should just coach,and Danny should just get the f-ck out of the way...CAN YOU DO THAT DANNY???[/quote]

There are indications Snyder has changed, but sources who have worked for him anticipate he will still be involved.

One source said Snyder's input often came through "backdoor ways," funneled through others in charge, such as Allen. It wasn't just about drafting Haskins -- the Redskins knew they had to take a quarterback. It was about making decisions on which free agents to pay and who the team would let leave.

"Critical decisions," the source said.


[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28276910/what-went-wrong-redskins-president-bruce-allen-next[/url]

Like trading Kendall Fuller and a pick for Alex Smith then resign him to a mega deal even though he was still on contract?

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Again, let’s see if Snyder changes. He’s always had a lackey GM to internally helping him micromanage the team. I would be extremely surprised if Rivera or any premium HC candidate would allow the past system of failure, with Snyder and his buddy GM sticking their grubby paws into team football decisions.

With 20 years of failure of this franchise model of management, Rivera is an absolute fool if he doesn’t severely restrict Snyder’s input into football decisions. Snyder fired his buddy Bruce Allen. He’s using outside NFL guru’s for advice. He’s trying to bring in an excellent HC, at the price of his involvement in the internal management of the team.

I’m cautiously optimistic that the old Redskins way for the last 20 years, will be put to bed. Let’s see!


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Negotiations apparently hit a snag

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Well it's pretty late in the day,if Rivera's coming in today was a formality why hasnt he been announced as coach yet? That's a little worrisome

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[QUOTE=Meks;1241284]Negotiations apparently hit a snag[/QUOTE]Any word about the reason why?

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[QUOTE=Meks;1241284]Negotiations apparently hit a snag[/QUOTE]



Like I said, Rivera is totally in the drivers seat in this negotiations. He could go to almost any other team, with a better situation. So, I’m sure he’s pushing for maximum player draft and FA control, his own guaranteed salary, perhaps who works at GM, coaching control; limiting Snyder’s influence in football decisions.

Dan Snyder is definitely not used to conceding this much power to a HC. He may be pushing back at all the concessions to Rivera’s demands. He either gives in to Rivera and all his demands or this will go downhill quickly. If Rivera leaves this negotiation, other top HC candidates may look at the Redskins as unfixable.

Half of the Snyder / Allen “problem” was Snyder himself. He’s done well by firing BA, as many on this site said he would never do. Now he may be limiting his own management on football issues in order to hire Rivera.....or not!


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[QUOTE=Meks;1241284]Negotiations apparently hit a snag[/QUOTE]



That’s bullshit.

Julie Donaldson, who has been on this story from the beginning, says they are going very well.

Fred smoot says they left the park and having dinner together right now... with president Obama.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1241292]That’s bullshit.

Julie Donaldson, who has been on this story from the beginning, says they are going very well.

Fred smoot says they left the park and having dinner together right now... with president Obama.


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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1241292]That’s bullshit.

Julie Donaldson, who has been on this story from the beginning, says they are going very well.

Fred smoot says they left the park and having dinner together right now... with president Obama ( the last part is probably a joke but who knows)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241293]Pretty sure the Pres Obama part was a joke

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Or....Dan is all in on a fresh start and is going to rename the team as part of the offseason changes.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1241293]Pretty sure the Pres Obama part was a joke

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Yeah I tried to go back in to edit my post to clarify that is how i took it, but i guess it didn’t go through.

That things are going well is legit though.


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Julie has been close to the action. I’m sure she was fed that info by the team executives. This is not just a normal HC signing. He will probably have a top, guaranteed salary, vast power within the football part of the organization, and he may want written assurances of autonomy from Snyder himself! That takes awhile to hammer out, versus just agreeing to a salary and having the pressie.




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