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[quote=Ohioskins;1249518]When deaths fall in late August it will not be because the virus has gone away, it will be because social distancing, by means of keeping everyone in doors, has worked. But if you let everyone go back outside, even wearing face masks, the virus is still out there ready to infect. That is why "reopening" would require an extremely thorough testing system to make sure that exposure to the virus is very, very limited. I do no see how the NFL with all the sweat, blood and other bodily fluids that are exchanged on almost every play can go forward without endangering the players unless every player is tested the morning of every game and only those who test clean can play.[/quote]

That is why i don't think that Pro Sports in any format will ever come back until there is a vaccine. But the vaccine is a slippery slope as well. Just like people who don't get flu vaccines, there are bound to be people who won't want to get Covid vaccines. Due to the current crisis, could the government mandate inoculations of all people, is that even legal / constitutional?

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Play the games and let a certain amount of people in the stands, have them spread out, aka social distancing. Make sure there is plenty of hand washing areas besides inside the bathrooms.

As someone who has a home in Ca and lives there part time, I pay zero attention to what the Ca politicians have to say.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1249480]My expectations are:
The season to open, possibly delayed because of the training camp delays.
Club level seating will be available
Nose bleed seats will not.
ground level and 2nd tier will be available as a lottery to season ticket holders, but a majority won't even want to go.

In all honesty, would anyone here go to Fedex with a risk of Covid versus staying at home and hosting watch parties???[/quote]

No cause Fed Ex is a shit hole in a crappy part of town. If the stadium was still in Capital Hill or somewhere inside the city I'd go in a heartbeat.

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Seems to me that vaccination was mandated back in the 50's to deal with polio. I remember standing in real, real long lines to get my polio vaccination.

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I ain't taking any vaccination that has any connection to Bill Gates.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1249519]That is why i don't think that Pro Sports in any format will ever come back until there is a vaccine. But the vaccine is a slippery slope as well. Just like people who don't get flu vaccines, there are bound to be people who won't want to get Covid vaccines. Due to the current crisis, could the government mandate inoculations of all people, is that even legal / constitutional?[/quote]

PGA is coming back in June

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[quote=MTK;1249525]PGA is coming back in June[/quote]

Not only that but baseball is discussing playing their games in Arizona. Hockey is talking about finishing the games in less populated states like North Dakoda. We're going to have pro sports and soon. I'm convinced of that.

I think college football is in serious trouble.

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I hope you guys are right! Even watching empty arenas on TV will still be better than nothing at all.

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Well if your are foolish enough to refuse a vaccine just because of some infantile dislike of Bill Gates, I hope the requirement to get the vaccination is enforceable with jail time.

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Like football, hockey involves lots of close contact and potential exchanges of body fluids and heavy breathing. If I were a hockey player, i would refuse to play unless there was mandatory testing of every player before every game. I don't believe any athlete should be required to risk his health and life in order to entertain us. That went out with the gladiators in Rome.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249528]Well if your are foolish enough to refuse a vaccine just because of some infantile dislike of Bill Gates, I hope the requirement to get the vaccination is enforceable with jail time.[/quote]

There is nothing infantile about not liking Bill Gates. Get your head out of the sand.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249528]Well if your are foolish enough to refuse a vaccine just because of some infantile dislike of Bill Gates, I hope the requirement to get the vaccination is enforceable with jail time.[/quote]

Implying that people who don't get vaccines should be jailed is some seriously scary, communist level shit. Bernie, is that you?

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I’m not raking any meds ,vaccines or anything else made in China !! Ever took generic drug .. I was switched (insurance ) and the side effects were horrible .. I’m not sure about any Govt mandated anything..

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I wouldn't count on a vaccine for this ... we don't have vaccines for most viruses.

And I know they call the flu shots vaccines ... but it's not a vaccine if you have to take it every year, and if the doc is guessing which strain of flu to protect you against.

The key to returning to normal is two fold --- it must be easy to test, and there must be an effective treatment for those who test positive.

There are several treatment remedies that show tremendous promise. The Koreans have had very good luck with an anti-body regimen that worked well for folks in WuHan China. Docs in Kansas City and also in Europe have had very good success with the anti-malaria drug.

Time to fully develop these remedies, or find some more, has been bought by shutting down the economy, and over the next couple of months, I believe that these treatments will be further fine tuned so that life can return to a more normal state.

Keeping the economy shut down for much longer, could be much more devastating for the entire world, than dealing with this version of coronavirus. Plunging the world into a depression will kill millions ... probably not Americans, but all the other countries who depend on a strong economy in the US to drive their economies will be devastated.


I think the public needs to start wrapping their heads around the fact that COVID 19 will be with us from here to eternity. For years to come, people will get this. And people will die from it. Like they do with the flu and pneumonia, and a whole bunch of other illnesses.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249529]Like football, hockey involves lots of close contact and potential exchanges of body fluids and heavy breathing. If I were a hockey player, i would refuse to play unless there was mandatory testing of every player before every game. I don't believe any athlete should be required to risk his health and life in order to entertain us. That went out with the gladiators in Rome.[/quote]

Not saying there isn't a risk, but athletes whose bodies are in top physical condition probably aren't a high risk for the most serious effects (ie death) from COVID. They are mostly 20-35, top physical condition with no, or few health issues.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1249535]I wouldn't count on a vaccine for this ... we don't have vaccines for most viruses.

And I know they call the flu shots vaccines ... but it's not a vaccine if you have to take it every year, and if the doc is guessing which strain of flu to protect you against.

The key to returning to normal is two fold --- it must be easy to test, and there must be an effective treatment for those who test positive.

There are several treatment remedies that show tremendous promise. The Koreans have had very good luck with an anti-body regimen that worked well for folks in WuHan China. Docs in Kansas City and also in Europe have had very good success with the anti-malaria drug.

Time to fully develop these remedies, or find some more, has been bought by shutting down the economy, and over the next couple of months, I believe that these treatments will be further fine tuned so that life can return to a more normal state.

[B]Keeping the economy shut down for much longer, could be much more devastating for the entire world, than dealing with this version of coronavirus. Plunging the world into a depression will kill millions ... probably not Americans, but all the other countries who depend on a strong economy in the US to drive their economies will be devastated.
[/B]

I think the public needs to start wrapping their heads around the fact that COVID 19 will be with us from here to eternity. For years to come, people will get this. And people will die from it. Like they do with the flu and pneumonia, and a whole bunch of other illnesses.[/quote]

Yup

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Did I see someone on here actually suggesting to lock people up for refusing a vaccine if it were made available? Is this still the good ole U S of A or what? You can't be serious....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1249536]Not saying there isn't a risk, but athletes whose bodies are in top physical condition probably aren't a high risk for the most serious effects (ie death) from COVID. They are mostly 20-35, top physical condition with no, or few health issues.[/quote]

There are enough people dying without underlying health conditions and/or in otherwise good state of health to say that being fit and healthy is NOT a sign you can't die of this. Some are more likely to die than others yes, but its still a lottery.

As said elsewhere, every goverment will need to take a calculated risk in how it exits their respective lockdown and how it deals with the next steps, as the economic scenario projections get worse. Here in the UK the government had done more to support businesses during the lockdown than it seems the US has (I know your system of government madness that harder), so we likely won't be impacted as hard but we'll still likely see a short recession.

The question becomes how important is any one life compared to the economy? As a race we ready should be striving towards being less reliant on money for survival so that question doesn't need to be asked. But that's about as likely right now as rocking horse shit.☹

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Were any of you alive at the time in the 1950's where the polio vaccine was mandatory? Polio was wiped out thru the vaccination process. And if vaccination is necessary for the public good, you are damn right I would support jailing jerks who refuse to accept the vaccine. And that is not "communism". It is the good old fashion state police power reserved to the States pursuant to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution. States have always had power to restrict the right of individuals if it is to the betterment of the entire community and the common good. Heck, just look at traffic light which were controversial around the turn of the 20th century. Traffic lights granted one person the right to move forward while restricting the right of another and requiring them to stop until the light turned green. I think the Supreme Court case that addressed that issue was Euclid v. Ambler Realty. So the state almost always has the power to compel individuals to do or not do something if it is in the greater public good as determined by state governments. Police power is not available to the Federal government. It is reserved, as I mentioned to the States by the Tenth Amendment. So yeah, IF it is determined by a state government that a mandatory vaccine is necessary to eliminate this pandemic, I would certainly support the right of a state to throw into jail whatever jerk arbitrarily refused to accept the vaccine (including because they do not like Bill Gates).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249524]I ain't taking any vaccination that has any connection to Bill Gates.[/quote]

Why?

Honest question

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249550]There are enough people dying without underlying health conditions and/or in otherwise good state of health to say that being fit and healthy is NOT a sign you can't die of this. Some are more likely to die than others yes, but its still a lottery.

As said elsewhere, every goverment will need to take a calculated risk in how it exits their respective lockdown and how it deals with the next steps, as the economic scenario projections get worse. Here in the UK the government had done more to support businesses during the lockdown than it seems the US has (I know your system of government madness that harder), so we likely won't be impacted as hard but we'll still likely see a short recession.

The question becomes how important is any one life compared to the economy? As a race we ready should be striving towards being less reliant on money for survival so that question doesn't need to be asked. But that's about as likely right now as rocking horse shit.☹[/quote]
Life is a calculated risk. Yes, you can die even if you are young fit and healthy, but the chances are so minimal it is ridiculous.
Since tables don't post well, [URL="https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/"]here is a link [/URL] breaking down the deaths in NYC by age and existing conditions. [B]Out of about 7000 deaths as of Apr 14th, 25 were under 44 years old with no underlying conditions.[/B] Stopping an activity based on a <.4 percent chance someone may die, would mean stopping the world economy forever. Life is not fair, life is not risk free, and living doesn't mean you will be safe from all possible eventualities.

Hockey Players, Football Players, especially baseball players whose game is basically a social distancing game, could be on the fields today with minimal risk to the players and most coaches.

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I just wonder how much resistance the players will put up to playing. And let's just say someone tests positive after a game, what do you do then? Shut everything down again? And then there's the TV people, stadium workers, etc. They'd all have to be hunkered down and sequestered as well. It's complicated.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249528]Well if your are foolish enough to refuse a vaccine just because of some infantile dislike of Bill Gates, I hope the requirement to get the vaccination is enforceable with jail time.[/quote]

its not about that, besides the point they, including gates, knew this was coming since October..... it's about my body my life you aint telling me what shit i put in it. Sorry you lived through the polio crisis but im not fucking getting a needle for something that kills 4 out of every million.

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[quote=MTK;1249603]I just wonder how much resistance the players will put up to playing. And let's just say someone tests positive after a game, what do you do then? Shut everything down again? And then there's the TV people, stadium workers, etc. They'd all have to be hunkered down and sequestered as well. It's complicated.[/quote]

Definitely it is complicated, but at the same time they are a multi-billion dollar business with resources to work out complicated problems. As for the players, it does seem like the Union and League are trying to work together to find working solutions, like the virtual OTA's

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[quote=MTK;1249600]Why?

Honest question[/quote]

In general, I just don't trust him. I think he's a one world order type globalist that uses his money to influence decisions that aren't in America's best interests. In regards to his vaccines, there is just a lot of scary information out there about him. He's also linked to big pharma and I just don't think there is enough transparency from them when it comes to things like testing new drugs, etc. I think he has alterior motives.

[url]https://thefullest.com/2020/04/13/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/[/url]

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Meks my friend, IF there is a need for a mandatory vaccination program, then you are the type who would deserve some jail time.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249610]In general, I just don't trust him. I think he's a one world order type globalist that uses his money to influence decisions that aren't in America's best interests. In regards to his vaccines, there is just a lot of scary information out there about him. He's also linked to big pharma and I just don't think there is enough transparency from them when it comes to things like testing new drugs, etc. I think he has alterior motives.

[url]https://thefullest.com/2020/04/13/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/[/url][/quote]

I thought so... sounds like conspiracy theory led bs to me especially if RFK Jr is involved and his anti-vax stance

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MTK, very succinctly stated. And right on.

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[quote=MTK;1249614]I thought so... sounds like conspiracy theory led bs to me especially if RFK Jr is involved and his anti-vax stance[/quote]

How many conspiracy theorists did it take to change a light bulb?

None the government did it

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[quote=MTK;1249614]I thought so... sounds like conspiracy theory led bs to me especially if RFK Jr is involved and his anti-vax stance[/quote]

Lol ok. There are hundreds of thousands of conspiracy theorists out there regarding Bill Gates then.

And I'm not anti vaccine by any stretch. Pretty sure I have every one that is available to me.

Don't think its unreasonable to question the sources and the motives of who wants you to inject something into your body though.

Not sure why Bill Gates is on some pedestal. Why do you trust him so much would be my question to you.

And I honestly never even knew RFK Jr was some anti vax guy.

Don't think it would matter what source I provided, if you could just waive the magic conspiracy theory wand.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249620]Lol ok. There are hundreds of thousands of conspiracy theorists out there regarding Bill Gates then.

And I'm not anti vaccine by any stretch. Pretty sure I have every one that is available to me.

Don't think its unreasonable to question the sources and the motives of who wants you to inject something into your body though.

Not sure why Bill Gates is on some pedestal. Why do you trust him so much would be my question to you.

And I honestly never even knew RFK Jr was some anti vax guy.

Don't think it would matter what source I provided, if you could just waive the magic conspiracy theory wand.[/quote]

Yeah [URL="https://khn.org/morning-breakout/family-of-robert-f-kennedy-jr-publicly-chastise-him-for-disseminating-dangerous-misinformation-about-vaccinations/"]RFK Jr is a big anti-vax guy[/URL]

Not waving any wands, there are definitely a ton of conspiracy theories out there on Gates likely fueled by the anti-vax crowd

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/technology/bill-gates-virus-conspiracy-theories.html#commentsContainer"]Bill Gates, at Odds With Trump on Virus, Becomes a Right-Wing Target[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1249621]Yeah [URL="https://khn.org/morning-breakout/family-of-robert-f-kennedy-jr-publicly-chastise-him-for-disseminating-dangerous-misinformation-about-vaccinations/"]RFK Jr is a big anti-vax guy[/URL]

Not waving any wands, there are definitely a ton of conspiracy theories out there on Gates likely fueled by the anti-vax crowd

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/technology/bill-gates-virus-conspiracy-theories.html#commentsContainer"]Bill Gates, at Odds With Trump on Virus, Becomes a Right-Wing Target[/URL][/quote]

I believed you about him. I had just not heard of it before. I don't really know anything about him.

My opinion of Bill Gates has nothing to do with Trump. Might be true for others or most even tho.

I shouldn't have said anything. Trying to stay out of the politics stuff here right now. And this isn't even a political thread.

Hopefully we can find multiple ways to prevent and treat this that is a healthy option for large majorities of the population.

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I think Gates can be trusted because he voluntarily surrendered most of his fortune and dedicated it to public good. He has done more for the world than anyone on this board. He has done more for the world than any of the Trumps or other self centered right wing conspiracy jerks. He made a fortune and he has dedicated that fortune to make the world better for those less fortunate than him. He deserves RESPECT for trying to use his good fortune for the benefit of others.

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John McAfee:

I met Bill Gates only once.

He did disclose, however, that he named his company ...

Microsoft ...

After the size and condition
Of his penis.

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Funny, funny.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249628]I think Gates can be trusted because he voluntarily surrendered most of his fortune and dedicated it to public good. He has done more for the world than anyone on this board. He has done more for the world than any of the Trumps or other self centered right wing conspiracy jerks. He made a fortune and he has dedicated that fortune to make the world better for those less fortunate than him. He deserves RESPECT for trying to use his good fortune for the benefit of others.[/quote]

Not only that, he owned his mistakes.. Even he admitted that when he founded Microsoft, he wasn't exactly a great guy at the time.

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Try this scene..two players on two different teams test positive just before the start of the season...the rest of the team has to quarentine and there goes the season.

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[quote=Burgold;1249768]Try this scene..two players on two different teams test positive just before the start of the season...the rest of the team has to quarentine and there goes the season.[/quote]

... unless there are treatments available that allow for the recovery of the infected players.

Effective treatments for this thing are popping up all over the world. Some as quick as 4 and 5 days.

The idea that we will always have to quarantine as a society over this does not give our health care providers any credit for their abilities to find treatments to these kinds of viruses.

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1249770]... unless there are treatments available that allow for the recovery of the infected players.



Effective treatments for this thing are popping up all over the world. Some as quick as 4 and 5 days.



The idea that we will always have to quarantine as a society over this does not give our health care providers any credit for their abilities to find treatments to these kinds of viruses.[/QUOTE]Plus a quarantine is 2 to 3 weeks, not a full nfl season

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The New York Post's Andrew Marchand reports the NFL is considering scheduling more Saturday games if the NCAA college football season is postponed.
It's one way to dominate the weekend. The Thursday and Monday schedules wouldn't be affected, but the NFL could opt for a couple island games on Saturdays if the college season doesn't happen due to COVID-19. The NFL is expected to release its schedule by May 9, and there will be built-in flexibility to move some games to Saturdays depending on what the NCAA decides. The NFL could conceivably have a triple-header of sorts on Saturdays like it does during the playoffs with games at 1 PM ET, 4:30 PM ET, and 8 PM ET.

Lol...good. Lotta fuckin up going around and the NFL is gonna come out on top. No surprise. College football needs to realize if things go really well, they might stay this way going forward