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[QUOTE=mooby;1244668]Sunny we're on the same wavelength so much it's not funny.



All I see are opportunities to continue the Redskins way of signing the big name on the board (who's obviously looking to get paid) for multiple years of production that doesn't live up to the contract. Byron Jones went 40 games without a pick, as a corner that is absolutely terrible. If he wants to be paid top 5 money he needs to play like a top 5 corner. 40+ games without a pick, I mean he better be giving up a 10% completion rate to be worth top 5 money at that rate.[/QUOTE]



Yeah, it’s amazing how FEW INT Byron Jones has had, for the number of games he has played in. He’s very good at coverage but the team needs big plays for the money Jones would cost. Pass on him.


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The gift that keeps on giving:

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/2/20/21145709/report-quinton-dunbar-still-wants-trade-or-release-after-talking-to-redskins"]Dunbar still wants to be traded or released after being denied new contract[/URL]

I really don't get it. Man you've been hurt a lot the past 2 seasons and you want a new coach to give you a new contract before having played a snap for him ?

Stay healthy and play well this year and you'll get your $$$...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1245053]The gift that keeps on giving:

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/2/20/21145709/report-quinton-dunbar-still-wants-trade-or-release-after-talking-to-redskins"]Dunbar still wants to be traded or released after being denied new contract[/URL]

I really don't get it. Man you've been hurt a lot the past 2 seasons and you want a new coach to give you a new contract before having played a snap for him ?

Stay healthy and play well this year and you'll get your $$$...[/quote]

We got us a Redskin here who wants to be released or traded...

/Lt. Aldo Raine voice/

Obliiiiiiiiiiiiige him.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1245053]The gift that keeps on giving:

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/2/20/21145709/report-quinton-dunbar-still-wants-trade-or-release-after-talking-to-redskins"]Dunbar still wants to be traded or released after being denied new contract[/URL]

I really don't get it. Man you've been hurt a lot the past 2 seasons and you want a new coach to give you a new contract before having played a snap for him ?

Stay healthy and play well this year and you'll get your $$$...[/quote]

Amazing how these "part time" players want full time money. They don't seem to factor in their lack of constant availability when demanding a raise. Obvious some players have bad luck, others injury prone, but there has to be quite a few guys who won't suck it up and play with nicks and dings that others fight through.

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Let me dream....Quinton Dunbar and a 4th Round pick for WR Stefon Diggs OR Dunbar for OJ Howard straight up.

If you look at Minnesota they have a 2 starting CB free agents this year and Tampa's Cornerback situation is a serious mess.

I would explore it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245068]Let me dream....Quinton Dunbar and a 4th Round pick for WR Stefon Diggs OR Dunbar for OJ Howard straight up.

If you look at Minnesota they have a 2 starting CB free agents this year and Tampa's Cornerback situation is a serious mess.

I would explore it.[/quote]

Who would you replace Dunbar with if we trade him away?

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[quote=GridIron26;1245072]Who would you replace Dunbar with if we trade him away?[/quote]

Im looking internal first at Fabien Mourneau. When he was moved to the outside the second half of the year, he played well. I envision Mourneau outside, Jimmy Moreland slot and Free Agent as the no 1.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1245072]Who would you replace Dunbar with if we trade him away?[/QUOTE]While we would surely need to bring in another starting caliber CB, I glanced at our roster the other day and was reminded that with Stroman, Moreland, Moreau and Danny Johnson we have some young corners that all have at least shown good things at one time or another.
I'm aware they're all on IR but none of those injuries seem career threatening to me (hamstring, foot, hand).
Point being let's not act like we have absolutely nothing at CB, but we'll need more for sure.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1245053]The gift that keeps on giving:

[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/2/20/21145709/report-quinton-dunbar-still-wants-trade-or-release-after-talking-to-redskins"]Dunbar still wants to be traded or released after being denied new contract[/URL]

I really don't get it. Man you've been hurt a lot the past 2 seasons and you want a new coach to give you a new contract before having played a snap for him ?

Stay healthy and play well this year and you'll get your $$$...[/quote]

So now Dunbar admits he did request a trade? Dunbar Kinda threw John Keim under the bus when he called Doc Walker and said he didnt want a trade .. John Keim had to respond it was true and in all of his years as a reporter he wouldnt make something up for click bait.



I can confirm he asked for a trade the other night yes. This did not come out of thin air. Beyond that we’ll see.
— John Keim (@john_keim) February 12, 2020

Dunbar is not looking good here .. let your agent handle this bc you are fucking it up. Your flip flopping is making reporters have to defend their integrity when integrity means a lot to these beat reporters.

Let Dunbar play out this year, if he wants to sit then he can sit. If he balls out and plays a full season, transition or franchise tag him or extend then.

Id make Dunbar have a prove it year at this point.

Hes just misses way too many games. Hes the last guy youd want to give a big contract to, I can only imagine he will miss even more games and refuse to play unless he is 100% if he gets a LTD and knows he is good money wise no matter what.

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I glanced at our roster the other day and was reminded that with [B]Stroman, Moreland, Moreau and Danny Johnson[/B] we have some young corners that all have at least shown good things at one time or another.

If one of those players makes it to a second contract, I would call that a success. Like w Flowers or Penn ... are we thinking they may be good bc they played slightly better than the low expectations we had for them .. or are they actually good promising pieces?

Obviously w the CBs they are all young and will get their chances to sink or swim but I dont view any of them as average to above average when compared to other teams CB1-CB3. They all feel like depth guys to me.

Penn/Flowers - they played average to below avg (compared to starting LT and LGs) to me but I feel like they get over hyped bc we expected them to be cut sept 1 but instead they played average and didnt get hurt.

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Flowers was better than just average


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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1245075]So now Dunbar admits he did request a trade? Dunbar Kinda threw John Keim under the bus when he called Doc Walker and said he didnt want a trade .. John Keim had to respond it was true and in all of his years as a reporter he wouldnt make something up for click bait.







I can confirm he asked for a trade the other night yes. This did not come out of thin air. Beyond that we’ll see.

— John Keim (@john_keim) February 12, 2020



Dunbar is not looking good here .. let your agent handle this bc you are fucking it up. Your flip flopping is making reporters have to defend their integrity when integrity means a lot to these beat reporters.



Let Dunbar play out this year, if he wants to sit then he can sit. If he balls out and plays a full season, transition or franchise tag him or extend then.



Id make Dunbar have a prove it year at this point.



Hes just misses way too many games. Hes the last guy youd want to give a big contract to, I can only imagine he will miss even more games and refuse to play unless he is 100% if he gets a LTD and knows he is good money wise no matter what.



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I glanced at our roster the other day and was reminded that with [B]Stroman, Moreland, Moreau and Danny Johnson[/B] we have some young corners that all have at least shown good things at one time or another.



If one of those players makes it to a second contract, I would call that a success. Like w Flowers or Penn ... are we thinking they may be good bc they played slightly better than the low expectations we had for them .. or are they actually good promising pieces?



Obviously w the CBs they are all young and will get their chances to sink or swim but I dont view any of them as average to above average when compared to other teams CB1-CB3. They all feel like depth guys to me.



Penn/Flowers - they played average to below avg (compared to starting LT and LGs) to me but I feel like they get over hyped bc we expected them to be cut sept 1 but instead they played average and didnt get hurt.[/QUOTE]I think corner is a position that takes a bit of time to master in the NFL, so I'm willing to give them a shot.
D Johnson is a depth guy.
Stroman showed some really good things at times and COULD turn out OK.
Moreland was really exciting early I think he has potential.
Moreau is intriguing, he was disappointing early but showed improvement last season IMO.

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Chico and French - I'm not convinced Moreau can step up as #2 CB. I had hopes for him last season but he didn't show much until ending of the season so I'm not sure if I would feel comfortable going into the season with a FA CB and Moreau as our starting CBs. What if the FA CB or Moreau gets injury in the beginning or middle of season? I'm not worried about the slot position, we have it covered with Moreland or Stroman. But I would be concerned about #1 or #2 CB if we trade Dunbar away.

I think this is a dilemma Redskins FO will need to figure out how to handle during the offseason. Strong defense will help Haskins as it will lessen the pressure for the offense to score lot of points. Dunbar definitely will make the defense strong, and I don't think we can say the same for Moreau. If we could trade Dunbar for Diggs from Vikings or Howard from Tampa Bay then this definitely will help Haskins and the offense but will it be enough to score enough points if the defense cannot stop the opponents? It might not be a big deal if we draft Chase Young although this means we assume Young will come in and dominate like Nick Bosa did. There are just too many questions in this situation.

The ideal scenario at this point for me is Dunbar comes in and play (I read a report somewhere that he said that he will still play regardless of the contract status), sign a CB from FA then draft Young. If Dunbar manages to justify his desire for a new contract after the 2020 season then Redskins should do everything they can to keep Dunbar. If Dunbar refuses to sign with Redskins then Redskins should franchise tag him and then trade him away.

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Gridiron...it’s an art & science with balancing the roster. First point, is Dunbar gonna be a distraction as he has been so far this offseason? 2. Can you go out and get an equal or better talent at a position of need at a trade? What is the value of Dunbar...probably the highest it will EVER be...low cap number and in his prime.

When it comes to replacement, u should always look internally like any business. Second, you have to analyze the market and say can’t we get equal play at a similar cap number?

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[quote=GridIron26;1245080]Chico and French - I'm not convinced Moreau can step up as #2 CB. I had hopes for him last season but he didn't show much until ending of the season so I'm not sure if I would feel comfortable going into the season with a FA CB and Moreau as our starting CBs. What if the FA CB or Moreau gets injury in the beginning or middle of season? I'm not worried about the slot position, we have it covered with Moreland or Stroman. But I would be concerned about #1 or #2 CB if we trade Dunbar away.

I think this is a dilemma Redskins FO will need to figure out how to handle during the offseason. Strong defense will help Haskins as it will lessen the pressure for the offense to score lot of points. Dunbar definitely will make the defense strong, and I don't think we can say the same for Moreau. If we could trade Dunbar for Diggs from Vikings or Howard from Tampa Bay then this definitely will help Haskins and the offense but will it be enough to score enough points if the defense cannot stop the opponents? It might not be a big deal if we draft Chase Young although this means we assume Young will come in and dominate like Nick Bosa did. There are just too many questions in this situation.

[B]The ideal scenario at this point for me is Dunbar comes in and play (I read a report somewhere that he said that he will still play regardless of the contract status), sign a CB from FA then draft Young[/B]. If Dunbar manages to justify his desire for a new contract after the 2020 season then Redskins should do everything they can to keep Dunbar. If Dunbar refuses to sign with Redskins then Redskins should franchise tag him and then trade him away.[/quote]

That's my ideal scenario too.

My point is that if Dunbar goes (either trade or release), and we can bring a solid veteran via FA, the situation at CB is fine. And we can bring in a couple of late rounders/UDFAs for depth.
I had the feeling the mood was getting "if Dunbar goes our secondary is doomed" a tad too much.

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Dunbar hasn't done shit,he needs to shut up and get his ass to OTA'S, or get lost,we're about turning this thing around,no time for prima donnas.

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[QUOTE=Burgold;1245097]Dunbar hasn't done shit,he needs to shut up and get his ass to OTA'S, or get lost,we're about turning this thing around,no time for prima donnas.[/QUOTE]Dunbar has been a top rated DB for us. His failings are staying healthy, but he also was a Gruden pet project and if he cannot transfer his mentality to that of Ron Rivera's then he will be gone. It is about the team, not the player or the coach. I hope Dunbar gets it, because on the field he has made great strides.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1245091]That's my ideal scenario too.

My point is that if Dunbar goes (either trade or release), and we can bring a solid veteran via FA, the situation at CB is fine. And we can bring in a couple of late rounders/UDFAs for depth.
[B]I had the feeling the mood was getting "if Dunbar goes our secondary is doomed" a tad too much.[/B][/quote]

You might be right. I'm a defense guy so I always will want Redskins to build a strong defense but even I have to admit the defense will not decline immensely if we trade Dunbar away. The other reason why I want Redskins to keep Dunbar because he is a homegrown player and I always believe in taking care of our own players before treating anyone else from FA.

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either sort this dunbar shit out or trade him for a 2nd this year. - to touch on the moreu topic - i think he can be a good corner - but i think his strength lies more with zone as opposed to man - maybe in the right scheme he will flourish who knows. Excited to see what the group we have can be with real DC and defensive minded staff.

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Chris Russell (yes I know) is reporting that Dunbar's idea of a reasonable contract is $14m per year.....

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Shocking we don’t want to listen

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I say trade him.

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We need to get another good-outstanding CB FA before we figure out with what to do with Dunbar. Then the draft.


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Another option in FA is to bring back Kendall Fuller in a one year deal to see if he can get his CB mojo back


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I think there’s a better chance we bring back Breeland than Fuller


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1245119]Chris Russell (yes I know) is reporting that Dunbar's idea of a reasonable contract is $14m per year.....[/quote]

I think he needs a drug test, he has to be high on something to come up with that number.

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I can't imagine that RR "needs" to keep [U]any[/U] player. He is in the first year of a five year contract to guide a team that is building from the bottom up and he has nearly total control of football operations. RR is LARGE and IN CHARGE. Dunbar should realize that he has next to zero leverage.

Personally, I don't care who he keeps or doesn't keep. I am only looking for substantial improvement on the field this season and significantly more W's in Season Two and beyond.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1245237]I think there’s a better chance we bring back Breeland than Fuller


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Really? I mean Fuller was on a roll with us and he could come cheap -very cheap. He had 4 INT with us his last year. Was it a one year bump? Maybe, so I don’t think they will put all their CB FA eggs in Fuller’s basket. But Kendall may surprise everyone by doing well and for a very low price.

I agree that Breeland as a chance to come back but his last year with us he only had 1 INT. I think Fullers problem with the Chiefs is that they used him the wrong way. I’m not beating the drum for Fuller but he could be a real deal and they could dump him easily if he doesn’t work out.


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Fuller is essentially a rover position, he’s not a CB. We need someone on the outside

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Honestly I don't really get the ongoing fascination with Fuller. I'd take Breeland over him starting on the outside. Fuller is better inside.

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[quote=MTK;1245271]Honestly I don't really get the ongoing fascination with Fuller. I'd take Breeland over him starting on the outside. Fuller is better inside.[/quote]

I assume when people are talking about bringing Fuller back it is to be on the inside

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1245274]I assume when people are talking about bringing Fuller back it is to be on the inside[/quote]

honestly, I rather keep moreland in there...and we have Danny Johnson and Stroman who have experience inside still on the roster.

I rather not over pay for Fuller and spend that on someone who can cover outside.

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Breeland can't cover. Remember? Also, we haven't played well against the run and Moreau and Moreland are basically speed bumps. I think that Stroman and Johnson have potential if they can stay on the field. Basically, except for Dunbar, our DB's are below average.

Those of us who would like to see a reunion with Kendall Fuller are talking about signing him at a bargain price and not about throwing money at him. He could be a steal at the right price. We all remember his outstanding 2017 season with us. He also had two good seasons with KC, posting better numbers by far than any of our CB's except Dunbar. He can cover slot receivers, he is a good tackler he's a playmaker, and he has been available week after week. He would instantly become our second best CB when he is signed.

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Trees (breeland) time is over with us imo. I liked him when he was here as our CB2, he was a finger tip away from making a lot of plays but i would not entertain him coming back here. He is a weak CB2 imo, dont think he plays ST at his age and wouldnt accept an outside corner depth spot.

Dunbar - make him play this year on his contract. I would say just guarantee the year as hes not making a lot but I could see him reporting then missing the year for a hammy.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1245271]Honestly I don't really get the ongoing fascination with Fuller. I'd take Breeland over him starting on the outside. Fuller is better inside.[/QUOTE]



Understood -you may be right. I’m only talking about Fuller if he’s super cheap. I don’t think Breeland wants to come back.

Although he’s older (30), Chris Harris (Denver) could be the short-term deal to fill this gap with a very good player. Byron Jones (Cowboys) never gets any INT and Bradberry misses too many tackles.

Bring over Tre Boston to compliment Collins but not Bradberry.

Harris fills the gap while Kyle Smith drafts for the CB position long-term. We can’t fill all our holes with young FA. I’d rather spend the top dollar on Henry or Hooper and Williams/Scherff/Flowers. Sounds like Trent Williams is going to happen.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1245242]I can't imagine that RR "needs" to keep [U]any[/U] player. He is in the first year of a five year contract to guide a team that is building from the bottom up and he has nearly total control of football operations. RR is LARGE and IN CHARGE. Dunbar should realize that he has next to zero leverage.

Personally, I don't care who he keeps or doesn't keep. I am only looking for substantial improvement on the field this season and significantly more W's in Season Two and beyond.[/quote]

I would hope we get more wins in his first season. I understand it is a rebuild, but I would hope throwing in more discipline and better coaching would at least double last years win total.

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[quote=Warthog;1245289]Understood -you may be right. I’m only talking about Fuller if he’s super cheap. I don’t think Breeland wants to come back.

Although he’s older (30), Chris Harris (Denver) could be the short-term deal to fill this gap with a very good player. Byron Jones (Cowboys) never gets any INT and Bradberry misses too many tackles.

Bring over Tre Boston to compliment Collins but not Bradberry.

Harris fills the gap while Kyle Smith drafts for the CB position long-term. We can’t fill all our holes with young FA. I’d rather spend the top dollar on Henry or Hooper and Williams/Scherff/Flowers. Sounds like Trent Williams is going to happen.


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Agreed. If Bradberry goes relatively cheap (unlikely) I'd bring him in if we can't get Harris as he'd still be an upgrade on what we have. But I wouldn't go after both. Really have to draft the TE as we need a big upgrade over Sprinkle and I can't see us getting an immediate starter in the draft.

What about LB's though? Doesn't seem very rich picking in FA, but what about Cory Littleton, Blake Martinez or Kyle Van Noy if we can get one or two of them?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1245302]I would hope we get more wins in his first season. I understand it is a rebuild, but I would hope throwing in more discipline and better coaching would at least double last years win total.[/quote]

I definitely agree with you. I think there will be more wins than last season, as well, but I don't care as much about that in Year 1 as I care about winning records and playoffs in Year 2 and beyond. That's all I'm saying.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1245302]I would hope we get more wins in his first season. I understand it is a rebuild, but I would hope throwing in more discipline and better coaching would at least double last years win total.[/QUOTE]



Even if we made NO personnel changes this offseason ( which is being presented here just as a concept and not reality), the MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT in coaching, instruction and winning culture would DOUBLE our wins from last season. Our offensive and defensive coaching was THAT BAD before.

But we ARE going to bring in new FA and draft picks. That’s another area of huge upgrade this season. I mean Bruce Allen was such a very poor GM and only made good FA decisions based on rare, blind luck. I think we’ll see younger, better and less injured FA. Kyle Smith will continue his outstanding draft picking prowess. That gets us 1-2 more victories.

But they won’t be able to turn this poor team around in one season. No way. There will be injuries and mistakes as this will be a young, inexperienced team. But winning 7 or 8 victories will be a nice change and we’ll be on the way UP!


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