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I like Sheehan’s take that Haskins identities with a Disney character....he’s a child. He probably doesn’t have a clue.

Read up a lil today on his family...quite a Father. A man of faith...eyes rolling in back of my head. I did come away a lil more sympathetic for Haskins.

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Can you imagine if they had traded up to get this clown.

[url]https://twitter.com/espn/status/1121611783402401793?lang=en[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270747]Can you imagine if they had traded up to get this clown.

[url]https://twitter.com/espn/status/1121611783402401793?lang=en[/url][/quote]

Daddy right behind him wearing one of his stupid ass shirts...fuckin clown. Best thing for Haskins to do is to get far away from his family and figure it out.

Same folks that charged $40 a head for that draft party. Trying to steal a dollar from any and every one.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270747]Can you imagine if they had traded up to get this clown.

[url]https://twitter.com/espn/status/1121611783402401793?lang=en[/url][/quote]

The league done messed up.

Forget who said it earlier but those words will live in infamy forever. Or at least until we actually find a franchise qb. I totally agree, the one saving grace is that we didn't trade up and hurt ourselves worse in the process.

Let's visit Mark Bullock's fantastic All-22 breakdowns to see what led to this decision:

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1343698644386639872[/url]
2nd throw of the game, to Logan Thomas on 3rd and 8.

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1343699551123857410[/url]
2nd and 7, overthrow to Foster

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1343702686689062912[/url]
1st interception

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1343703237879341063[/url]
Poor mechanics on hot throw to Gibby

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1343706981564100608[/url]
4 verts checkdown

[url]https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1343708642038714369[/url]
2nd int

Just trash. No progress shown, can't read defenses, poor mechanics. It was time.

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[url]https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1343617791014952966[/url]

[quote=Diana Russini]
I will never forget the week leading up the draft in 2019. A member of the Washington coaching staff told me he was going to actually throw up in the war room because ownership wasn’t listening. Coaches didn’t believe Haskins was the right person to be the future of the franchise
[/quote]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/MPbX6OD.jpg[/IMG]

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I am good with Dak or Stafford

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1270761]I am good with Dak or Stafford[/quote]

Let us find the man who wouldn't take Dak or Stafford over our current qb's and beat him to death with Dwayne Haskins' stack of singles.

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Taking this from reddit:

[quote=u/ODUrugger]
Haskins "so that's it? After two years so long and good luck?"

Rivera "I don't recall saying good luck"
[/quote]

I miss the days when the Simpsons were still funny.

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One guy that probably is laughing and feels redemption, Jay Gruden.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270769]One guy that probably is laughing and feels redemption, Jay Gruden.[/quote]

It's a small consolation when he knows he's probably losing his job in a week as well.

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[quote=mooby;1270770]It's a small consolation when he knows he's probably losing his job in a week as well.[/quote]

I'm sure his brother will hire him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270771]I'm sure his brother will hire him.[/quote]

Trying to figure out how his brother still had a job......

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Great decision to move on from Haskins. His numbers were terrible (more INT than TD) and he had a LOT of chances. The NFL is at a much higher level than college. Haskins never could get up to speed. Small baby steps forward followed by three large leaps backward.
He had a slow release, his mechanics need to be fixed, he couldn’t read defenses, he often starred down his receivers leading to INT or the WR taking a monster hit. His progression was slow, leading to sacks or holding calls. Finally his accuracy was poor. It amazes me that he was rated so high as a QB draft pick! Of course the main reason that Snyder took him over the negative reports of the entire coaching and scouting staff was because his kids went to school with Dwayne!!

Unfortunately for him, Haskins will be remembered as the biggest draft BUST of all time. Hopefully, this disaster will be Daniel Snyder’s final legacy before he is forced to sell the team. This fiasco is 100% on Snyder. If you look at most of the top draft picks that Snyder has made over the last 20 years, as well as TRADING AWAY draft picks - it is shocking at the buffoonery this owner has wrought on this franchise.



Just a few QB draft busts by Snyder:

Haskins - QB bust - worst bust of all time ??
RG3 - QB bust (although still with the Ravens as backup QB)
Campbell - QB bust

Snyder would be more successful having a monkey throw darts at a list draft picks than him making the major drafting decisions.


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[quote=MissouriSkin;1270773]Trying to figure out how his brother still had a job......[/quote]

Not only a job, but a 10 year job. Most over rated brothers.

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Remember when we thought Haskins and Guice were the future... That was just last yr lmao

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270777]Remember when we thought Haskins and Guice were the future... That was just last yr lmao[/quote]

At least Guice had talent but was a woman beater. Haskins is just clueless.

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Guice really could have been an elite player. He had that kind of ability. Haskins does not have the ability to play QB in the NFL. I mean the guy jumps up on the air sometimes when he is throwing a ball. He seriously was worse than Heath Shuler.

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[quote=Warthog;1270774]Great decision to move in from Haskins. His numbers were terrible (more INT than TD) and he had a LOT of chances. The NFL is at a much higher level than college. Haskins never could get up to speed. Small steps forward followed by three steps backward.

Unfortunately for him, Haskins will be remembered as the biggest draft BUST of all time. Hopefully, this disaster will be Daniel Snyder’s final legacy before he is forced to sell the team. This fiasco is 100% on Snyder. If you look at most of the top draft picks that Snyder has made over the last 20 years, as well as TRADING AWAY draft picks - it is shocking at the buffoonery this owner has wrought on this franchise.



Just a few QB draft busts by Snyder:

Haskins - QB bust - worst bust of all time ??
RG3 - QB bust (although still with the Ravens as backup QB)
Campbell - QB bust

Snyder would be more successful having a monkey throw darts at a list draft picks than him making the major drafting decisions.


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Campbell was on Joe Gibbs. RG3, Haskins, McNabb, Patrick Ramsey and Jeff George were all on Dan. Plus he and Bruce totally mismanaged Cousins.

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I think Guice was over-rated. He showed fire and bursts of speed but he just couldn’t stay healthy. Even before the wife-beating issues, he could never stay off the IR and you need DURABILTY as a RB.

I’m super impressed with Gibson AND McCissick. They both play with a great motor and can open field run and catch. Perfect for this team and the way that the offense is evolving. “RB by committee” keeps them rested and fresh. The era of the one-man RB is over. With three RB, the players are always fresh and you can play them on their strengths!!


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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1270791]Campbell was on Joe Gibbs. RG3, Haskins, McNabb, Patrick Ramsey and Jeff George were all on Dan. Plus he and Bruce totally mismanaged Cousins.[/QUOTE]


So Snyder let Gibbs pick Campbell over his and Cerrato’s opinion? I stand corrected. Gibbs realized too late that Snyder’s meddling in the personnel decisions made it impossible to win.

RG3 lasted longer than he should have because of Snyder. Then once they committed to Cousins they kept low balling him. Jeff George was a complete disaster - he was a real gun slinger and his team mates hated him. McNabb was another in a long series of “past-their-prime” FA players that Snyder gravitated toward in his FA decisions. Deon Sanders and others were in that group - guys that were Pro Bowlers 6-8 years BEFORE Snyder signed them. Snyder and Cerrato traded their draft picks away like they were candy. Most teams won’t trade a draft pick away unless it’s late, late in the draft. That’s why Rivera wouldn’t even talk to Snyder until he had a contract promise to have FULL Control of the personnel decisions.

We should do a comprehensive list of all of Snyder’s draft and FA disasters. But only when he’s on the way OUT.


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JC was way better than Haskins and Ramsey tho

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[quote=Warthog;1270797]So Snyder let Gibbs pick Campbell over his and Cerrato’s opinion? I stand corrected. Gibbs realized too late that Snyder’s meddling in the personnel decisions made it impossible to win.

RG3 lasted longer than he should have because of Snyder. Then once they committed to Cousins they kept low balling him. Jeff George was a complete disaster - he was a real gun slinger and his team mates hated him. McNabb was another in a long series of “past-their-prime” FA players that Snyder gravitated toward in his FA decisions. Deon Sanders and others were in that group - guys that were Pro Bowlers 6-8 years BEFORE Snyder signed them. Snyder and Cerrato traded their draft picks away like they were candy. Most teams won’t trade a draft pick away unless it’s late, late in the draft. That’s why Rivera wouldn’t even talk to Snyder until he had a contract promise to have FULL Control of the personnel decisions.

We should do a comprehensive list of all of Snyder’s draft and FA disasters. But only when he’s on the way OUT.


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Gibbs picked the QB's once he got here. He traded for Brunell in 04 and drafted Campbell in 05. He never liked Ramsey and he was gone after 04 or 05. Ramsey was Dan and Vinny's guy. Todd Collins came in once Al Saunders was hired as oc in 2006. Had Gibbs stayed on I believe he would have gone w/ Collins over Campbell.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1270739]If RR had any interest in Newton he'd have had him here instead of Allen. He played on a small contract in NE, and would have done so here. And having seen him this year, I'd be even more surprised if RR showed any interest now.

I'd consider Fitz if a) AS retires and b) we go with a development (Cousins like) prospect in the lower rounds. If Dallas really let Prescott walk, I'd see what he can do (no guarantee he can play 100% after that ankle injury), and if that happened he'd love to stick it to the Cowboys.[/quote]
Allen was a cheap backup, Newton would have been a competitor for starting. I think the situation here was so messed up, RR knew better than to throw Cam in as well. It's a new ballgame now. But Cam's time in NE isn't helping his cause.

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Nice breakdown of Heinecken's game yesterday

[url]https://youtu.be/Z2zg8UCe5B8[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1270777]Remember when we thought Haskins and Guice were the future... That was just last yr lmao[/quote]

2020 an epochal year for the world, and the Washington Football Team.

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The release of Haskins frees Rivera to either draft for a franchise QB and/or pick up a very good QB in FA.

I just don’t see Rivera going with the FA route. He already has Alex Smith as the bridge to starting the franchise QB draft pick . Alex mentors the new QB and maybe even starts a few games next season.

The NFL QB situation has changed. QB need to be able to run - gaining 50-100 yards a game with runs, and another 200-300 yds with passing. The QB running ability is putting defenses on their heals. Better to get a rookie who has the running AND passing ability - who can be coached up and mentored by Alex Smith. Smith is a decent passer but his running ability is near zero now.

If Rivera views his future as 5-10 years as HC here, why go for a FA QB who might only last a couple years? Draft the franchise QB and use FA to fill obvious holes on the team.


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1270801]Nice breakdown of Heinecken's game yesterday

[url]https://youtu.be/Z2zg8UCe5B8[/url][/quote]

What a good review. Loved the multiple angles, and commentary.

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[quote=Warthog;1270804]The release of Haskins frees Rivera to either draft for a franchise QB and/or pick up a very good QB in FA.

I just don’t see Rivera going with the FA route. He already has Alex Smith as the bridge to starting the franchise QB draft pick . Alex mentors the new QB and maybe even starts a few games next season.

The NFL QB situation has changed. QB need to be able to run - gaining 50-100 yards a game with runs, and another 200-300 yds with passing. The QB running ability is putting defenses on their heals. Better to get a rookie who has the running AND passing ability - who can be coached up and mentored by Alex Smith. Smith is a decent passer but his running ability is near zero now.

If Rivera views his future as 5-10 years as HC here, why go for a FA QB who might only last a couple years? Draft the franchise QB and use FA to fill obvious holes on the team.


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Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.

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Jeff George and Mark Brunell were my absolute favorite QB's here when I was a kid.

Brunell was hurt most of 2004, his elbow wasn't 100% recovered, and he got a horrible calf injury that limited him in most games. He played much better in 2005, but I think he was a scapegoat in 2006 for how horrible the offense was.

I was a Jeff George fan because one of my best friends in middle school was a raiders fan, he was constantly gushing about how great Jeff George was and how he could throw the longest passes. We were so excited when George became a Redskin player. I just think that the offense didn't suit George. To this day he has the most amazing arm of anyone I have ever watched. Only guy who I think had a bigger arm was Jamarcus. There is a video of George out there from about 10 years ago doing a public workout. He was 43 but still had an absolute rifle for an arm....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1270807]Jeff George and Mark Brunell were my absolute favorite QB's here when I was a kid.

Brunell was hurt most of 2004, his elbow wasn't 100% recovered, and he got a horrible calf injury that limited him in most games. He played much better in 2005, but I think he was a scapegoat in 2006 for how horrible the offense was.

I was a Jeff George fan because one of my best friends in middle school was a raiders fan, he was constantly gushing about how great Jeff George was and how he could throw the longest passes. We were so excited when George became a Redskin player. I just think that the offense didn't suit George. To this day he has the most amazing arm of anyone I have ever watched. Only guy who I think had a bigger arm was Jamarcus. There is a video of George out there from about 10 years ago doing a public workout. He was 43 but still had an absolute rifle for an arm....[/quote]

Feel bad for you my man if George was a childhood favorite. I get the arm thing but he had a personality of a wet mop and once famously said that leadership was overrated from the QB position.

Doesn't this situation sound familiar? [URL="http://www.espn.com/chrismortensen/s/2001/0926/1255617.html"]A new coach handcuffed by the owner's dumb move at QB?[/URL]

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It's time to forget about Haskins. I'm not talking about the fans. We can still talk about him all we want but the WFT players need to flush all the Haskins drama from their minds immediately and focus exclusively on the upcoming Eagles game.

We haven't had a more important game to play in many years. This one is truly a must win game for any player or coach who gives a dam about football. With that said and with Haskins gone and forgotten, at least for this week, the rest of the team needs to focus on the fact that they didn't play well either versus Carolina.

We can't blame Haskins if we lose this week. Forget about Haskins' character flaws. This is a defining test of the character of the players who remain. I think the Eagles are dangerous opponents who will play to win. We had better be ready.

Win and we're in the playoffs. Lose and we're out. This is the last chance to achieve a major goal. No excuses.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1270806]Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.[/QUOTE]


For this season:
Play Alex Smith first but if he is not available then go to:

Plan B - Heinickle. He looked very good for his 9 minutes of play and I think he would be a decent substitute if Alex is still hurt. Obviously his play could have been a fluke, but frankly, I’d like to see more of him if Smith needs another week to recover.

Next Season: if the team wants to DRAFT a franchise hopeful QB, then they’ll need to TRADE UP. I’m NOT suggesting an RG3 Type deal to get to the second pick in the draft. I think you trade up to get to the third or fourth QB available. Maybe from 19th pick to 10th? Obviously a lot will depend on who Rivera likes at QB, and how many teams are looking for QB ahead of us in the draft.

My problem with going for a FA QB is the money issue. If you want someone like Dax, you’re going to have to commit to a
MASSIVE and long QB contract. He’s your man for better or worse. Do you get a Drew Breese type deal where he leads your team to victory over many seasons OR is it a Wentz-type situation with the Eagles, where they are committed to him and now are in the WORST Cap situation in the NFL next season.

Getting a high QB in the draft means he can be mentored by Alex Smith. He can be brought into Turners offense. I believe the Coaches & Scouts of the WFT can get us a franchise-level QB as long as SNYDER STAYS OUT OF IT.
Both Haskins and RG3 can be laid at the feet of Snyder.

Obviously, if Rivera wants a certain FA QB, then he has the cap money and power to get him. However, Rivera has built up the cap cash to the level that he can spread it to fill more than a few holes in the offense (WR, TE, OL) with very good FA. I believe his plan is to draft for the big holes and then fill in the rest with FA. But with just one FA QB signing Rivera could blow my theory right out of the water!!


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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1270806]Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.[/





This season: Plan A - use Alex Smith as the starting QB, if he is ready.

Plan B: Heinickle at QB. He looked good for the 9 minutes he played. I’d like to see more from him IF Smith isn’t ready. Heinickle my be a flash in the pan, but he might be a valuable backup QB next year. He’s certainly a smart guy but we need to see if that helps him on the field.

Next season: the problem with going for a FA QB is that it could be very, very expensive. Dax wants a big, long-term contract. Not sure about Stafford. What situation do you end up with: the Drew Brees scenario where he leads your team to victory for the rest of his career OR do you end up with a Carson Wentz disaster. The Eagles have the WORST cap situation in the NFL in 2021. Trying to buy your way out of the Wentz deal is something like a $59 million cap hit!!!

If you go with the draft idea, I’m NOT Suggesting an RG3 type deal to get all the way up to the second spot in the draft. Maybe go from 19th to 9th to get the third or fourth draft pick Qb(?). It may not be possible because you have to like several mid-range QB and you have to figure correctly what teams want QB ahead of you. But with a QB picked in the #8-10 range, you don’t lose too much for the trade. Then the Qb can be mentored by Alex Smith and helped by using your very good cap money to get excellent WR and/or TE and/or OL.

The wild card is Dan Snyder. The Haskins and RG3 draft disasters can be laid directly at HIS FEET. I think Rivera & Kyle Smith and the scouts can choose an excellent QB in the draft, as long as Snyder stays out of it!

A lot of moving parts but it appears that Rivera can get a excellent QB in the draft, without trading away a boatload of future picks. He can also get the FA QB he wants, but it may cost the team their cap future.

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I think bringing in Matt Stafford is not a horrible idea.

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If the likes of Matt Ryan, Stafford, or Dak become available, hell yes you make a big push for any of those guys. With a legit QB and some more weapons this team is ready to make a SB push.

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[quote=mredskins;1270816]I think bringing in Matt Stafford is not a horrible idea.[/quote]

Probably 10 other teams would say the same thing. Of course, Alex and the contract would have to come off the books and the first round pick, maybe a player.

Would you be ok depart with Montez or Payne along with this years first round pick and booting Alex Smith? That would be the starting floor imo.

I would

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We’re competing with 5-8 teams for the available QB FA or via drafting a QB in the first round. On the one hand we have an excellent cap situation and we’re a team “on the rise”. If we go with a Stafford or Dax FA pickup, there’s not much sense in keeping Alex Smith with a healthy and cheap Heinickle and/or Allen as the backups.

Draft-wise we are NOT in a position to get a quality QB unless we trade up. As a minimum we’ll need to trade the first and second round picks (2021) to move up. It may cost much more if we want to get the second or third Qb draft picks.

I can go with either the FA or draft to get our franchise QB, as long as Snyder is not influencing either choice. Snyder’s record as a talent scout is absolutely DISMAL. He’s made some of the worst choices in the draft over the last decade. If it is possible, he’s made even worse decisions in FA in search of a QB.

Maybe if the football god’s are working in our favor, Snyder might have other things to worry about next spring! Lol.


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Draft a guy and play him. That is the way to go. QB on rookie deal. See Russell Wilson, Mahomes and now Josh Allen. Try and get in a 3 year window where you aren't paying your QB big dollars.

We won't be able to afford Stafford, plus he is starting to get banged up so I would pass for those two reasons.

The league is changing. Guys like Matt Ryan will be extinct in 5 years. You need a duel threat guy.

I'm trying to trade up in the draft. Offer Payne or Allen and the 1st rounder. I'd go all in for the kid at BYU.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1270817]If the likes of Matt Ryan, Stafford, or Dak become available, hell yes you make a big push for any of those guys. With a legit QB and some more weapons this team is ready to make a SB push.[/QUOTE]


Agree 100% and I hope one comes to us

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1270824]Draft a guy and play him. That is the way to go. QB on rookie deal. See Russell Wilson, Mahomes and now Josh Allen. Try and get in a 3 year window where you aren't paying your QB big dollars.

We won't be able to afford Stafford, plus he is starting to get banged up so I would pass for those two reasons.

The league is changing. Guys like Matt Ryan will be extinct in 5 years. You need a duel threat guy.

I'm trying to trade up in the draft. Offer Payne or Allen and the 1st rounder. I'd go all in for the kid at BYU.[/QUOTE]


The Niners are rumored to be all in on Zach Wilson. He’ll be a top 10 pick, I don’t see anyone accepting a DT and our 19th for a QB. The more realistic option at 19 will be Mac Jones or Kyle Trask , I’d rather have Matt Ryan or Matt Stafford for the next 2-3 years