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[quote=punch it in;1255350]There is absolutely zero evidence that a majority of Native Americans is for or against it. That being said we unequivocally know that there are those that are against it. How many Native Americans have you actually asked?


“As ye sow, so shall ye reap”[/quote]

I'm gonna defer to [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/i-think-its-travesty-former-washington-kicker-mark-moseley-upset-name-change"]Mark Moseley[/URL] on this one.

I'm sure he's got some bias on the issue too but if he's done as much outreach as the article implies and met so many Native Americans who aren't offended by the name, that's good enough for me.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1255354]I'm gonna defer to [URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/i-think-its-travesty-former-washington-kicker-mark-moseley-upset-name-change"]Mark Moseley[/URL] on this one.



I'm sure he's got some bias on the issue too but if he's done as much outreach as the article implies and met so many Native Americans who aren't offended by the name, that's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]



He says hundreds and hundreds which is obviously debatable. Same tribe? Different tribes? Was it actually 7 of them at a bar and he was buying them drinks? Lol. Who knows? I have seen and heard from plenty who do have a problem though. We all have. We just say they have a secret agenda when they speak up.

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Is there any possibility that native Americans Political affiliations determines whether the name is a issue ..point is it’s all political driven crap . And do not forget that the black community has supported the redskins in huge numbers for many many years . So a huge minority group supported a rascist team ?? Give me a damn break .. it’s the silly ass “woke culture” that has issues with everything ! I have several very good black friends who think the name change is absurd ..

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[quote=punch it in;1255357]He says hundreds and hundreds which is obviously debatable. Same tribe? Different tribes? Was it actually 7 of them at a bar and he was buying them drinks? Lol. Who knows? I have seen and heard from plenty who do have a problem though. We all have. We just say they have a secret agenda when they speak up.[/quote]

Yes, I totally believe you've met more Native Americans than Mark Moseley has in 40 years of representing the Redskins.

Punch I'm trying to tread carefully here because I really don't have a problem with you, but it's clear there's nothing that's going to sway your opinion on the subject, and there's nothing that's going to sway mine. It's clear you're never going to be convinced that Native Americans aren't united on the subject of the Redskins name, and you sure as hell aren't gonna convince me that the majority of Native Americans hated the name.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1255361]Yes, I totally believe you've met more Native Americans than Mark Moseley has in 40 years of representing the Redskins.



Punch I'm trying to tread carefully here because I really don't have a problem with you, but it's clear there's nothing that's going to sway your opinion on the subject, and there's nothing that's going to sway mine. It's clear you're never going to be convinced that Native Americans aren't united on the subject of the Redskins name, and you sure as hell aren't gonna convince me that the majority of Native Americans hated the name.[/QUOTE]



LOL. Who said i met more Native Americans than Moseley. I meant seen and heard through the media, online etc... like we all have. Dont tread lightly on my account speak your mind. Im not the only one who feels this way on the board. Few others.
Also, I never said one way or another about a majority of them. I actually said there is zero proof either way. So im certainly not trying to convince you or anyone that a majority feels one way or the other. If ten percent of em are offended that’s enough for me though.

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[quote=mooby;1255361]Yes, I totally believe you've met more Native Americans than Mark Moseley has in 40 years of representing the Redskins.

Punch I'm trying to tread carefully here because I really don't have a problem with you, but it's clear there's nothing that's going to sway your opinion on the subject, and there's nothing that's going to sway mine. It's clear you're never going to be convinced that Native Americans aren't united on the subject of the Redskins name, and you sure as hell aren't gonna convince me that the majority of Native Americans hated the name.[/quote]

And why does a majority have to hate the name? I don’t think that there is a question that some, likely many Native Americans feel that the name is racist and hurtful to them. And that should be enough. Additionally, is there any doubt that the word Redskins was a pejorative when speaking about native Americans at some point in our history?

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1255365]And why does a majority have to hate the name? I don’t think that there is a question that some, likely many Native Americans feel that the name is racist and hurtful to them. And that should be enough. Additionally, is there any doubt that the word Redskins was a pejorative when speaking about native Americans at some point in our history?[/quote]

Because why are the offended more important than the Native Americans that take pride in the name? [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html"]The ones who are happy[/URL] to be represented on the national stage? Some people are going to be offended at everything and anything, I mean there is at least one person out there in the world that is offended by the name Texas Rangers. You're heading down a dangerous road when you declare the most vocal people in an argument the winner.

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[quote=mooby;1255375]Because [U][B]why are the offended more important than the Native Americans that take pride in the name? [/B][/U][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html"]The ones who are happy[/URL] to be represented on the national stage? Some people are going to be offended at everything and anything, I mean there is at least one person out there in the world that is offended by the name Texas Rangers. You're heading down a dangerous road when you declare the most vocal people in an argument the winner.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=punch it in;1255350]There is absolutely zero evidence that a majority of Native Americans is for or against it. That being said we unequivocally know that there are those that are against it. How many Native Americans have you actually asked?


“As ye sow, so shall ye reap”[/quote]

The amount of lobbing about 10 pebbles into the Mississippi, on my own... Just cuz I know them... But there was that poll that wa conducted that's where the 90% in 2019 came from. To each their own in regards to what that poll shows.

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Punch wants his woke points. If that involves shitting on anyone here or himself up to 2 weeks ago, so be it.

You know I love you Punch, but you're being a holier than thou right now.

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[quote=mooby;1255375][B]Because why are the offended more important than the Native Americans that take pride in the name? [/B][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-arizona-a-navajo-high-school-emerges-as-a-defender-of-the-washington-redskins/2014/10/26/dcfc773a-592b-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html"]The ones who are happy[/URL] to be represented on the national stage? Some people are going to be offended at everything and anything, I mean there is at least one person out there in the world that is offended by the name Texas Rangers. You're heading down a dangerous road when you declare the most vocal people in an argument the winner.[/quote]

Being offended has all the power in this country now. If you have more than 10% of people on the side of being offended, then the other 80% - 90% can go fuck themselves. Being offended has all the power.

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When this WaPo story drops we may have a real reason to be embarrassed to wear Skins gear.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1255388]Being offended has all the power in this country now. If you have more than 10% of people on the side of being offended, then the other 80% - 90% can go fuck themselves. Being offended has all the power.[/quote]

It doesn't even require 10%...2-3% can overrule the majority (see homosexual movement). YOU MUST BAKE THE CAKE!

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[quote=MTK;1255421]When this WaPo story drops we may have a real reason to be embarrassed to wear Skins gear.[/quote]

This.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1255388]Being offended has all the power in this country now. If you have more than 10% of people on the side of being offended, then the other 80% - 90% can go fuck themselves. Being offended has all the power.[/QUOTE]



Yeah SD but you gotta be able to determine if it is something that is genuinely hurtful. Most people do not claim hurt feelings because of some other reason. Lol. They are genuinely troubled. Of that 90 percent that seemingly doesn’t care - probably 60 percent is just silent. It doesn’t mean that they don’t care. Usually the 30 percent that are the ones waving their flag are the ones that have an agenda driven by money or their own interests that in their minds outweigh someone’s feelings. I just do not buy into the mentality that “10” percent of a group of people do not matter, and honestly what is the harm of changing names, statues, or shit like that? Nobody’s civil liberties are being stripped. Quite the contrary- everyones civil liberties are being looked out for.

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Many will wear their old Redskins gear out of spite. But it will be harder and harder to get. The new WASH PO story just brought this franchise to a new low. Unfortunately, that sort of sexist sub-culture will be associated with the Redskins label.


I see the new Red Wolves name as a new start, under the new leadership of Rivera. Hopefully, Snyder will give an apology to the fans. But I doubt it - billionaires do not concern themselves with the feelings of the sheep.

In the beginning many will wear Redskins gear. But as time goes on, the number will decrease as the Red Wolves [emoji191] name gains traction. Finally, only the “old timers” will wear old Redskins stuff. I think picking a cool name like Red Wolves and the Wash Po scandal will accelerate the transition to the new name.


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Personally, I was going to wear my Redskins stuff until it wore out. NOW, with this new scandal, I will buy my new McLaurin or Young shirt if I like the new logo (Red Wolves).


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The way things are going I may have to burn my Redskins shit so I won't feel dirty if I slip up and wear it.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1255820]The way things are going I may have to burn my Redskins shit so I won't feel dirty if I slip up and wear it.[/quote]

To be honest with you, I would not blame you. I'm so over this team.

My thought process is "I don't want to quit on them" But that is like a shitty relationship that you realistically know things wont get better but you are staying hopeful for a change.... Once I purchase another teams shirt/hoodie or whatever , it would be like a man or woman dating someone new... I won't look back either.

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Matty, open up a Classifieds section. Not kidding! If some members want to sell their merch to other Redskins fans, it's better than burning it.

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Think I'll be packing away the Skins stuff for a while. Why would anyone want to associate with being a fan of this garbage team?

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[quote=MTK;1255838]Think I'll be packing away the Skins stuff for a while. Why would anyone want to associate with being a fan of this garbage team?[/quote]

Yeah man, I'm not wearing any out in public for a while.

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Time to remove the license plate holder I have too.

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I Have the R tatted on my arm, that will stay lol but other than that I'm done with the Redskins

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1255843]I Have the R tatted on my arm, that will stay lol but other than that I'm done with the Redskins[/quote]

I know someone with a big Redskins tat on his arm.

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Don't know why everyone is still upset. Synder released a 3 paragraph statement. Issue is resolved in my book. Yes, that was sarcasm.

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[quote=MTK;1255838]Think I'll be packing away the Skins stuff for a while. Why would anyone want to associate with being a fan of this garbage team?[/quote]

Gotta say my previous defiance is a bit on the wane.

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My children have been trying to get me to become an Eagles fan for years. The reason I didn’t was because of the way Eagle’s fans treated me in Philly when I brought my kids to games. Drunken fans yelled at me, used profanity, asked me to fight - all while I was holding the hand of my son, who was 7 at the time.

I could live through years of crappy teams. Of buffoonery by his lackeys like Bruce Allen, Vinny Cerrato. I was on another Redskins fan site and had over 9,000 posts. Then the site’s owners just decided to close it up. I didn’t join another fan site for a couple years. Finally I started posting here.

But I don’t know if I can support a team that allows sexual harassment. I have daughters. I can’t support a company run by an asshole owner who can’t simply say “l’m sorry” for what happened. Not a perfectly worded statement made solely so he doesn’t get sued.

An hour ago, I wrote that this issue might bring Snyder down. Now I think this issue WILL BRING SNYDER DOWN. People were boycotting the team before, due to poor football performances over many years. How many MORE will boycott over sexual harassment over many years. I will. ANY MONEY you spend on this team goes to keep Dan Snyder as the owner.

Write a letter to the NFL and say that you love this team but want Dan Snyder gone. That you can’t support a team that abuses its employees and then uses non-disclosure forms and all the lawyers a billionaire can buy, to keep these employees quiet.

This story will beget more stories by employees who won’t be cowed by Snyder’s lawyers. This iceberg will begin to rise up and show more abuse of its employees. I will not do anything to support Dan Snyder as the owner. I will buy no products, nor tickets that may go into Dan Snyder’s pockets. He has been a disaster for this team from day one. In every way possible. Now we have to be ashamed of supporting our team because of what his lack of leadership.

Write the NFL now!! Let’s get rid of this bum!


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The Eagles just gave a wrist-slap for anti-Semitism and have been one of the big players in the kneeling circus.

They're no better morally, possibly worse.

I've never seen Redskins fans regularly beating up fans from visiting teams or throwing batteries at players either.

Philly is trash, the city and the team.

*posting as a PA resident*

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1255036]Are you kidding me? Buy up all the legacy Redskins fan gear TODAY. Take your gently used fan gear as well.

Vacuum seal all of it.......put it in a weatherproof storage bin.

In 15 years or more........ SELL THAT SHIT AND RETIRE![/quote]

if you are in your 30s, maybe.
at 55 theres no point in that.

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my stuff over the past years.
[IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/34/a4/wPRTuAUr_o.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/08/ac/EqEa9ddl_o.jpg[/IMG]

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when Ebbets field flannels had its first nfl license years ago, I got this

[IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/5e/0c/nuwdJCAd_o.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/04/50/ZqouQrvn_o.jpg[/IMG]

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The question for me is whether I will ever wear anything with the new name on it.

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[quote=celts32;1256030]The question for me is whether I will ever wear anything with the new name on it.[/quote]

lol same

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[quote=celts32;1256030]The question for me is whether I will ever wear anything with the new name on it.[/quote]

My buddy only wears Bullet stuff and refuses to call them the Wizards.

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Got my last 2 Redskins shirts I'll ever buy delivered today.

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[quote=punch it in;1255364]LOL. Who said i met more Native Americans than Moseley. I meant seen and heard through the media, online etc... like we all have. Dont tread lightly on my account speak your mind. Im not the only one who feels this way on the board. Few others.
Also, I never said one way or another about a majority of them. I actually said there is zero proof either way. So im certainly not trying to convince you or anyone that a majority feels one way or the other. If ten percent of em are offended that’s enough for me though.[/quote]Me too!!

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Interesting article on the transition.


[url]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/20/redskins-rebrand-faces-challenges-time-constraints/[/url]


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Experts expressed doubts about whether Washington could realistically complete an entire rebrand by the start of the season. Walsh, for instance, said it was possible to introduce a new name and start to make some changes around the team’s facilities before then, but added “there’s not a ton” that can get done in two months.


O’Keefe and Williams floated the idea of the team playing under generic burgundy-and-gold uniforms that just had “Washington” on them, while a new logo is designed. The Wizards’ transition from the Bullets took a full two years.

While Washington hasn’t solicited suggestions from fans, Walsh said there are steps a team can take to gauge public reaction. He noted that the NHL’s Vegas Golden Knights got a good amount of feedback on each of their potential names when the team’s trademark applications were discovered.

Once Washington does settle on a new name, it will have to decide how it wants to introduce it to the public. Williams remembered the Wizards holding two big, televised press conferences — one for the name and another to unveil the jerseys and logos. Williams said the logo unveiling was held at a Modell’s Sporting Goods and everyone who attended the press conference received a T-shirt featuring the image.

But the circumstances around Washington’s change, in particular, could force a different path. Would a splashy press conference, for example, further upset the faction of fans who don’t want the name to change?[B] A Morning Consult poll found last week that 49% of Americans do not want the name changed. Only 29% were in favor, with the other 22% undecided.[/B] O’Keefe said it usually takes six to 12 months for a team’s fan base to “get comfortable” with a new name.

“It’s always going to be a mixed bag at first,” O’Keefe said. “No matter how well the Redskins does with this process, you’re still going to have people angry because they love the old name and the new one is new. It doesn’t have any storied history. … At first, they’re still kind of (ticked) off that they lost a name that they cared about.”

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If there is a season, I will definitely be wearing my Skins gear and I will probably do so for the foreseeable future. I have Chase Young and a Haskins jersey. They are both new and I intend to get my money's worth out of them. Like others I think for me the question is when will I ever wear a jersey with the new team name.