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[quote=SkinzWin;1273792]Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.

Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs
Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs
Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs
Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs

As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.

Now taking applications for members.[/quote]

Sign me up. Im a marketing director/sales manager in real life so I'd gladly join the cause.

Draft players around this kid and fucking let him play. Ffs you'd think we'd love to jump at the chance to look a gift horse in the mouth around here. Give the kid a chance. Bringing in a Stafford eliminates a potentially amazing future that I have seen enough of to know as previous stated - he has "it".. sadly we haven't seen "it" in so damn long (exclude rg3 he wasn't a real qb) that we won't settle for the.chance that we have something great and we need to.water this.seed to let it.fuckkng flourish.

Draft BPA/Need Need/BPA the whole fuckin draft and let the kid play.. we'd have won more than half the games Haskins started this year is Heineken was playing.

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What confuses me is the Allen love. And excuse any ignorance shown by this post, but you have 5 quarters of Heinicke, 4 of which in a playoff game vs a motivated defense. Give me the BEST 5 quarters of Allen and let's compare.

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[QUOTE=ODUsmitty;1273824]What confuses me is the Allen love. And excuse any ignorance shown by this post, but you have 5 quarters of Heinicke, 4 of which in a playoff game vs a motivated defense. Give me the BEST 5 quarters of Allen and let's compare.[/QUOTE]

Allen didn't play badly, to me he's just average. He's like Trent Dilfer; given the right weapons around him (mainly a strong run game and a top defense) and he might well see you to a better than 8-8 record. But he's really just a backup at NFL level. He was only starting because Haskins stunk and healthier than Smith.

That's no reason not to being him back to compete for the QB2 (or 3) role as he knows the system very well. But right now I'd say Heinicke has the edge on QB2, mainly because he's shown himself capable of starting.

Heinicke has shown enough to at least compete for the starting role in camp but I don't see him winning it, and not least because there will still be that 'fragile' tag hanging over him. He's shown good in 1.5 games but he's also lost roster spots twice in the past through injury and then he got hurt again Saturday. He needs a bigger sample size and to stay healthy over a 17+ game season to prove he's long term starter material. Staff would be foolish to hang all our hopes on him right now.

Re: Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1273792]Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.



Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs

Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs

Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs

Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs



As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.



Now taking applications for members.[/QUOTE]Yeah I posted those measurements in the other thread.
Mr President, can I be VP in charge of spreading the H to Europe ?

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Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1273792]Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.



Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs

Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs

Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs

Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs



As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.



Now taking applications for members.[/QUOTE]



I am a little hurt that I didn’t get considered for President of the fan club. I was actually talking him up before the game and I didn’t go to ODU.

Whatever though. Im in.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273792]Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.

Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs
Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs
Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs
Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs

As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.

Now taking applications for members.[/quote]

The guys you listed are all very good at protecting themselves when they run, and Brees doesn't even run. Size isn't my concern with Heinicke, it's the fact he manages to get hurt so often. Just looking at his wiki page:

On September 3, 2016, Heinicke was placed on the reserve/NFI list with an off-the-field injury suffered between minicamp and training camp. He was released with an injury settlement on September 11.

On December 25, 2017, Heinicke made his NFL debut against the Pittsburgh Steelers after Yates suffered a possible concussion. However, after completing his only pass attempt, Heinicke suffered a concussion and was replaced by Yates, who had just passed the concussion protocol.

On April 16, 2018, Heinicke was claimed off waivers by the Carolina Panthers. During the 2018 season he appeared in six games with the Panthers including being named starter for Week 16 against the Atlanta Falcons after starter Cam Newton was ruled out for the remainder of the season with a shoulder injury. In his start against the Atlanta Falcons, Heinicke went 33 for 53 for 274 yards, a touchdown and three interceptions. During the game he suffered an elbow injury and was replaced at quarterback by Kyle Allen. His injury was significant enough that he was placed on injured reserve for the Panthers final game of the year.

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He definitely deserves a shot he's earned that inspite of his political views.

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Heinke would be a great backup for us. Probably more affordable than Allen.

My first QB move would be retiring Alex Smith, the easy way or hard way.

Second, would be getting Heineken under contract in a affordable 2-3 deal. Guy is a gamer, you don’t let that walk. He can heal up holding a clipboard behind our starter

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The cost for Watson would be too high. Depleting draft picks for one guy rarely works. Dak is not worthy of being paid like the best playing in the league. Stafford is starting to break down

How about we do out and find our own guy? Are we capable of drafting our own guy? Can we develop Heinike? Let's not hit the panic button on the QB. I would bring back Heinike, Allen and draft someone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1273869]The cost for Watson would be too high. Depleting draft picks for one guy rarely works. Dak is not worthy of being paid like the best playing in the league. Stafford is starting to break down

How about we do out and find our own guy? Are we capable of drafting our own guy? Can we develop Heinike? Let's not hit the panic button on the QB. I would bring back Heinike, Allen and draft someone.[/quote]

That’s what I’m talking about. Can’t go crazy throwing money at FA’s. Next year, Allen, Payne, Settle and Logan Thomas contracts are coming up.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1273873]That’s what I’m talking about. Can’t go crazy throwing money at FA’s. Next year, Allen, Payne, Settle and Logan Thomas contracts are coming up.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on neither spending crazy money nor trading away a lot of picks, but we have quite some cap so I wouldn't hate the idea of having sort of a security blanket vet a la Fitzpatrick/Taylor/Mariota.

Maybe it's because the wild card game was just a couple of days ago but I really want Heinicke to have a chance to compete for the starting job. Something he won't get if we bring in a Watson/Stafford...

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Gotta remember, the salary cap is coming down...teams weren’t prepared for this, so it will limit those looking to spend also could force maybe a couple premature cuts to vets as well.

Our salary cap status is great and to be in this predicament may lead to some bargins in free agency we could take advantage of.

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[quote=Meks;1273822]Sign me up. Im a marketing director/sales manager in real life so I'd gladly join the cause.

Draft players around this kid and fucking let him play. Ffs you'd think we'd love to jump at the chance to look a gift horse in the mouth around here. Give the kid a chance. Bringing in a Stafford eliminates a potentially amazing future that I have seen enough of to know as previous stated - he has "it".. sadly we haven't seen "it" in so damn long (exclude rg3 he wasn't a real qb) that we won't settle for the.chance that we have something great and we need to.water this.seed to let it.fuckkng flourish.

Draft BPA/Need Need/BPA the whole fuckin draft and let the kid play.. we'd have won more than half the games Haskins started this year is Heineken was playing.[/quote]

Director of Marketing it is! 👇🏻

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[quote=punch it in;1273829]I am a little hurt that I didn’t get considered for President of the fan club. I was actually talking him up before the game and I didn’t go to ODU.

Whatever though. Im in.[/quote]

I hope you will accept my humble offer of the position of CEO.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1273827]Yeah I posted those measurements in the other thread.
Mr President, can I be VP in charge of spreading the H to Europe ?

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk[/quote]

Welcome as VP of Global Operations!

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273889]Welcome as VP of Global Operations![/quote]

I'll try to live up to the expectation, let's Heinickeeeee this shit !

Re: Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[quote=SkinzWin;1273792]Okay. I do not want to hear the “Heinicke is small and frail crap anymore”.

Taylor Heinicke 6’1” 210 lbs
Drew Brees —- 6’0” 208 lbs
Kyler Murray — 5’10” 207 lbs
Russell Wilson -5’11” 215 lbs

As the pronounced president of the Taylor Heinicke Fan Club, I will not tolerate such slanderous lies be made about our quarterback of the future. He sprained his AC joint flying like Superman during a circus stunt. That is not a normal play. The kid is a very smart “5 read” guy who has demonstrated terrific decision making and great accuracy, even with difficult down the field throws. He is extremely familiar with this offensive scheme. He is mobile and can extend plays when needed.

Now taking applications for members.[/quote]

You know who was bigger than all of those guys? Robert Griffin III. When you run head-long into freight trains repeatedly, you get splattered.

Heinicke's size isn't ideal. But his size combined with his style of play is straight up unsustainable. Deal with it, fanboy.

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1273888]I hope you will accept my humble offer of the position of CEO.[/QUOTE]



Do I get a name plate that says PUNCH .... CEO?

Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10;1273891]You know who was bigger than all of those guys? Robert Griffin III. When you run head-long into freight trains repeatedly, you get splattered.



Heinicke's size isn't ideal. But his size combined with his style of play is straight up unsustainable. Deal with it, fanboy.[/QUOTE]



Heineken ran when he had too. Which was too often because we have wr’s that cant get open and catch the fuckin ball. I dont think he would have to live so dangerously all the time if we had a run game, better oline, and more wr’s. RG -3 was a one trick pony and had no choice. Might prolong his shelf life. Just sayin.
Heineken for life.
All those guys SkinzWin mentioned are guys who have weapons, protection, run games. They run when they have to. RG -3 is a terrible example. He cannot fuckin throw.

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[quote=punch it in;1273892]Do I get a name plate that says PUNCH .... CEO?[/quote]

Put it on your company P card. It’s yours.

Re: Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[quote=Schneed10;1273891]You know who was bigger than all of those guys? Robert Griffin III. When you run head-long into freight trains repeatedly, you get splattered.

Heinicke's size isn't ideal. But his size combined with his style of play is straight up unsustainable. Deal with it, fanboy.[/quote]

Ouch. Fanboy. That cut deep. You can coach the kid up to be more selective on running and how to protect your body, ie when to slide like Russell Wilson. You know what you can’t coach? “IT”. Intelligence, decision making, and to some extent, accuracy. Heinicke has those intangibles. Something Haskins did not. It’s not like taking a risk on him is a financial burden to the franchise if he can’t stay health and stay in the league. But if he can through strategic coaching, look at his ceiling. It’s high. Deal with THAT, non-believer.

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Heinicke's size wouldn't be an issue if he had Brady and Russ' ability to stay healthy. But he doesn't. Every time he's played he's gotten injured.

Brady said it best, the best thing a qb can offer his team is availability. That is the indictment on Heinicke. You can't just ask a guy to turn off his willingness to play with reckless abandon.

I hate to say it but if we give up picks or players to someone else for their qb, Heinicke is slated to be a backup at best next year. Which I wouldn't mind because if he was the starter I'd make sure we had a solid backup behind him.

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If I can act as mediator here, I don't think anyone here is suggesting we let Heinicke walk.

I wholeheartedly say sign him up as he certainly looks like he has more upside than Allen. Like many though, I am concerned that he's not durable enough and that we've only seen a small sample size in the pro's. Thus I want him here to complete against whoever else comes here, and if he win's great; I just wouldn't hang the immediate future of the team on him without at least giving him adequate competition to prove himself against.

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1273896]Put it on your company P card. It’s yours.[/QUOTE]



Bam!

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If anyone should realize that any quarterback can get hurt it should be us. They can sign or draft whoever they like. If Heineken out does em in practice he will be given the chance to start. If he gets hurt he gets hurt (Ivan Drago voice).

Re: Taylor Effing Heinicke
 

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1273899]If I can act as mediator here, I don't think anyone here is suggesting we let Heinicke walk.



I wholeheartedly say sign him up as he certainly looks like he has more upside than Allen. Like many though, I am concerned that he's not durable enough and that we've only seen a small sample size in the pro's. Thus I want him here to complete against whoever else comes here, and if he win's great; I just wouldn't hang the immediate future of the team on him without at least giving him adequate competition to prove himself against.[/QUOTE]



Totally agree. On the flipside I dont think anyone is saying we should anoint Heineken the week one starter with zero competition or free agent acquisitions to consider. Some, like myself, are just really impressed by what he did and rooting for him to win the job. Or at the very least if we bring in a Stafford we know we got a very capable backup. Only time will tell.

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[quote=punch it in;1273892]Do I get a name plate that says PUNCH .... CEO?[/quote]

Is it a title or an instruction?

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[quote=punch it in;1273892]Do I get a name plate that says PUNCH .... CEO?[/quote]

Nope, but you can have one that says PUNCH [B]THE[/B] CEO

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1273905]Is it a title or an instruction?[/quote]

Depends on who is on the other side of the desk.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1273905]Is it a title or an instruction?[/QUOTE]



Guess that depends who walks in my office [emoji51]

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[QUOTE=SkinzWin;1273907]Depends on who is on the other side of the desk.[/QUOTE]



Exactly lol

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273897]Ouch. Fanboy. That cut deep. You can coach the kid up to be more selective on running and how to protect your body, ie when to slide like Russell Wilson. You know what you can’t coach? “IT”. Intelligence, decision making, and to some extent, accuracy. Heinicke has those intangibles. Something Haskins did not. [B]It’s not like taking a risk on him is a financial burden to the franchise if he can’t stay health and stay in the league. [/B]But if he can through strategic coaching, look at his ceiling. It’s high. Deal with THAT, non-believer.[/quote]

Preach Mr President.

Seriously though, there's zero risk in keeping him and giving him a shot. Regardless of his alleged health issue, we can't go all in based on one game and a half, we need competition and insurance.

All we saying is he's more than earned the right to have a shot at the starting job. Make him live in the weight room until next September and you might have the best QB steal in NFL history.

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I don't minding keeping TH but if he is our only plan for QB1 in 21, yeah no thanks.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1273949]I don't minding keeping TH but if he is our only plan for QB1 in 21, yeah no thanks.[/QUOTE]



Hey we won the division with a bust, a guy coming off the most horrific injury of any quarterback ever, and kyle fuckin allen. I highly doubt that 7 wins takes the division next year but i also highly doubt there will not be a new quarterback on our roster in week one. More than likely Heineken will be the backup. We will have a big name vet starting. Unless Heineken impresses that much in camp. Either way we will have a much better quarterback group next season.

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[quote=punch it in;1273950]Hey we won the division with a bust, a guy coming off the most horrific injury of any quarterback ever, and kyle fuckin allen. I highly doubt that 7 wins takes the division next year but [B]i also highly doubt there will not be a new quarterback on our roster in week one. More than likely Heineken will be the backup. We will have a big name vet starting.[/B] Unless Heineken impresses that much in camp. Either way we will have a much better quarterback group next season.[/quote]

I bet its stafford

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[quote=mredskins;1273951]I bet its stafford[/quote]

Ron would have came out and said "Taylor has proven he can be a starter for us" if he wasn't in the market for a big time QB.. It's clear with the reports and from his press conference that he is aggressively looking to add a QB.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1273951]I bet its stafford[/QUOTE]



I agree and I hope it is.

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Yes!!!

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[quote=SkinzWin;1273887]Director of Marketing it is! 👇🏻[/quote]

Letts gooooooo

Cheers!

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[quote=mredskins;1273951]I bet its stafford[/quote]

I’ve been thinking more about this since someone mentioned it though. He is a fit for the system we run? I’d love Stafford as he is a consistent top talent. But there also has to be a scheme for too. Stafford is going to command at least a 1st, which at 19, is a steal for his arm talent for the next 5 years.

Deshaun Watson would be a dream come true and a better scheme fit but I don’t know if he would constitute WFT as a contender for next year which I hear is his preference. I would bet the farm for him though.