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Defensive grades so far.

KPL = 84 (He's really good)
Chase = 81
Fabian = 75

Offensive grades

Terry = 76
Moses = 68
Gibson = 64

Haskins has a 47.8 Passing grade

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1259616][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eiaq7WhVoAEI6bY?format=png&name=900x900[/IMG]



Haskins is clearly better when he's in quick game situations[/QUOTE]Thats a crazy split

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1259655]Thats a crazy split

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Basically when he has to sit back there and think, he isn't very effective. He's much better on quick game, problem is this isn't college football and you can't do that every play

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Makes sense that he's better on the quick stuff, essentially one read throws.

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[quote=MTK;1259652]Put in Allen and you're essentially throwing in the towel on Haskins. Way too early for that. Give Dwayne the season and evaluate after that. [B]This was a rebuilding year anyway.[/B][/quote]

Bingo.

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On throws of 10+ yards downfield Haskins is 6/22 102 yards 1 Td 0 Ints

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Secondary was sitting in soft cover a lot. A good bit of completions in front of them, which I guess was the design and intention. I thought the secondary did a good job of coming up and making tackles though.

Apke - boy ... hes processing way to slow. On that long ball to Isbealla, he watches the WR running full speed at him but doesnt read or recognize or react .. just stands there flat footed and doesnt turn his hips to run with him until isbaella is past him. Lucky it was an underthrown ball.

We knew he was a project when we drafted him, banking on his speed and hopes of being coachable ... but I question his feel for the game.

hes another guy that seems to be destined to be special teams and a no. 2 backup.

edit --

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1307785886042664964?s=20[/url]

heres the Apke play. Bullock points out it looks like Apke was caught reading a crossing route in front of him .. at least that is some kind of explanation.

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Terry vs Peterson yesterday.

4 targets
3 Catches
51 yards
1 TD

Terry is a monster

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Need to get the ball in Terry's hands as much as possible.

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[quote=MTK;1259652]Put in Allen and you're essentially throwing in the towel on Haskins. Way too early for that. Give Dwayne the season and evaluate after that. This was a rebuilding year anyway.[/quote]

I'm ready . . . he is not an NFL caliber QB IMO. He even missed his layups and is worse when you give him time to throw . . . Its time! Only reason to keep him in is to ensure a higher draft pick.

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[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1307785886042664964?s=20[/url]

That strip sack when we were in the RZ early in the game.

Scherff gets beat quickly .. I have not seen anything on his injury yet.

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Regarding Turner, not even sure what his plan was or is at this point. But if your line suck and your Qb isn't that good then perhaps it's hard to judge him.

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[quote=MTK;1259657]Makes sense that he's better on the quick stuff, essentially one read throws.[/quote]

also, when he has a little time he tries to throw longer passes . . . which end up nowhere near their intended target.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1259663]I'm ready . . . he is not an NFL caliber QB IMO. He even missed his layups and is worse when you give him time to throw . . . Its time! Only reason to keep him in is to ensure a higher draft pick.[/quote]

9 career starts and you're done eh

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I say let him get to 20 career starts and then judge him. If he's bad by week 13 or so then just put Allen in and see what he can do over the final month

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1259663]I'm ready . . . he is not an NFL caliber QB IMO. He even missed his layups and is worse when you give him time to throw . . . Its time! Only reason to keep him in is to ensure a higher draft pick.[/quote]

It was his 9th career start. Nine. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 , 6, 7, 8 ... NINE.

[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/25SsCCCwmz8/sddefault.jpg[/IMG]

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Final thought on DH

Haskins' average time to throw is 2.15 seconds. Last in the NFL.

He is under pressure on 35.1% of his dropbacks, 3rd most.

The receiving core isn't helping out either. Terry seems to be the only receiver getting open and the TE group is arguably the worst in the NFL.

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[quote=MTK;1259667]9 career starts and you're done eh[/quote]

yes i am . . . sometimes you can tell a turd is a turd pretty quickly

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We played bad yesterday but what pissed me off the most is when our coach quit with time left on the clock. Sure the chances of us scoring two TD's is slim but there is always a fluke chance. If the coach gives up how can he expect the player not to give up. He set a poor standard and you could even see the players looking to the sideline wondering what the hell.

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Defense: 77 total plays
Defensive Line
Chase Young - 55 (71%)
Montez Sweat - 50 (65%)
Jon Allen - 50 (65%)
DaRon Payne - 47 (61%)
Matt Ioannidis - 42 (55%)
Ryan Kerrigan - 23 (30%)
Ryan Anderson - 19 (25%)
Tim Settle - 15 (19%)
James Smith-Williams - 7 (9%)

Linebackers
Jon Bostic - 77 (100%)
Kevin Pierre-Louis - 75 (97%)
Shaun Dion Hamilton - 6 (8%)

Secondary
S Troy Apke - 77 (100%)
S Landon Collins - 77 (100%)
CB Jimmy Moreland - 77 (100%)
CB Ronald Darby - 76 (99%)
CB Fabian Moreau - 41 (53%)
S Kamren Curl - 32 (42%)
CB Greg Stroman - 1 (1%)

[url]https://www.radio.com/thefandc/sports/washington-football-team/washington-football-week-2-snap-count-analysis-vs-cardinals[/url]

- 2 LBs every snap
- Moreland and Darby are ahead of Moreau
- Curl is getting a lot of PT as a sub package
- Kerrigan had limited snaps .. 5 1st rounders for 4 spots.

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RR on Haskins "He has to get in rhythm early on, he can't miss the easy throws"

"It's on all of us to get going"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1259670]Final thought on DH

Haskins' average time to throw is 2.15 seconds. Last in the NFL.

He is under pressure on 35.1% of his dropbacks, 3rd most.

The receiving core isn't helping out either. Terry seems to be the only receiver getting open and the TE group is arguably the worst in the NFL.[/quote]

Thanks for posting grades and nuggets like this.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1259671]yes i am . . . sometimes you can tell a turd is a turd pretty quickly[/quote]

I could give you numbers on plenty of QBs who didn't play great in their first 9 starts that ended up being stars, but obviously you have your mind made up. Not saying DH is going to be a star, but I'd give him a full season.

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2 moves I would make this week:

Move Apke out the line up. He doesn’t not have the instincts for the safety position and with such a strong unit he is too much of a liability. At the minimum he must keep guys in front of him, he can’t do that. He is a special teamer, not a starter.

Insert Charles if he looks healthy and ready at Tackle. Now with Schreff down, I don’t we have any other other but to play Wes Martin

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[quote=MTK;1259681]I could give you numbers on plenty of QBs who didn't play great in their first 9 starts that ended up being stars, but obviously you have your mind made up. Not saying DH is going to be a star, but I'd give him a full season.[/quote]

Josh Rosen looked far better in his first 9 games behind at least as bad of an offensive line and the Cards canned his ass (while the skins fans wanted to bring him in) . . . Haskins has looked worse (in these last two games) than any QB i ever remember . . . ever!

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1259684]Josh Rosen looked far better in his first 9 games behind at least as bad of an offensive line and the Cards canned his ass (while the skins fans wanted to bring him in) . . . [B]Haskins has looked worse (in these last two games) than any QB i ever remember . . . ever![/B][/quote]

You must not have watched a lot of football lol

He looked worse in his first two starts last year. A lot worse.

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Right guard Brandon Scherff will miss a few weeks with a knee injury, Washington head coach Ron Rivera told local media on Monday, but the prognosis is a lot better than originally thought.

"We got some good news on him. It's positive," Rivera said. "He's going to miss a couple of weeks, but it was all positive. We'll go from there."

[url]https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/sports/nbcsports/ron-rivera-good-news-on-brandon-scherff-will-miss-a-couple-of-weeks/2424121/[/url]

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CB's - I actually like how they've played. They're competing and Fuller hasn't played yet. I'd re-sign/extend Fabian. I'd add a guy here in the top 3 rounds.
S - Bottom 5 tandem in the NFL. We're stuck with Collins at SS. We need to add a stud at FS by any means possible. Including up to a 1st or 2nd round pick if needed.
LB's - KPL looked nice yesterday. We still need another stud here. KPL, Holcomb, Bostic, new addition can work.
DL - Can't be much better here.

WR's - We have a superstar and solid slot guy. Need a bonafide # 2. Need to bring someone in via draft or FA.
TE's - This unit needs a massive overhaul. Thomas is a # 2 type TE. Need 2 guys here.
OL - Absolute fucking trash. I don't respect them as men. Scherff went out and we played better. He can walk. Moses has been our best guy and he's been mediocre. I'd probably keep him. And I like Charles. I'd replace LG, C, RG if possible. The money saved on BS and a draft pick or 2 should make this possible.
RB's - I like Gibson and McKissic. Think we need another guy here that can handle multiple carries.
QB - Man this one kills me. I say you have to keep starting Haskins until at least midseason. But I'm done making excuses for him. He needs to improve drastically with the basics.

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[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1307817535543431169?s=20[/url]

^^ positive play by the O line on Gibsons 11 yard TD run. Wes martin comes over from RG to seal the lane, Moses locks up the LB nicely, Gibson with a strong finish and nose for the TD for his first TD of his career.

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If I remember correctly wasn't a knock on Cousins that he held the ball too long and played too safe. It was thought to be because Gruden preached ball protection to the point it affected his performance. Maybe Haskins has the same issue of trying to protect the ball too much. It seems when there is traffic around the WR he tends to throw it too high. When the WR has someone tight on him the ball is to low and away from the WR. Just a guess.

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We are who we thought we were .... a team in rebuild with a quarterback that may or may not be the future. My eyes tell me he is not, but that will be crystal clear by years end either way. Besides quarterback we need a lot of help along the o line and in our secondary. MLB is still lacking too imo. Another wr and a te. Yeah we still have several glaring holes and a tough ass schedule. We are staring down the barrel of a 3-6 win season. One more draft and free agency period should be enough to sure up enough of those holes to be competitive. Haskins is the elephant in the room right now......

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1259687]CB's - I actually like how they've played. They're competing and Fuller hasn't played yet. I'd re-sign/extend Fabian. I'd add a guy here in the top 3 rounds.
S - Bottom 5 tandem in the NFL. We're stuck with Collins at SS. We need to add a stud at FS by any means possible. Including up to a 1st or 2nd round pick if needed.
LB's - KPL looked nice yesterday. We still need another stud here. KPL, Holcomb, Bostic, new addition can work.
DL - Can't be much better here.

WR's - We have a superstar and solid slot guy. Need a bonafide # 2. Need to bring someone in via draft or FA.
TE's - This unit needs a massive overhaul. Thomas is a # 2 type TE. Need 2 guys here.
OL - Absolute fucking trash. [B]I don't respect them as men[/B]. Scherff went out and we played better. He can walk. Moses has been our best guy and he's been mediocre. I'd probably keep him. And I like Charles. I'd replace LG, C, RG if possible. The money saved on BS and a draft pick or 2 should make this possible.
RB's - I like Gibson and McKissic. Think we need another guy here that can handle multiple carries.
QB - Man this one kills me. I say you have to keep starting Haskins until at least midseason. But I'm done making excuses for him. He needs to improve drastically with the basics.[/quote]

A little harsh..lol. They may be bad at blocking but could be good guys off the field.

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How can you not have a te better than a former college Qb? That sums up the status of the position right there.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1259697]A little harsh..lol. They may be bad at blocking but could be good guys off the field.[/quote]

Probably. And they could all kick my ass lol.

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Dwayne Haskins completed 58% of his passes today. His expected completion percentage was 67%. That -9 differential ranks 2nd-worst in the NFL in Week 2 so far. He finished last in that category in Week 1.

For the season is -10.6% differential ranks 34th out of 34 QB's.

Grant Paulsen

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This team is not quite as good as they looked in quarters 2-4 last week, and they aren't quite as bad as they looked in quarters 1-3 yesterday. I think they are somewhere in the middle. One thing is for sure, they have to stop spotting the opponent 17-20 points.

It's been two games against two pretty good defenses. Turner has to look at these two games and figure out what works, and what doesn't...what DH is good at, and what he isn't.

I do expect a more complete game next week, with a faster (more competent) start from the offense. Gibson/McKissic averaged over 5 yards a carry combined. I look for them to pound the ball early and often against Cleveland.

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[quote=MTK;1259685]You must not have watched a lot of football lol

He looked worse in his first two starts last year. A lot worse.[/quote]

lol . . . Rosen has looked quite a bit better . . just too confident and tries to make throws he shouldn't . . . but when he had time he hit his wide open receivers, unlike haskins . . . Haskinis is like Tim Robbins in Bull Durham . . . In that movie kevin costner tells tim robbins to him him with a fastball from 10 feet away knowing he wouldn't come close . . . neither would haskins! I've never seem anyone as inaccurate as haskins has been!

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1259701]Dwayne Haskins completed 58% of his passes today. His expected completion percentage was 67%. That -9 differential ranks 2nd-worst in the NFL in Week 2 so far. He finished last in that category in Week 1.



For the season is -10.6% differential ranks 34th out of 34 QB's.



Grant Paulsen[/QUOTE]



Don’t need numbers to confirm his accuracy or lack there of.... like i said in the gameday thread he couldn’t pin the tail on the donkey without a blindfold on. Im not sure how that is fixable but ill pray for a miracle at this point....

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[quote=punch it in;1259710]Don’t need numbers to confirm his accuracy or lack there of.... like i said in the gameday thread he couldn’t pin the tail on the donkey without a blindfold on. Im not sure how that is fixable but ill pray for a miracle at this point....[/quote]

Yeah he's just not accurate man, no sugar coating it

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"He gets so fired up, he sees it so quickly, he speeds up and doesn’t go through his normal plant and drive into it," Rivera said of Haskins' miss. "He’s so quick, he’s got his weight back a little bit and he just lets it go as opposed to ‘Hey, I’m there, I'm tall and I can drive step.’ He sees it, ‘it’s there, I got it,’ and bam - he’s a little bit high."

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-explains-why-dwayne-haskins-misses-throws-high-and-how-fix-it[/url]

Haskins has to plat and throw from a good base.

I am not accepting excuses for this. He is in his 2nd year of the NFL. I am sure he has been told a million ways to Sunday to set and throw. Instead he just trust his arm, mechanics be damned, like it some backyard football game.

Week 2 -- Ron Rivera has identified the problem and already spoken publicly about it. Im sure in film room, haskins is going to hear about it.

Week 9 or 10 and if Haskins is still being sloppy and lazy .... I dont think Ron will be taking much more of this shit.

Its frustrating, it should be an easy fix but it seems to be a really bad deeply ingrained habit ... and it may cost Haskins a career in this league if he cant take coaching and adopt it ... on something so basic.