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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274396]They certainly have to be in on the Watson talks[/quote]I just don't see us giving up an absurd amount for him though, if we legitimately pursue him. Watson is, reportedly, done with Houston. He's really pissed. He is suddenly the most polarizing player in this offseason.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274402]Prob Winston but I'd just rebuild.[/quote]I think they will give Winston a real chance. He just threw so many picks in Tampa. If anyone can improve him as a qb, Payton can.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274377]Brees with all those numbers and only 1 SB.[/quote]

All because Brett Favre and Adrian Peterson left their brains at home that day.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1274410]All because Brett Favre and Adrian Peterson left their brains at home that day.[/quote]

yeah the Viks had that year

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[quote=skinsfan69;1274376]
I feel at some point that rule will be changed. To me it can't be compared to a blocked punt. It's too penal just for a fumble that no one recovers.[/quote]

A blocked punt going outside the kicking team's endzone is a safety because the impetus is attributed to the kick.
And to me it's also the same logic: you're attributed impetus for a ball going out your own endzone = safety, you're attributed impetus for a ball going out your oponent's endzone = touchback.

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Yeah, thinking about it, I can't see a change to the rule that would work. It's just unfortunate the team in possession is punished by loss of possession, whereas the ball going OOB anywhere else gives it back to them. :|

In this case it's exaggerated because of the H2H hit.

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FFS, will someone wait and give Eric Bienemy a HC job.

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Maybe the Chiefs are putting people off, with him heir apparent to Reid?

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1274430]Yeah, thinking about it, I can't see a change to the rule that would work. It's just unfortunate the team in possession is punished by loss of possession, whereas the ball going OOB anywhere else gives it back to them. :|

In this case it's exaggerated because of the H2H hit.[/QUOTE]


There are sensible ways that rule could be changed. Bring the ball back to the 20 with offense retaining possession is one.

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The Houston Texans are a pure shit organization. Of course matching Watson with Bienemy would be ideal...but they have completely fuck up everything

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[quote=HTTR;1274436]There are sensible ways that rule could be changed. Bring the ball back to the 20 with offense retaining possession is one.[/quote]

This one doesn't make any sense to me. Reverse touchback ? Where does that come from ?

The issue with wanting to change just one rule is that the rules have been written with some sort of consistency and coherence. I'm not against changing rules (hence the discussion last week about Apke's punt, I think that's an example of a badly written rule), but you can't do it without considering the overall logic of the ruleS.

How about just coaching guys to situational awareness and protecting the ball ?Ball security is central in this sport.

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If the defense didn't recover the fumble, the defense should not get possession. Spot of the fumble would be the fair and reasonable outcome of a fumble like that.

It really killed the Browns' chances, I think they would have won if not for that BS rule.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1274385]Look at Marino threw for 5,000 in 84 which is like someone getting 6,000 today. Went to one, lost and never got back again. A lot of great great players that never got one.[/quote]

Warren Moon on top of that list.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274399]#Saints will now begin one of the craziest offseasons in NFL history no matter the NFL pegs the cap limit at. Currently project to be around $95M over the cap and that will be around $100M over once they sign futures deals.

DAMN The Saints are DONE[/quote]

We'll take Michael Thomas off their hands and books for them.


[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274401]That gamble did not pan out.

Hill or Winston as their starting QB next year?[/quote]

An offense that uses both.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1274439]This one doesn't make any sense to me. Reverse touchback ? Where does that come from ?

The issue with wanting to change just one rule is that the rules have been written with some sort of consistency and coherence. I'm not against changing rules (hence the discussion last week about Apke's punt, I think that's an example of a badly written rule), but you can't do it without considering the overall logic of the ruleS.

How about just coaching guys to situational awareness and protecting the ball ?Ball security is central in this sport.[/quote]

While logical consistency (what I think you are arguing for) is important, so is competitive fairness.

tldr: I don't see the competitive fairness of giving the ball to the defensive team at the 20. a better rule is the ball is placed at the one with the down determined by the previous play

The rule as it is written is punitive to the offense without basis. On punts, kickoffs or other implementations the offense is surrendering the ball and that makes sense. In the case of a forced or even worse, an unforced fumble, the offense receives a punishment, and the defense gains a reward, that is greatly exaggerated by the demarcation of the endzone boundaries. In the field of play a fumble is ruled for the offense at the spot it went out of bounds.

I think the logical consistency for fumbling out of bounds in the endzone should be a pass interference in the endzone. In both cases the offense cannot be given the ball where they would receive it in the field of play, so they are given it at the 1 yard line. So this is how I would change the rule.

For a fumble out of the opponents endzone by an offensive player:
1) the ball will be spotted at the 1 yard line.
2) the upcoming down and possession will be determined by the spot of the fumble and the last down played.
examples:
a) on any down the offensive player passes the first down marker at the 3 and fumbles out of the endzone.
Offense retains possesion with 1st down at the 1
b) on 1st, 2nd or 3rd and goal to go, the offensive player fumbles out of the endzone
Offense retains possesion and the down is the next successive down with the ball placed the 1
c) on 4th and goal to go, the offensive player fumbles out of the endzone.
Defensive team takes over with 1st and 10 at their 1 yard line.

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Not saying the rule will/should change, but if you go with those scenarios I would say the ball should go back to the offense at the point of the fumble, not the 1. If you fumble say at the 5, and it goes through the EZ, getting it at the 1 would give the O an unfair advantage, given the point of progress on the previous play.

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The penalty is harsh but protect the football. Dont extend it. This rule reminds me of what football used to be, much like rugby in a sense. A line of men trying to move an opposing line of men. Protecting and possessing the ball were rules 1 and 2.

Belichick and im sure a lot of other coaches have a rule ... dont extend the ball for the pylon.

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Just giving the offense the ball at 1 does not reward the defense at all for causing a fumble. The offense shouldnt be gifted on the play bc they fumbled it. Perhaps move it to the 20 and play whatever down it is.

I do think the result of the play is somewhat harsh but I do think the defense needs to be rewarded for causing a fumble .. but I feel that way about automatic first downs being tacked onto penalties as well.

Tough break that has bitten every team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274449]While logical consistency (what I think you are arguing for) is important, so is competitive fairness.

tldr: I don't see the competitive fairness of giving the ball to the defensive team at the 20. a better rule is the ball is placed at the one with the down determined by the previous play

The rule as it is written is punitive to the offense without basis. On punts, kickoffs or other implementations the offense is surrendering the ball and that makes sense. In the case of a forced or even worse, an unforced fumble, the offense receives a punishment, and the defense gains a reward, that is greatly exaggerated by the demarcation of the endzone boundaries. In the field of play a fumble is ruled for the offense at the spot it went out of bounds.

I think the logical consistency for fumbling out of bounds in the endzone should be a pass interference in the endzone. In both cases the offense cannot be given the ball where they would receive it in the field of play, so they are given it at the 1 yard line. So this is how I would change the rule.

For a fumble out of the opponents endzone by an offensive player:
1) the ball will be spotted at the 1 yard line.
2) the upcoming down and possession will be determined by the spot of the fumble and the last down played.
examples:
a) on any down the offensive player passes the first down marker at the 3 and fumbles out of the endzone.
Offense retains possesion with 1st down at the 1
b) on 1st, 2nd or 3rd and goal to go, the offensive player fumbles out of the endzone
Offense retains possesion and the down is the next successive down with the ball placed the 1
c) on 4th and goal to go, the offensive player fumbles out of the endzone.
Defensive team takes over with 1st and 10 at their 1 yard line.[/quote]

Ok, not saying this one doesn't make sense (but it would have to be spot of the fumble UNLESS it's within 1 yard of the goal line. IE: fumble at the 3 can't give you the ball at the 1).
But what I don't like is it gives offense a huge incentive to not be careful with the ball: extend it and you wether score or get it back at the 1... The reward is high (a TD), so lessening the risk isn't fair IMO.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1274456]Ok, not saying this one doesn't make sense (but it would have to be spot of the fumble UNLESS it's within 1 yard of the goal line. IE: fumble at the 3 can't give you the ball at the 1).

But what I don't like is it gives offense a huge incentive to not be careful with the ball: extend it and you wether score or get it back at the 1... The reward is high (a TD), so lessening the risk isn't fair IMO.[/QUOTE]Well if it is fumbled and recovered by the defense it is still defense's ball at the 20. So the risk of losing the ball still holds the possibility of turning it over.

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Here's a question; if Mahomes doesn't clear concussion protocol, what chance do you give the Chiefs of beating the Bills? I'd edge the Bills at this point.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1274468]Here's a question; if Mahomes doesn't clear concussion protocol, what chance do you give the Chiefs of beating the Bills? I'd edge the Bills at this point.[/quote]

Almost no chance. Henne definitely made the necessary plays to get past the Browns, but if he plays 60 minutes the Bills will most definitely win that game.

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Really hope Mahomes can play. But I don't think anyone plays 1 week after a concussion nowadays. It would be an epic story personally for Henne though. If he plays and wins, automatic Chiefs legend for life.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1274404]I just don't see us giving up an absurd amount for him though, if we legitimately pursue him. Watson is, reportedly, done with Houston. He's really pissed. He is suddenly the most polarizing player in this offseason.[/quote]

I had to make a run from work today and listened to sports radio when doing it{in Houston} local talk show guy thinks Houston has already picked a coach,just hasnt been announced yet,and maybe that's why Watson is telling fans not to protest because he's ok with who they picked.They were supposed to be interviewing Bienemy today

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[quote=htownskinfan;1274482]I had to make a run from work today and listened to sports radio when doing it{in Houston} local talk show guy thinks Houston has already picked a coach,just hasnt been announced yet,and maybe that's why Watson is telling fans not to protest because he's ok with who they picked.They were supposed to be interviewing Bienemy today[/quote]

Really hope it's not Bieniemy. He deserves better.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1274398]Arians on Antoine Winfield, throws shade at Chase Young: “Can’t say enough about him. To me, he's the Defensive Rookie of the Year. Seven and a half sacks isn’t anything to what he’s done.”

Ok stop[/quote]

As long as he's been around the game, he should know that sacks don't tell the whole story. Just a dumb, unnecessary comment. I get promoting your own guy, but you can do that without suggesting that someone else is undeserving.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1274474]Really hope Mahomes can play. But I don't think anyone plays 1 week after a concussion nowadays. It would be an epic story personally for Henne though. If he plays and wins, automatic Chiefs legend for life.[/quote]

Not me, I picked the Bills for the Super Bowl before the season. :D


I also picked us...hey, we made the playoffs!

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I think the Colts were already a team needing a QB, now they are officially in need of a QB:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30747073/philip-rivers-retires-nfl-ending-17-year-career-spent-los-angeles-chargers-indianapolis-colts[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274484]As long as he's been around the game, he should know that sacks don't tell the whole story. Just a dumb, unnecessary comment. I get promoting your own guy, but you can do that without suggesting that someone else is undeserving.[/quote]

guys stat line isnt that impressive. K. Curl has more picks than this fuckin guy... Please, give a rest, Bruce. Fuckin tool bag.

Side by side chase trumps him in every cat. besides tackles.

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I think the NFL will make sure Mahomes is cleared to play, even if he's not ready. He's the league's biggest money maker.

A chance at Mahomes in the SB again vs. the Bills who most casual fans can't name a single player from, it's all about the money.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274695]I think the NFL will make sure Mahomes is cleared to play, even if he's not ready. He's the league's biggest money maker.

A chance at Mahomes in the SB again vs. the Bills who most casual fans can't name a single player from, it's all about the money.[/quote]

Notice how now Mahomes conveniently doesn’t have a concussion.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1274695]I think the NFL will make sure Mahomes is cleared to play, even if he's not ready. He's the league's biggest money maker.

A chance at Mahomes in the SB again vs. the Bills who most casual fans can't name a single player from, it's all about the money.[/quote]

[quote=MissouriSkin;1274707]Notice how now Mahomes conveniently doesn’t have a concussion.[/quote]

Reports early on said it was a neck injury due to a pinched nerve, which is in conflict with the report about being in concussion protocol.

Concussions are overseen by third party neurologists. They are not going to put their medical license on the line because Goodell et al. says, “make it so”. That’s the most ridiculous thing when I see people say this.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274711]Reports early on said it was a neck injury due to a pinched nerve, which is in conflict with the report about being in concussion protocol.

Concussions are overseen by third party neurologists. They are not going to put their medical license on the line because Goodell et al. says, “make it so”. That’s the most ridiculous thing when I see people say this.[/quote]

That’s why I’m confused because I’m still seeing both being talked about. He has a neck injury but talk about the protocol. First I was seeing that since it was officially a neck injury that he was out of the protocol. I’m not sure where it officially stands.

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[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-world-reacts-to-details-from-drew-brees-wife/ar-BB1cW1FZ?ocid=hplocalnews&li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

Yeesh. Drew Brees played this entire year with a torn rotator cuff and torn fascia in his foot, in addition to the 11 broken ribs/collapsed lung that knocked him out for a few games. Talk about putting it on the line. See you on the first ballot in 5 years.

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Iggles got their new HC:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30753841/philadelphia-eagles-hiring-nick-sirianni-head-coach-sources-say[/url]

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That just leaves the Texans job now, right. Seems fitting that these are the last two left - the worst of the bunch...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274483]Really hope it's not Bieniemy. He deserves better.[/quote]

This. Bieniemy would be making a mistake reporting to Easterby/McNair. If I were Bieniemy I'd wait for a better team.

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Haskins to Pitt

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1274821]Iggles got their new HC:



[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30753841/philadelphia-eagles-hiring-nick-sirianni-head-coach-sources-say[/url][/QUOTE]This reminds me of the Zorn hire. Hope it works out just as well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274874]This reminds me of the Zorn hire. Hope it works out just as well.

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At least it’s not Dan Campbell in Detroit. Did anyone see his initial press conference? Sheesh. Talk about a nut job. Talking about taking peoples knee caps out and his office name tag says “Head Coach / The Dude”. Guy sounds like he’s got a major ego to compensate for a small 🍆

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Apparently the Texans are interviewing Josh McCown for HC. While I don't doubt his leadership and football brain, he has 0 coaching experience. I actually doubt he'll get the job, but to even consider a guy who was actually part of the playing roster just a couple of months ago for the HC job? Given the way they have handled Watson, I suspect their brain trust is closer to a brainless trust.