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[quote=MTK;1274759]Don't really understand why Smith would want to go to the Rams or 49ers. Snead and Lynch aren't going anywhere as their GM's.[/quote]

I'm not saying he'd go as a GM, given he hasn't been offered an interview this offseason so far it's fair to say nobody's looking at him for that role. But if he feels disrespected or that he hasn't earned the trust of Ron he could ask for permission to look for a different role elsewhere.

Right now I'm gonna ease off the talk of him leaving until we hear concrete talk. Just trying to be ready if it happens.

I'm a fan of more eyes and ears helping Ron, obviously he can't shoulder the load himself. Hopefully it all works out and everybody is on the same page and Mayhew/Hurney help our drafts even more.

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Mayhew as GM and Hurney in front office role. Loved MM as a player, but as a GM.... I do hope they retain Smith somehow.


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@john_keim

Per source: Martin mayhew will be the new GM in Washington. ...not sure yet about Marty Hurney or his potential role but Mayhew will be the GM.

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[quote=calia;1274851]Mayhew as GM and Hurney in front office role. Loved MM as a player, but as a GM.... I do hope they retain Smith somehow.


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Beat me to it. Things are getting interesting for sure. Was there ever a press release from the team stating Hurney was the GM? Or was it all media “sources”?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274852]@john_keim

Per source: Martin mayhew will be the new GM in Washington. ...not sure yet about Marty Hurney or his potential role but Mayhew will be the GM.[/quote]

Interesting. Who said earlier that Hurney doesn't want the GM responsibilities? Sounds like Rivera just wanted Hurney on board in any type of capacity he was willing to offer.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/15-non-qb-free-agents-ties-either-martin-mayhew-or-marty-hurney[/url]

Not impressed with Mayhew and Hurney’s free agent connections. Didn’t even mention Stafford.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/could-explain-why-washington-now-expected-make-martin-mayhew-its-gm[/url]

Some context for the “2021 GM Switchgate”.

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Wow.. So MM is the GM? Interesting...

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274858][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/15-non-qb-free-agents-ties-either-martin-mayhew-or-marty-hurney[/url]

Not impressed with Mayhew and Hurney’s free agent connections. Didn’t even mention Stafford.[/quote]

Good thing they aren't limited to just that handful of players.

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With Mayhew becoming the WFT GM, that gives the 49ers three third round picks since Saleh took the Jets job.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1274864]With Mayhew becoming the WFT GM, that gives the 49ers three third round picks since Saleh took the Jets job.[/QUOTE]I have yet to understand the logic of that rule?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274863]Good thing they aren't limited to just that handful of players.[/quote]

I understand that. Just hoping for some connections with some better FAs.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274864]With Mayhew becoming the WFT GM, that gives the 49ers three third round picks since Saleh took the Jets job.[/quote]

So fucking stupid.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274866]I understand that. Just hoping for some connections with some better FAs.[/quote]

Yeah, not a very impressive list. I'd take Curtis Samuel, but only after we already picked up A Robinson, Godwin, Golladay, or C Davis.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1274865]I have yet to understand the logic of that rule?

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I think the idea is to provide incentive for clubs to develop minority coaches and executives, rather than rewarding clubs for hiring minority coaches and executives.

Who wants to take a new job where the water cooler talk is all about whether you actually deserve the job, or whether you got the job because the team gets two-three draft picks for hiring you.

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[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/gm-flip-washington-football-team-reveals-roles-for-hurney-and-mayhew[/url]

For those wondering why K Smith isn't the new GM. He just isn't ready - yet.

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So Mayhew is the GM and not Hurney, so much for the cronyism angle huh


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[quote=MTK;1274873]So Mayhew is the GM and not Hurney, so much for the cronyism angle huh


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That idea that Ron wants someone who can run interference on Dan seems plausible. Not sure what Hurney's role will be but it sounds like he does not want to handle full GM responsibilities.

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[quote=mooby;1274875]That idea that Ron wants someone who can run interference on Dan seems plausible. [B]Not sure what Hurney's role will be[/B] but it sounds like he does not want to handle full GM responsibilities.[/quote]

Thought I read somewhere it would be Grand Poobah.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274872][url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/gm-flip-washington-football-team-reveals-roles-for-hurney-and-mayhew[/url]

For those wondering why K Smith isn't the new GM. He just isn't ready - yet.[/quote]

Ron could have addressed this without Hurney, I still say Smith has a better eye for talent than Mayhew and Hurney combined. We’ve been through 4 GM’s since Beathard left and Smith picks have been impressive, the other 4 Casserly and McCloughan were ok, Vinny and Allen should have been recruiting elementary schools.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274877]Ron could have addressed this without Hurney, I still say Smith has a better eye for talent than Mayhew and Hurney combined. We’ve been through 4 GM’s since Beathard left and Smith picks have been impressive, the other 4 Casserly and McCloughan were ok, Vinny and Allen should have been recruiting elementary schools.[/quote]

Well, I think we have put to bed the idea that Kyle Smith is solely responsible for any of the previous drafts. It is a collaborative effort. No one person is responsible for any draft pick.

This feels kind of like the quarterback who gets too much credit for the win last week, and all the blame for the loss this week.

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I'd definitely go after Robinson and Samuel. Get them both and we'd go from weak to bad-ass at WR.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1274882]I'd definitely go after Robinson and Samuel. Get them both and we'd go from weak to bad-ass at WR.[/quote]

Robinson is my number one FA wish list item, after Stafford (really Watson, but I think he will cost too much). Okay so Robinson in 3rd. But still high up there. Talented, class act guy.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1274883]Robinson is my number one FA wish list item, after Stafford (really Watson, but I think he will cost too much). Okay so Robinson in 3rd. But still high up there. Talented, class act guy.[/quote]

For some reason, Robinson reminds me of Art Monk.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1274886]For some reason, Robinson reminds me of Art Monk.[/quote]

Can’t say I disagree.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1274877]Ron could have addressed this without Hurney, I still say Smith has a better eye for talent than Mayhew and Hurney combined. We’ve been through 4 GM’s since Beathard left and Smith picks have been impressive, the other 4 Casserly and McCloughan were ok, Vinny and Allen should have been recruiting elementary schools.[/quote]

Ron has more in mind for his GM than just a guy to pick players though. Smith lacks the overall front office executive experience that Mayhew and Hurney have.

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WFT made if official this morning in a press release this morning. Mayhew is our new GM!

[url]https://www.washingtonfootball.com/news/washington-football-team-martin-mayhew-gm[/url]

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Hurney has been named the EVP of Football / Player Personnel. He will report directly to Ron Rivera.

[url]https://www.washingtonfootball.com/news/washington-football-marty-hurney-executive-vp-football-player-personnel[/url]

I read this as Hurney being in charge, and Mayhew reporting into Hurney. It means Hurney is the de facto GM, with Mayhew having the GM title in name only.

It will be up to Hurney and Ron as to how much say Mayhew will have in player personnel selection. In reality, it will be a collaborative approach amongst all of these guys, with Ron ultimately having the decision making.

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Everyone reports to Ron basically. Ron is the dude in the room.

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[quote=Schneed10;1274949]Hurney has been named the EVP of Football / Player Personnel. He will report directly to Ron Rivera.

[url]https://www.washingtonfootball.com/news/washington-football-marty-hurney-executive-vp-football-player-personnel[/url]

I read this as Hurney being in charge, and Mayhew reporting into Hurney. It means Hurney is the de facto GM, with Mayhew having the GM title in name only.

It will be up to Hurney and Ron as to how much say Mayhew will have in player personnel selection. In reality, it will be a collaborative approach amongst all of these guys, with Ron ultimately having the decision making.[/quote]

Interesting...hopefully it work

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JP Finlay
Understandably fans have questions about new front office structure in Washington. Ron remains boss, Mayhew is top talent evaluator and Hurney will handle the procedural stuff. Most important message I’ve gotten from Ashburn - all 3 are excited and on same page.

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Jason Wright
Just met Martin & Marty w/ Coach. You could feel the confidence, the steadiness of the combined wisdom of ~50 NFL yrs in the room. They're already collaborating seamlessly as a team. From @RiverboatRonHC down, football is in the hands of selfless, thoughtful leaders. I'm excited.

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[quote=MTK;1274952]Everyone reports to Ron basically. Ron is the dude in the room.[/quote]

Good way to look at it, that's the bottom line.

I'm happy there's enough adults supporting him. I have admired the job Kyle Smith did but he's been immersed in draft board preparation and overseeing pro scouting. But that's not enough resources in the front office.

Somebody needs to give Ron guidance on long term vision and strategy. Somebody has to answer the phones and negotiate trades. Somebody has to negotiate with the free agents and manage the salary cap. And most importantly, somebody has to tie all that together and express how it all fits into the cohesive strategy.

Kyle, as good as he has been with draft boards, is not enough. That's why you hire Hurney and Mayhew.

I think Hurney will help Ron with the overall long term strategy. Together they will task Rogers with managing the cap and negotiating contracts. The players they ask him to negotiate with will be determined by Ron and Hurney, with the input of Mayhew who is overseeing all the scouts, pro and college. The players they draft will be chosen by Ron and Hurney, based upon the draft board that Mayhew and the scouts put together.

As to who picks up the phone on big trades, not sure. Best guess is Mayhew takes the first call like Jonah Hill's character in Moneyball, and checks with Hurney and Ron on the big decisions.

Whatever. Two key takeaways:

1) Buck stops with Ron
2) He's surrounding himself with enough adults to support him

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[quote=Schneed10;1274949]Hurney has been named the EVP of Football / Player Personnel. He will report directly to Ron Rivera.

[url]https://www.washingtonfootball.com/news/washington-football-marty-hurney-executive-vp-football-player-personnel[/url]

I read this as Hurney being in charge, and Mayhew reporting into Hurney. It means Hurney is the de facto GM, with Mayhew having the GM title in name only.

It will be up to Hurney and Ron as to how much say Mayhew will have in player personnel selection. In reality, it will be a collaborative approach amongst all of these guys, with Ron ultimately having the decision making.[/quote]

I don't think Mayhew will be reporting to Hurney. If anything, Mayhew's title is a tic above Hurney's, but they'll both be reporting to Ron who will be the final decision-maker. My guess is Mayhew and Hurney will essentially split the traditional GM duties, so Ron can focus more on coaching the team.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1274958]I don't think Mayhew will be reporting to Hurney. If anything, Mayhew's title is a tic above Hurney's, but they'll both be reporting to Ron who will be the final decision-maker. My guess is Mayhew and Hurney will essentially split the traditional GM duties, so Ron can focus more on coaching the team.[/quote]

Remind me not to put you in charge of anything important. That's not a sound organizational structure, and I don't think Ron would do that at all.

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To provide a more informative response, and perhaps less confrontational...

Executive Vice President is generally a title given to the highest ranking executives in an organization, they are generally one step down from the man in charge.

Hierarchy typically goes:

Manager
Reports to: Director
Reports to: Associate Vice President
Reports to: Vice President
Reports to: Senior Vice President
Reports to: Executive Vice President
Reports to: President & CEO

In most organizations the Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer carry the title of EVP. So the title will read Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

It's rare that a Senior VP outranks a EVP.

So my read is:

Kyle Smith, VP of Player Personnel
Reports to: Martin Mayhew, SVP and General Manager
Reports to: Marty Hurney, EVP Football / Personnel
Reports to: Ron Rivera, Head Coach and The Dude

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It’s nice to see professional football people running the organization. What a great change.

It’s a brighter day ahead for Skins fans


Look in Philly, front office is forcing the QB onto the new staff...Dallas floundering with a bad HC decision and major salary cap issues with a 40 million QB free agent, giants and gettleman, very questionable moves with the draft...tranny dimes...

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[quote=Schneed10;1274969]

So my read is:

Kyle Smith, VP of Player Personnel
Reports to: Martin Mayhew, SVP and General Manager
Reports to: Marty Hurney, EVP Football / Personnel
Reports to: Ron Rivera, Head Coach and The Dude[/quote]

We've had press releases come out already. Both Mayhew and Hurney report directly to Ron.

JP Finley reported that Mayhew is in charge of player personnel stuff and Hurney will help out with administrative stuff. It appears the structure is exactly what you criticized Chief X for proposing a few posts ago.

I agree with you that it seems a bit backward on paper, but this has been a coach-centric approach from the beginning. Everything Ron's done so far has worked out better than I've expected, so I am cautiously optomistic.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1274973]We've had press releases come out already. Both Mayhew and Hurney report directly to Ron.

JP Finley reported that Mayhew is in charge of player personnel stuff and Hurney will help out with administrative stuff. It appears the structure is exactly what you criticized Chief X for proposing a few posts ago.

I agree with you that it seems a bit backward on paper, but this has been a coach-centric approach from the beginning. Everything Ron's done so far has worked out better than I've expected, so I am cautiously optomistic.[/quote]

Just saw it and you're right. Chief I owe you an apology, WFT really is dumb enough to structure it this way.

It's a bad idea, I think Ron's inviting trouble. Mayhew and Hurney need to be adults who don't stab each other in the back or Ron won't be well supported. Maybe they are, but a better structure would mitigate it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1274975]Just saw it and you're right. Chief I owe you an apology, WFT really is dumb enough to structure it this way.

It's a bad idea, I think Ron's inviting trouble. Mayhew and Hurney need to be adults who don't stab each other in the back or Ron won't be well supported. Maybe they are, but a better structure would mitigate it.[/quote]

Given that they were both hired at the same time and both report to Ron, I think they all know going into this exactly who is responsible for doing what. Hurney is 65 years old and likely wants to "stay in the game" without necessarily having a 60-80hr/week job that dominates his life.

As awkward as the arrangement seems, I think it can work fine as long as Hurney "stays in his lane" (whatever that lane is).

Some have said this is too many cooks in the kitchen, but given that Kyle Smith is reportedly not part of the go-forward plan, this is really just a net addition of one person. And given Ron was stretched very thin last year, we definitely needed to add atleast one person.