Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265389]He has cost us two games this year.[/quote]

Missed FGs in 6 of 9 games I think. That is pretty unacceptable

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1265403]Yeah, I honestly liked Bostic's toughness quite a lot last year. But this season he looks completely lost.

I still don't understand how you coach LBs to key QB eyes in zone coverage. Only a few elite are good at it. The others end up being moved easily out of their zone and/or not seeing the wide opened guy a few yards from them...

Bostic is killing me with this every week. THERE'S A GUY IN YOUR ZONE, COVER HIM ! STOP TRYING TO DO SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO DO ! YOU ARE NOT PICKING THAT BALL UNLESS IT'S THROWN DIRECTLY INTO YOUR HANDS WRAPPED IN DOUBLE-FACE TAPE ! COVER. GUYS. IN. YOUR. ZONE.[/quote]

Peripheral vision and lateral speed are key in LB's anyway, but more so in zone coverage. You have to be able to key the QB's eyes while 'seeing' threats entering your zone from virtually any direction. Coaching up is a matter of where to sit in your zone, based on the offense you're expecting and your keys based on the same.

Can't speak to the quality of our LB coaching but I only rate Holcomb as a quality player. The rest are not playing up to their contracts.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1265439]Missed FGs in 6 of 9 games I think. That is pretty unacceptable[/quote]

It's been a year full of inconsistencies across the board - coaching, offense, defense, special teams - you name it. Obviously Hopkins isn't the only reason this team is 2-7, but if he makes those FGs in the Giants game and the Lions game, this team is 4-5, tied for the 8th best record in the conference, one game out of the wild card, and in the driver's seat in the division.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1265440]Peripheral vision and lateral speed are key in LB's anyway, but more so in zone coverage. You have to be able to key the QB's eyes while 'seeing' threats entering your zone from virtually any direction. Coaching up is a matter of where to sit in your zone, based on the offense you're expecting and your keys based on the same.

[B]Can't speak to the quality of our LB coaching but I only rate Holcomb as a quality player.[/B] The rest are not playing up to their contracts.[/quote]

Agreed. But that's my issue: I thought Bostic in particular was playing way better last year than now. He was making a lot of plays against the run, he's now out of his gap a lot a and never in the back field. I thought he was decent in coverage, I remember him making some nice plays, break ups or immediate tackle, and this year he's jokingly out of position... Which doesn't speak to great coaching.
I'm willing to give this defensive coaching staff more time, but so far they're not living up to the expectations.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1265471]Agreed. But that's my issue: I thought Bostic in particular was playing way better last year than now. He was making a lot of plays against the run, he's now out of his gap a lot a and never in the back field. I thought he was decent in coverage, I remember him making some nice plays, break ups or immediate tackle, and this year he's jokingly out of position... Which doesn't speak to great coaching.
I'm willing to give this defensive coaching staff more time, but so far they're not living up to the expectations.[/quote]

He already has more sacks this year than last year, and he's on pace to have more tackles, more tackles for loss, and more QB hits. He's not great in coverage, but that has never been his strength as far as I know. That said, he is almost 10% better this year in pass coverage than last year. He is what he is, and I'm not sure it's worse this year than last year. Either way, the position needs to be upgraded.

Re: Lions PG
 

KPL is a stop gap and Hamilton should have taken over as starting MLB by now if he was good enough. I like keeping Bostic on as mentor to fresh guys as he's not useless, but we need a new guy with Holcomb's attitude/application on the other side and an enforcer in the middle. Best MLB's in FA are likely resigned so I think that's where we look in the draft; it's a big enough need that unless you find a diamond in the FA rough, I would want a fresh hungry athlete out of college rather than another 2nd tier guy. Foster might have been that guy if he'd gotten healthy. :(

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1265477]KPL is a stop gap and Hamilton should have taken over as starting MLB by now if he was good enough. I like keeping Bostic on as mentor to fresh guys as he's not useless, but we need a new guy with Holcomb's attitude/application on the other side and an enforcer in the middle. Best MLB's in FA are likely resigned so I think that's where we look in the draft; it's a big enough need that unless you find a diamond in the FA rough, I would want a fresh hungry athlete out of college rather than another 2nd tier guy. Foster might have been that guy if he'd gotten healthy. :([/quote]

Looking at what’s available in free agency this offseason, it’s a lot of nothing. I do think there is a good chance a vet could be cut in a cap move, but the draft is the only spot where I would add.

I’ve previewed some upcoming free agents positions...tight ends, Safety, WR have some decent options in places where a need exists.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chico23231;1265478]Looking at what’s available in free agency this offseason, it’s a lot of nothing. I do think there is a good chance a vet could be cut in a cap move, but the draft is the only spot where I would add.

I’ve previewed some upcoming free agents positions...tight ends, Safety, WR have some decent options in places where a need exists.[/quote]

Yeah I'm hoping the Bears don't re-sign Robinson; I'd go after him like a shot. Maybe Godwin if the Buccs can't bring him back - versatile.

I've already said I'd go after Simmons or Harris at S, but only really good TE I see as possibly available will be Henry and I'm betting the Bolts lock him up. Who else would you go for?

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1265483]Yeah I'm hoping the Bears don't re-sign Robinson; I'd go after him like a shot. Maybe Godwin if the Buccs can't bring him back - versatile.

I've already said I'd go after Simmons or Harris at S, but only really good TE I see as possibly available will be Henry and I'm betting the Bolts lock him up. Who else would you go for?[/quote]

I wouldn’t go big money at free safety, better value fs vets.

Zack Ertz isn’t coming back to philly...he would be my target if Henry resigns (which I’m not sold he will).

Mo Allie Cox in Indy can play and would be a guy I’d give strong consideration as a mid level contract.

Henry
Ertz
Cox

My WR is Curtis Samuel at Carolina...can play inside and out. Good size with speed. I’d look at TY Hilton or Brandin Cooks if they are released as well.

Re: Lions PG
 

I forgot about Ertz, but will he come here? I like Cox, but he seems more akin to Thomas than an upgrade, though he does have more upside.

Forgot about Samuel, and yes I'd take him or Hilton, but Cooks has had the chance to replace Hopkins (not literally!) in Houston and he's done next to nothing; seems a journeyman to me. Then again they are playing badly so...

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1265487]I forgot about Ertz, but will he come here? I like Cox, but he seems more akin to Thomas than an upgrade, though he does have more upside.

Forgot about Samuel, and yes I'd take him or Hilton, but Cooks has had the chance to replace Hopkins (not literally!) in Houston and he's done next to nothing; seems a journeyman to me. Then again they are playing badly so...[/quote]

If you brought in Ertz and Curtis Samuel as weapons next year to go along with Terry.... Emerging guys like Thomas, the Sims bros and Isaiah Wright another year in the system

Suddenly you have a strong nucleus of pass catching talent.

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[quote=Chico23231;1265504]If you brought in Ertz and Curtis Samuel as weapons next year to go along with Terry.... Emerging guys like Thomas, the Sims bros and Isaiah Wright another year in the system

Suddenly you have a strong nucleus of pass catching talent.[/quote]

Don't forget about Kelvin Harmon returning.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1265519]Don't forget about Kelvin Harmon returning.[/quote]

One thing about Harmon, he’s slow and works underneath..while he can be a contributor, we need a WR who can step on the field and fly opposite Terry. Curtis Samuel ran a 4.31, has produced in Carolina and knows the system

I do like the way Cam Sims has emerged tho

Re: Lions PG
 

wish we keep Jamison Crowder ... at 3 yrs/28.5M he was a bargain for what he brings.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265532]wish we keep Jamison Crowder ... at 3 yrs/28.5M he was a bargain for what he brings.[/quote]

You know, he’s a slot guy and good receiver...but why in the hell did the Jets get him but let Robbie Anderson leave town? Anderson is flat out ballin in Carolina...you pay an outside guy who can light up a defense all day over a slot guy.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265532]wish we keep Jamison Crowder ... at 3 yrs/28.5M he was a bargain for what he brings.[/quote]

Remember how Quinn was supposed to replace him? Oy

Re: Lions PG
 

I like Isaiah Wright and Sims Jr in the slot for us in the future. I wish we motion Terry in there a little more too presnap.

Re: Lions PG
 

Speaking of pre snap motion ... watching games, im yelling at my TV like "why dont we run some got damn pre snap motion in this mother fucker? We got time on the clock .. why the fuck arent we moving guys around to see if the D will shift and show us their got damn hand?!?"

Then I read articles like this .. telling me we are top 10 in pre snap motion and Im an idiot.

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NFL's Best Teams Use Pre-Snap Motion

When it comes to the percentage of plays with pre-snap motion, only one team in the top-10 has a losing record — the Washington Football Team. Washington has had multiple changes at quarterback, though. These teams' records are a combined 45-20, or 43-15 without Washington and they average pre-snap motion on 22% of plays, with the Baltimore Ravens leading the way at 37.7%.
[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/analytics-reveal-broncos-arent-utilizing-pre-snap-motion-nearly-enough[/url]

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265538]Speaking of pre snap motion ... watching games, im yelling at my TV like "why dont we run some got damn pre snap motion in this mother fucker? We got time on the clock .. why the fuck arent we moving guys around to see if the D will shift and show us their got damn hand?!?"

Then I read articles like this .. telling me we are top 10 in pre snap motion and Im an idiot.

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NFL's Best Teams Use Pre-Snap Motion

When it comes to the percentage of plays with pre-snap motion, only one team in the top-10 has a losing record — the Washington Football Team. Washington has had multiple changes at quarterback, though. These teams' records are a combined 45-20, or 43-15 without Washington and they average pre-snap motion on 22% of plays, with the Baltimore Ravens leading the way at 37.7%.
[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/analytics-reveal-broncos-arent-utilizing-pre-snap-motion-nearly-enough[/url][/quote]

Yep, that's part of Turner "Junior's" game. He's doing what he can in my opinion with the talent available. It boils down to the lack of talent and the lack of execution - not to mention the lack of time in his system. It'll come around as the season progresses, and after picking up a few key pieces in the offseason.

Re: Lions PG
 

I wonder what the percentage of pre snap is the jet sweep motion. I see that a ton

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265539]Yep, that's part of Turner "Junior's" game. He's doing what he can in my opinion with the talent available. It boils down to the lack of talent and the lack of execution - not to mention the lack of time in his system. It'll come around as the season progresses, and after picking up a few key pieces in the offseason.[/quote]

Yeah .. Im not hating on what Turner is trying to do. I like the pre snap motion. I like that we were proactive in shopping for ingredients by adding pass catching backs in Gibson/McKissic in a heavy RB pass catching scheme.

But ... I want to see some down field passing. Weve been waiting all year. Everything is within 20 yards of the LOS with 80% coming within 5 yards.

I hope this isnt his final version. Winning the TOP is great and all but, as we saw against the Lions, you can go 10 plus plays but then have 1 sack or 1 penalty or 1 missed FG and you walk away with nothing.
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Watched the skins-lions rewind replay on NBC Sports Washington on Tuesday night.

That first sack on our first possession that took us out of FG range ... all on Morgan Moses. Got blown up at the snap off a bull rush then pushed the rusher from behind into Alex. Ive repeatedly seen Alex getting blamed "for taking a sack we said Haskins couldnt take" .. but it was all Moses.

Re: Lions PG
 

Good call chico .. i think youre right. I bet most of it is the jet sweep so my brain dismisses that as just a run play and not pre snap motion leading to a pass play.

I want pre snap motion leading to passing plays i suppose.
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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ[/url]

quick video on what is the jet sweep. its from the eagles but its a good concise 2 min video

We do so much of this, one version or another. I think mcLaurin's big run against the lions was a jet sweep.

Do we ever do a PA off this? maybe the blocking being a bit different you dont want the QB to actually hang onto the ball?

I want some PA lol

Re: Lions PG
 

Well, that's the point. To throw the ball down the field you need time, and receivers/TEs that can get separation. At this time Alex doesn't have either - so you'll continue to see check downs with the occasional down the field pass.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chico23231;1265540]I wonder what the percentage of pre snap is the jet sweep motion. I see that a ton[/quote]

I'll get that info in a few

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1265545]I'll get that info in a few[/quote]

How do you pull some of the stats that you do? I consider myself pretty versed with finding advanced stats but you OK, you find some gems.

Ive been looking for total number of air passing yards plays over 20 yards for the skins, for the league and by our QBs if possible (haskins vs Allen vs Smith). Im really curious on where we rank in passing air attempts over 20 yards. Im guessing bottom 3.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265547]How do you pull some of the stats that you do? I consider myself pretty versed with finding advanced stats but you OK, you find some gems.

Ive been looking for total number of air passing yards plays over 20 yards for the skins, for the league and by our QBs if possible (haskins vs Allen vs Smith). Im really curious on where we rank in passing air attempts over 20 yards. Im guessing bottom 3.[/quote]

Working for PFF bro it has some perks lol

And I'll get that stat too

Re: Lions PG
 

So on passes of 20 plus yards downfield

Haskins was 1 of 10 for 39 yards
Allen was 3 of 6 for 100 yards
Smith is 6 of 12 for 221 yards

Deep % Haskins = 6.8% Allen 6.7% Alex Smith = 11.6%

Haskins is 4th lowest , Allen 5th. Only Brees, Mullens and Newton are lower.

Smith is ranked 19th

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chico23231;1265540]I wonder what the percentage of pre snap is the jet sweep motion. I see that a ton[/quote]

Have to run the data on this I'll post it in a few

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1265552]So on passes of 20 plus yards downfield

Haskins was 1 of 10 for 39 yards
Allen was 3 of 6 for 100 yards
Smith is 6 of 12 for 221 yards

Deep % Haskins = 6.8% Allen 6.7% Alex Smith = 11.6%

Haskins is 4th lowest , Allen 5th. Only Brees, Mullens and Newton are lower.

Smith is ranked 19th[/quote]

Funny, I never hear anyone calling Drew Brees - Checkdown Charlie

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265554]Funny, I never hear anyone calling Drew Brees - Checkdown Charlie[/quote]

Worth pointing out he's been most of the season without his supposed top 2 WR's, Thomas and Sanders. Kamara is carrying the load because he's had no names to launch it to. And now he's off at least 2 weeks with broken ribs. :rolleyes:

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265554]Funny, I never hear anyone calling Drew Brees - Checkdown Charlie[/quote]

I think Brees was also dealing with a shoulder injury this year too which is why he didn't know immediately about the broken ribs. Not sure if it's on his throwing arm but def would explain it more. Looks like Brees' retirement year isn't going the way he anticipated.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=mooby;1265556]I think Brees was also dealing with a shoulder injury this year too which is why he didn't know immediately about the broken ribs. Not sure if it's on his throwing arm but def would explain it more. Looks like Brees' retirement year isn't going the way he anticipated.[/quote]

[quote]Worth pointing out he's been most of the season with his supposed top 2 WR's, Thomas and Sanders. Kamara is carrying the load because he's had no names to launch it to. And now he's off at least 2 weeks with broken ribs.[/quote]

True, very true.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265474]He already has more sacks this year than last year, and he's on pace to have more tackles, more tackles for loss, and more QB hits. He's not great in coverage, but that has never been his strength as far as I know. That said, he is almost 10% better this year in pass coverage than last year. He is what he is, and I'm not sure it's worse this year than last year. Either way, the position needs to be upgraded.[/quote]

Fair enough. Maybe stats don't back up my feeling, and maybe I'm dead end wrong on this.
I just had a feeling last year seeing a bad ass mofo flashing up a lot in the backfield, and making some decent plays in coverage, and this year he looks lost and out of place, and he seems to be in the back field only when sent blitzing.

Re: Lions PG
 

Maybe because the D is better overall and he doesn't stand out as much.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1265563]Maybe because the D is better overall and he doesn't stand out as much.[/quote]

Maybe. I'd also be interested in listening to Cooley's film breakdown on Bostic last season and comparing it with this season's. The later are embarrassingly bad but sadly I don't think there's any of the former because Cooley wasn't with Sheehan last year. He was doing some sort of breakdown on the team's website IIRC but that didn't last long and he couldn't be nearly as straight forward.

EDIT: he only did an actual [URL="https://www.washingtonfootball.com/audio/the-chris-cooley-show-epsiode-80"]breakdown[/URL] after week 1 last year, with that weird voice kid, don't know if he's actually giving individual grades but I'll listen to it to see what he says about Bostic.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=Chico23231;1265540]I wonder what the percentage of pre snap is the jet sweep motion. I see that a ton[/quote]

Only 65 attempts league wide on Jet sweep pass.

SF leads the way
WFT has 0 Jet sweep pass attempts.

For Jet sweep run plays

115 Total league wide

WFT =5
Rams lead the league in attempts.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1265552]So on passes of 20 plus yards downfield

Haskins was 1 of 10 for 39 yards
Allen was 3 of 6 for 100 yards
Smith is 6 of 12 for 221 yards

Deep % Haskins = 6.8% Allen 6.7% Alex Smith = 11.6%

Haskins is 4th lowest , Allen 5th. Only Brees, Mullens and Newton are lower.

Smith is ranked 19th[/quote]

Working for PFF must be cool. I forgot, thats awesome.

Thank you for the stats. Very cool

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1265555]Worth pointing out he's been most of the season with his supposed top 2 WR's, Thomas and Sanders. Kamara is carrying the load because he's had no names to launch it to. And now he's off at least 2 weeks with broken ribs. :rolleyes:[/quote]

Yeah, he still hasn't been himself this year, whether it's injury or simply father time catching up. Maybe it's a little of both.

Re: Lions PG
 

[quote=SunnySide;1265580]Working for PFF must be cool. I forgot, thats awesome.

Thank you for the stats. Very cool[/quote]

I just do it during the season and work mostly college games but yeah it's pretty cool. And no problem my man.

Re: Lions PG
 

Also, when you have Kamara ... you GET THE MAN THE BALL! Lol, checkdown or not.