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[quote=Warthog;1243903]I agree 100%. Part of the problem was Norman was playing and he’s lost more than a step or two, he lacked motivation and just basically sucked this year. The defense improved as soon as he was benched. Second problem was Greg Manusky’s defensive schemes which were confusing, complicated and DID NOT WORK. Gruden was also coaching and he never could motivate the team and had the WORST halftime adjustments I’ve ever seen. He was the exact opposite of Gibbs at halftime. Finally, DeSean wanted revenge because Bruce Allen dumped him after he had a 1,000 TD season with us - Bruce never made a even a single call or an offer to DeSean’s agent!! Bruce really knew how to napalm bridges when people moved on.

Having Chase Young charge inward will put huge pressure on the passer and will make all the CBs and DBs look better! I mean it has been so depressing over the last two decades to watch our general lack of a pass rush. We’ve had maybe one edge rusher who was decent, but we’ve never had an elite pass rush from both sides, without having to blitz. This last season we did have some sacks -46 and were 11th in the NFL. Unfortunately, the sacks didn’t help since our defense was 27th in the league. I think with a new HC and DC we’ll see a huge improvement in the defense whether we take Chase or trade down and end up with Simmons at LB.

I want Chase but there is a small possibility the Redskins might be offered a monster trade. When Tua and maybe Herbert do extremely well in the combine/college day some teams may shoot for the moon at QB. However, a big trade down will only happen if we still get an elite pick at an impact position. That doesn’t include CB, no matter how good Okudah is.


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If it's a 5 pick deal that includes three 1s and a 2 that's very very hard to turn down. Like you said small chance. Can't wait to see what happens

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[quote=MTK;1243877]No chance Rivera passes on a premium pass rusher for a corner.


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This is what Scotty Mac said. You take the pass rusher.

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We had Champ Bailey , Josh Norman , Shawn Springs etc. All top 10 CBs when they played for the skins at some point and nothing happened..

Draft the pass rusher folks

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1243917]We had Champ Bailey , Josh Norman , Shawn Springs etc. All top 10 CBs when they played for the skins at some point and nothing happened..

Draft the pass rusher folks[/quote]

Even Fred Smoot from 2002-2004 was a really good corner for us. It is just boring to know who we are getting 3 months ahead of time. People just need to get ready for Alien & Predator wrecking backfields, coming fall 2020.

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Chase Young to Giants. Remember this Redskins fans, saying you wanna trade the 2nd pick [url]https://twitter.com/AjayAtayee/status/1222967054367674369[/url]

Danny Dimes, Shaquan, Chase Young damn....

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1243924]Chase Young to Giants. Remember this Redskins fans, saying you wanna trade the 2nd pick [url]https://twitter.com/AjayAtayee/status/1222967054367674369[/url]

Danny Dimes, Shaquan, Chase Young damn....[/quote]

Exactly!

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1243924]Chase Young to Giants. Remember this Redskins fans, saying you wanna trade the 2nd pick [URL]https://twitter.com/AjayAtayee/status/1222967054367674369[/URL]

Danny Dimes, Shaquan, Chase Young damn....[/quote]
Last time the Redskins traded down with a division rival, 2014 with the Cowboys.


Cowboys Drafted Demarcus Lawrence ( 1 x 1st team all pro, 2 x Probowler)
Redskins got: Trent Murphy (1st team all roids) and Spencer Long.

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He's not talking about trading with the Giants, if we trade out of 2, the Giants will take Young if he's still there. That I do not want to see.

It's not just about what we could get in a trade, it's also about what we give up, and its not just our draft position.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1243961]He's not talking about trading with the Giants, if we trade out of 2, the Giants will take Young if he's still there. That I do not want to see.



It's not just about what we could get in a trade, it's also about what we give up, and its not just our draft position.[/QUOTE]



Right, for those who want use to take a big trade haul, you have to accept the fact that CY may end up on a division rival. Then you play that rival (Giants) two times a season for a decade while Chase Young rubs our nose in the dirt for not taking him. Make no mistake, if CY ever gets to the Giants, they will NOT pass up on him.






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Yep, I remember the damage LT did for years. If Young is as good or better, you can't let him go to the Giants.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243976]Yep, I remember the damage LT did for years. If Young is as good or better, you can't let him go to the Giants.[/quote]

That’s why Peter King and other Giant fans like him are advocating for the skins to trade the pick, thinking the Giants will get him. Fuck Peter King!!

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243976]Yep, I remember the damage LT did for years. If Young is as good or better, you can't let him go to the Giants.[/quote]

This crap with comparing to LT has got to stop . CY very good, LT good ,no, .............just no.

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[quote=Giantone;1243978]This crap with comparing to LT has got to stop . CY very good, LT good ,no, .............just no.[/quote]

You telling us you wouldn't take CY if he fell to the Giaint's? 😉

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[quote=Giantone;1243978]This crap with comparing to LT has got to stop . CY very good, LT good ,no, .............just no.[/quote]

Which brings me to my next point, don’t smoke crack.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243979]You telling us you wouldn't take CY if he fell to the Giaint's? 😉[/quote]

Please post where I said that???

I would like him,[B]not happening[/B] but yes I would like him. I would like many players but everyone on defense that comes out is the "next LT" and that is BS , Clowny is a great example . These players are good , very good but LT, .............just stop the madness!

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[quote=Giantone;1243983]Please post where I said that???

I would like him,[B]not happening[/B] but yes I would like him. I would like many players but everyone on defense that comes out is the "next LT" and that is BS , Clowny is a great example . These players are good , very good but LT, .............just stop the madness![/quote]

CY is the closest dominant player comparison to LT, much, much better than Clowney. You didn’t know what you had in LT when he was drafted, same hype. We don’t know if he’ll be as good but the experts are giving it the same hype.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1243984]CY is the closest dominant player comparison to LT.[/quote]





............this year.
[url]https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/29/new-york-giants-lawrence-taylor-bill-belichick-not-biting-comparisons/[/url]


[url]https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNFL/status/1052618496012505088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1052621306548678661&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcsports.com%2Fchicago%2Fbears%2Fbill-belichick-scoffs-khalil-mack-lawrence-taylor-comparison[/url]

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I hate to say this but I agree with Giantone on the CY comparison to LT. Until CY goes to the NFL and completely dominates, takes over games week after week, year after year, he cannot be compared to the great Lawrence Taylor. No Edge player has ever compared to LT in my opinion.

Nevertheless, here's what Bill Belichick said about CY: "He's pretty special...in the same general category as LT." That is probably the highest praise CY could ever hope to get from BB! That tells me that the Skins should draft CY at #2.

Since I mentioned LT, I can't let this post go without reiterating that the HOF voters' shunning of Joe Jacoby was a disgrace. The voters should have given more weight to the fact that the great LT said Big Jake was the OT that gave him the most trouble in his career. Joe Jacoby was a great player, too.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1243986]I hate to say this but I agree with Giantone on the CY comparison to LT. Until CY goes to the NFL and completely dominates, takes over games week after week, year after year, he cannot be compared to the great Lawrence Taylor. No Edge player has ever compared to LT in my opinion.

Nevertheless, here's what Bill Belichick said about CY: "He's pretty special...in the same general category as LT." That is probably the highest praise CY could ever hope to get from BB! That tells me that the Skins should draft CY at #2.

Since I mentioned LT, I can't let this post go without reiterating that the HOF voters' shunning of Joe Jacoby was a disgrace. The voters should have given more weight to the fact that the great LT said Big Jake was the OT that gave him the most trouble in his career. Joe Jacoby was a great player, too.[/quote]
I agree, with the take on JJ .

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1243986]I hate to say this but I agree with Giantone on the CY comparison to LT. Until CY goes to the NFL and completely dominates, takes over games week after week, year after year, he cannot be compared to the great Lawrence Taylor. No Edge player has ever compared to LT in my opinion.

Nevertheless, here's what Bill Belichick said about CY: "He's pretty special...in the same general category as LT." That is probably the highest praise CY could ever hope to get from BB! That tells me that the Skins should draft CY at #2.

[B]Since I mentioned LT, I can't let this post go without reiterating that the HOF voters' shunning of Joe Jacoby was a disgrace. The voters should have given more weight to the fact that the great LT said Big Jake was the OT that gave him the most trouble in his career. Joe Jacoby was a great player, too.[/B][/quote]

The HOF has basically become the Hall of Really Good. It's more about politics and popularity.

As for Jacoby, how does Jim Covert get in the HOF over Jacoby? That to me makes zero sense and is a total disgrace.

I have said this numerous times but they MUST get the media people out of the voting. You can not have media voting on it. It should be made up of former players and coaches. PERIOD.

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[quote=Giantone;1243983]Please post where I said that???

I would like him,[B]not happening[/B] but yes I would like him. I would like many players but everyone on defense that comes out is the "next LT" and that is BS , Clowny is a great example . These players are good , very good but LT, .............just stop the madness![/quote]

You obviously don't know the difference between a question and a statement. The ? is usually a clue... ;)

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[quote=skinsfan69;1243990]The HOF has basically become the Hall of Really Good. It's more about politics and popularity.

As for Jacoby, how does Jim Covert get in the HOF over Jacoby? That to me makes zero sense and is a total disgrace.

I have said this numerous times but they MUST get the media people out of the voting. You can not have media voting on it. It should be made up of former players and coaches. PERIOD.[/quote]

Listening to Keim’s interview with Joe Gibbs, Joe couldn’t understand why JJ wasn’t inducted. Bullshit popularity contest and politics.

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Good scouting report on Chase Young:

[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/chase-young/obFpJKd6Z1[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1244003]Good scouting report on Chase Young:



[url]https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/chase-young/obFpJKd6Z1[/url][/QUOTE]



Yeah, that report says Chase Young is elite. Just the sort of report you want to see if you want the Redskins to draft him.


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Looks like the Picks for Tua thing might be a possibility...

[URL]https://phinphanatic.com/2020/01/30/tua-tagovailoa-wants-play-miami-dolphins-according-dad/[/URL]


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[quote=AnonEmouse;1243991]You obviously don't know the difference between a question and a statement. The ? is usually a clue... ;)[/quote]

Spin fail, you tried to put words in my mouth and you failed .

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After watching Bosa and the niners d-line causing havoc on D, it is imperative that Chase Young is a Redskin next year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1244043]After watching Bosa and the niners d-line causing havoc on D, it is imperative that Chase Young is a Redskin next year.[/quote]
Ding Ding...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1244043]After watching Bosa and the niners d-line causing havoc on D, it is imperative that Chase Young is a Redskin next year.[/quote]
Yes Sir. This isn't hard lol.

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IMO the only way we don't take CY is if Cinci take him or some team embarrasses us with 1st round picks.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1244046]IMO the only way we don't take CY is if Cinci take him or some team embarrasses us with 1st round picks.[/quote]

Call me crazy, I would take CY over multiple picks, he’s that good and would be a huge difference maker with our Dline and Sweat on the other side. You think SF’s D is good? Wait till next year, our D could be better.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1244047]Call me crazy, I would take CY over multiple picks, he’s that good and would be a huge difference maker with our Dline and Sweat on the other side. You think SF’s D is good? Wait till next year, our D could be better.[/QUOTE]



I agree. If Bosa wasn’t in there applying huge pressure in the SB, the Chiefs would have blown them out much earlier in the game. Also, I think with the much, much better coaching and instruction from Del Rio / RR our DL will be more balanced than the Chief’s. I noticed as the game went on they started to double-team Bosa and the pass rush slowed down. Chase Young will be a monster, but Sweat needs to ramp up his game also, or teams will load up on CY. I have no doubt that Sweat will improve a great deal this year with his pass rush. I think if he stays healthy and he’s playing opposite CY, Sweat will DOUBLE his number of sacks (to 15).

Also, if Ionnidis is playing at the same level as last season or better, maybe he will replace Allen or Payne on the first team. It’s not what your draft number was, but how well you play. The best way to stop the Uber-talented, passing QB we will face, is to apply pressure to them from the front four. With the addition of Chase Young, greatly improved coaching, our front 4 will ascend to the elite status this coming season.


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I draft Young for 3 reasons.

We'd have an immediate impact player a la Watt/Bosa that would make the rest of the line better immediately.
In a 4-3 we need a steady tackle and tackle/end combination inside as well as the rushers outside. We'd have 6 young DL that could play in almost any effective combination, including a 5 man line to remove the need for a blitzing LB and 6 man short yardage line. That means we can concentrate on getting LBs that are not pass rushers but pure run stuffers and coverage guys. And that group could play together consistently for 2-3 years before we have to worry about the group breaking up with FA.
We can't let Young go to the Giants and face him every year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1244047]Call me crazy, I would take CY over multiple picks, he’s that good and would be a huge difference maker with our Dline and Sweat on the other side. You think SF’s D is good? Wait till next year, our D could be better.[/quote]

Yep, he's a Bosa clone and someone the skins desperately need

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244057]Yep, he's a Bosa clone and someone the skins desperately need[/quote]

Young, Sweat, Ioannidis, Payne, Allen, Settle, Foster, Anderson, Holcomb, Collins, Dunbar (if he can stay healthy)

The potential to be a special defense is there

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1244059]Young, Sweat, Ioannidis, Payne, Allen, Settle, Foster, Anderson, Holcomb, Collins, Dunbar (if he can stay healthy)

The potential to be a special defense is there[/quote]

still need 1 more Safety to replace Montae but that can be done. Another CB wouldn't hurt either

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I would say a lot more is needed at the linebacker level. Cole Holcomb is fine as a depth guy but I'd like a lot more athleticism at that position. Covering the Zach Ertz's and Evan Engram's of the world takes some serious speed. Reuben Foster helps a lot there but I need a lot more at LB. If Cole Holcomb is one of your opening day starters I think you've given the opposing offense an area to attack with a game plan built around an athletic tight end.

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[quote=Schneed10;1244061]I would say a lot more is needed at the linebacker level. Cole Holcomb is fine as a depth guy but I'd like a lot more athleticism at that position. Covering the Zach Ertz's and Evan Engram's of the world takes some serious speed. Reuben Foster helps a lot there but I need a lot more at LB. If Cole Holcomb is one of your opening day starters I think you've given the opposing offense an area to attack with a game plan built around an athletic tight end.[/quote]

Im really interested in what Ron thinks about the linebacker talent. Will be interesting to see how he approaches it in the offseason.

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[quote=Schneed10;1244061]I would say a lot more is needed at the linebacker level. Cole Holcomb is fine as a depth guy but I'd like a lot more athleticism at that position. Covering the Zach Ertz's and Evan Engram's of the world takes some serious speed. Reuben Foster helps a lot there but I need a lot more at LB. If Cole Holcomb is one of your opening day starters I think you've given the opposing offense an area to attack with a game plan built around an athletic tight end.[/quote]

Speed is a concern at LB for sure, If u look at both teams last night they had good speed at LB. I agree with u

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Holcomb is not slow. Also, he was a rookie last season; he'll get better.

Foster is a big concern. He isn't close to being able to play yet and there's no way to know if he'll be able to play at the same level when he returns. If he recovers fully, he should make a big difference at LB.

I think Anderson could surprise as a LB. He is a good football player.

I think we have a chance to be good at LB without adding anyone but I'd love to add more talent at LB in the draft, at least.