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I wonder if the decision/timeline to potentially trade for a Veteran QB (Stafford, Watson, etc.) is tied to Alex Smith's decision regarding whether he will continue playing or retire.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273983]I wonder if the decision/timeline to potentially trade for a Veteran QB (Stafford, Watson, etc.) is tied to Alex Smith's decision regarding whether he will continue playing or retire.[/quote]

From what has been reported, Watson wants to go to Miami so I think that ship has sailed for us...

Stafford or Ryan for me

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273984]From what has been reported, Watson wants to go to Miami so I think that ship has sailed for us...

Stafford or Ryan for me[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of trading for any of them really, I was just wondering what the timeline might look like, with regard to Alex's decision. They traded for Alex in January 2018, so trades involving these Vets could happen at any time.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1273985]Yeah, I'm not a big fan of trading for any of them really, I was just wondering what the timeline might look like, with regard to Alex's decision. They traded for Alex in January 2018, so trades involving these Vets could happen at any time.[/quote]

Yeah I do think Detroit would listen if we offered #19 but do u want to give up a 1 for Stafford? Tough call

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If all it takes is the 19th pick, then I'm probably in on that all day. I just think it will take a lot more, and in that case I'm not interested.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1273986]Yeah I do think Detroit would listen if we offered #19 but do u want to give up a 1 for Stafford? Tough call[/quote]

No thanks. I would consider giving up a 2nd round pick though.

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#19 for Stafford? I'd do it.

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Stafford is set to count as a 33M cap hit in 21 and 26M in 22. That has to be considered as a devalue for his trade value imo.

Lions are right up against the cap for 21.

Im not sure how many teams are in a position to (1) have cap space to make a trade work; and (2) feel they are 1 expensive QB away from competing.

The Colts are certainly in that discussion same as us. Good team all around, ready to win now .. just no QB.

Holy crap - colts have 68.8M in cap space next year vs our 37.6 (assumes a 175M cap but I think it will be in the mid 180s .. 175 would cripple some teams)

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Sirius XM NFL Channel 88 just reported that the WFT is expected to hire Martin Mathew, VP of player personnel of the San Franscisco 49ers as their next GM.

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Would Washington be interested in Wentz?

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[quote=Giantone;1274074]Would Washington be interested in Wentz?[/quote]

Would a cat want a bath? That’s an N to an O.

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Mayhew has that Stafford connection...

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274072]Sirius XM NFL Channel 88 just reported that the WFT is expected to hire Martin Mathew, VP of player personnel of the San Franscisco 49ers as their next GM.[/quote]
Man wth. He got fired from Detroit for a reason Ron.

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So his 4 years in SF don't count? He wasn't the GM in Detroit when they went winless.

[QUOTE]Martin Mayhew is in his fourth season with the 49ers and second as the vice president of player personnel. He spent the previous two years (2017-18) as the team's senior personnel executive. Mayhew joined the 49ers after spending the 2016 season as the director of football operations/special projects with the New York Giants. In his role with the Giants, he worked all aspects of the salary cap, CBA compliance and player contract negotiations.

Prior to his time in New York, Mayhew spent 15 years (2001-15) in the Detroit Lions organization, including the final seven as the team's general manager. Taking over as general manager following the team's winless season in 2008, he aided Detroit's ascent to a 10-win season in 2011. Mayhew was responsible for the draft selections of Pro Bowlers QB Matthew Stafford and DE Ezekiel Ansah, as well as 2010 AP Defensive Rookie of the Year DT Ndamukong Suh, who was selected to four Pro Bowls as a member of the Lions. He was also responsible for signing WR Golden Tate and S Glover Quin in free agency, both of whom went on to earn Pro Bowl honors in Detroit.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=MTK;1274090]So his 4 years in SF don't count? He wasn't the GM in Detroit when they went winless.[/quote]
Why hasn't he had a job in the past two-three years as a gm?

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274091]Why hasn't he had a job in the past two-three years as a gm?[/quote]

Because he was a VP of player personnel?

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[quote=rocnrik;1274081]Mayhew has that Stafford connection...[/quote]

Yep... I think it's going to happen

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[quote=MTK;1274092]Because he was a VP of player personnel?[/quote]
Pretty common for guys that were at that position who took gm jobs. Let's see what happens when we start losing again lol.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274097]Pretty common for guys that were at that position who took gm jobs. Let's see what happens when we start losing again lol.[/quote]

Losing again?

We've been losing for a while. We've had 5 winning seasons in 20 years...

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1273591]Trade for Stafford and sign Golladay.
[/quote]

I love that plan, they're already GREAT together, add Terry into that mix and we're immediately one of the most dangerous passing teams in the NFL.

I really hope we re-sign Cam Sims though, he's earned a payday.

Logan Thomas needs to be locked up long term.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274104]I love that plan, they're already GREAT together, add Terry into that mix and we're immediately one of the most dangerous passing teams in the NFL.

I really hope we re-sign Cam Sims though, he's earned a payday.

Logan Thomas needs to be locked up long term.[/quote]

Also remember our backs are great receivers too

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[url]https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/04/28/detroit-lions-nfl-drafts-martin-mayhew/83636056/[/url]

This article gives a concise breakdown of Mayhew's draft picks as GM with the Lions. id say mixed results, maybe a C grade.

[IMG]https://assets.listia.com/photos/a847da19166c504cbfe2/original.png?s=320x320m&sig=0adca3b6e2c17990&ts=1455246679[/IMG]

Member of the 1991 Washington Redskins Superbowl Champs

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Cam Sims is an exclusive rights FA meaning we offer a league min 1 yr contract and he has to accept.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274104]Logan Thomas needs to be locked up long term.[/quote]

I think I would have phrased that differently. :)

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[quote=SunnySide;1274110][url]https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/04/28/detroit-lions-nfl-drafts-martin-mayhew/83636056/[/url]

This article gives a concise breakdown of Mayhew's draft picks as GM with the Lions. id say mixed results, maybe a C grade.

[IMG]https://assets.listia.com/photos/a847da19166c504cbfe2/original.png?s=320x320m&sig=0adca3b6e2c17990&ts=1455246679[/IMG]

Member of the 1991 Washington Redskins Superbowl Champs

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Cam Sims is an exclusive rights FA meaning we offer a league min 1 yr contract and he has to accept.[/quote]

The draft is a crapshoot every year.. If you can hit on 2 guys per draft I'd say it's a good effort

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If we hire Mayhew as GM, I believe that the 49ers will receive 3 draft picks. Not certain on the round, but I think they are third rounders.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1274113]The draft is a crapshoot every year.. If you can hit on 2 guys per draft I'd say it's a good effort[/QUOTE]



Depends what you mean by hit on. I think you need to cone away with 3-4 players that wind up being contributors and make your team better than it was to be a successful draft. Always nice if one or two turn out to be homeruns.

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[QUOTE=Number44;1274112]I think I would have phrased that differently. :)[/QUOTE]



Lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274113]The draft is a crapshoot every year.. If you can hit on 2 guys per draft I'd say it's a good effort[/quote]

Low expecations.

Last year I'd say we hit on


*Chase Young
*Antonio Gibson
*Kamren Curl

And the verdict is not in on Charles or Gandy-Golden yet. If Charles gets healthy and AGG gets a normal preseason to learn, they could both be solid picks too.

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Former #Panthers GM Marty Hurney is meeting with members of the Washington Football Team brass today including coach Ron Rivera, sources say. Hurney is the top candidate to be their new GM, a hire that could be official this week.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274470]Former #Panthers GM Marty Hurney is meeting with members of the Washington Football Team brass today including coach Ron Rivera, sources say. Hurney is the top candidate to be their new GM, a hire that could be official this week.

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Rivera loves "his" guys. I'll put my trust in him and roll with it. Not like there is another choice.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274470]Former #Panthers GM Marty Hurney is meeting with members of the Washington Football Team brass today including coach Ron Rivera, sources say. Hurney is the top candidate to be their new GM, a hire that could be official this week.

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He got fired twice for a reason Ron.

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[quote=skinsfanmdc;1274477]He got fired twice for a reason Ron.[/quote]

Just about every HC, coordinator and GM has been fired at one time or another. Not to say he's the man, but getting fired in and of itself isn't much of an indicator of future success.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274481]Just about every HC, coordinator and GM has been fired at one time or another. Not to say he's the man, but getting fired in and of itself isn't much of an indicator of future success.[/quote]

Hurney had harassment and domestic violence charges in his past that were later dropped. Sounds like an A+ turd to me. I think there are probably much higher quality, younger, more cutting edge GM candidates out there than him.

It’s one thing to bring in people you’re familiar with. It’s another to bring in EVERYONE from your previous employer and not diversify with people who will bring different perspectives. With each additional former Panther’s hire, I get a little more frustrated.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274485]Hurney had harassment and domestic violence charges in his past that were later dropped. Sounds like an A+ turd to me. I think there are probably much higher quality, younger, more cutting edge GM candidates out there than him.

It’s one thing to bring in people you’re familiar with. It’s another to bring in EVERYONE from your previous employer and not diversify with people who will bring different perspectives. With each additional former Panther’s hire, I get a little more frustrated.[/quote]

Same.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274485]Hurney had harassment and domestic violence charges in his past that were later dropped. Sounds like an A+ turd to me. I think there are probably much higher quality, younger, more cutting edge GM candidates out there than him.

It’s one thing to bring in people you’re familiar with. It’s another to bring in EVERYONE from your previous employer and not diversify with people who will bring different perspectives. With each additional former Panther’s hire, I get a little more frustrated.[/quote]

Why?

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1274497]Why?[/quote]

Because bringing every single person from Carolina just gives me the “Yes Man” feeing to it. Do great leaders bring in people they trust? Yes. But they also bring in people with a diversified range of experiences and talents to balance the leader out.

Plus I don’t think Hurney has done much to qualify himself as a talented GM recently. Relying on his past track record from long ago doesn’t cut the mustard in today’s modern NFL. What worked a decade ago isn’t going to yield the same result now most likely. Unless he’s just filling in gaps that Kyle Smith doesn’t have background in and Kyle is essentially running most other things I’m the organization, I don’t like it.

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I saw the same note about the guy from Tennessee. Just let it play out y'all.

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Per Rapoport:

Sources: The Washington Football Team is finalizing a deal with Marty Hurney to be its new GM. The Team should announce the move later today.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Ron bringing in "his guys" result in the team improving this year? 3 wins to 7, last place to a division title? And he didn't bring in "everyone" from Carolina. Del Rio was an outside hire, and the special teams coach was a holdover from Gruden.

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Just a musing really with Ingram being waived by Baltimore. Given that arguably Gibson and McKissick were the only effective running backs (Barber had a measly 2.7 ypc), would you consider bringing in a bruising vet like Ingram or look at picking up a big pound the rock back in a late round or UFA? Is Ingram too expensive?

For me I don't want a guy that's just moderately effective in short yardage, I want a guy I can put on the field at any time and threaten to get good yardage. Even if we maintain what is effectively RB by committee, I think we need an upgrade on Barber.