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We're into April. Only 4 weeks until the draft. Yes!!!

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[quote=nonniey;1280489]You don't see anything alarming? If Foster (who also had baggage and fell) and Parsons were coming out the same year most, if not all, would choose Foster easily over him. Of course no one would draft Foster in the 1st round now knowing how that went.[/quote]


Agree.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1280656]I think a team led by Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio will definitely lean toward LB at the 19th pick.

I dig the Tulsa kid, but wouldn't hate Parsons.

Adding a bad ass LB to our front line gives me goose bumps.[/quote]

On the other hand a team lead by Rivera and Del Rio should be able to find great linebackers in the mid to late rounds without having to expend high picks on them........

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1280550]I would run to select Parsons if he were available. We don't need a room of choir boys, we need football players. Parsons is a VERY good football player. Would you have wanted Ray Lewis? He was a great player, but did far worse things than Parsons has done.[/quote]

Lewis hadn't done anything when drafted, so yeah, I wouldn't have had a problem with him. But if he had been involved in the crap he was involved in later, yeah, I would've passed.

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As much as i would love a LB to solidify the D I really hope we take a Tackle. Our D is good enough to win already but if we cant protect Fitzmagic it will be more of the same.

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QBS
Lawrence
Wilson
Jones
Fields
Lance

WR
Chase
Waddle
Smith
Marshall
Toney
Bateman

OT
Sewell
Slater
VeraTucker
Darrisaw
Jenkins
Mayfield

Draft is 1R deep at QB, WR and OT.

WR Marshall
OT Jenkisn
LBs Osusu and Collins

Should be there at 19.

Draft talent matches up well with our needs.

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Vera-Tucker is probably going to be a guard, but there are 7-8 prospects that are projected to be starting tackles from the jump.

If that is they way they decide to go, I hope an opportunity presents itself to trade back, get their OT, and acquire another pick or two.

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5. Jabril Cox, LSU

As far as pure coverage skill goes, Cox is the best in the draft class. Others are more athletic or explosive, but Cox is so assignment-sound and smooth that he consistently gets the job done. Whether that’s in man coverage…

Cox just continually made plays throughout his college career. In his last three seasons — two at North Dakota State before transferring to LSU this past season — Cox earned coverage grades of 87.4 (2018), 85.2 (2019) and 83.5 (2020) while collecting eight picks and 11 pass breakups over that span. Maybe he won’t produce super high-end splash plays, but Cox gets the job done.

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-linebacker-rankings[/url]

LSU LB Cox has been linked to the Skins at no. 51 by multiple sites. Hamstring keep him from participating in the LSU pro day

Would love Jenkins in the 1st, Cox in the 2nd (or bateman in 2nd if he gets that far)

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[quote=SunnySide;1280688]5. Jabril Cox, LSU

As far as pure coverage skill goes, Cox is the best in the draft class. Others are more athletic or explosive, but Cox is so assignment-sound and smooth that he consistently gets the job done. Whether that’s in man coverage…

Cox just continually made plays throughout his college career. In his last three seasons — two at North Dakota State before transferring to LSU this past season — Cox earned coverage grades of 87.4 (2018), 85.2 (2019) and 83.5 (2020) while collecting eight picks and 11 pass breakups over that span. Maybe he won’t produce super high-end splash plays, but Cox gets the job done.

[url]https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-linebacker-rankings[/url]

LSU LB Cox has been linked to the Skins at no. 51 by multiple sites. Hamstring keep him from participating in the LSU pro day

Would love Jenkins in the 1st, Cox in the 2nd (or bateman in 2nd if he gets that far)[/quote]

Cox always seems to be my 2nd rd pick when I've done mocks, would love to grab him there

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I have to think that unless a pretty much nailed on starting LT is there at 19 we'll take the best LB available (especially if near enough the BPA). Unless the likes of Darrisaw is still available, I'd pick Parsons, Owusu-Koramoah or Collins - at least one of them should still be available. While we need MLB probably most (Parsons), I'd say Collins opposite Holcomb could be one of the bet OLB set ups in the league.

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Per @NickiJhabvala

Ron Rivera says it's not paramount they get their "QB of the future now. In Carolina, he got Cam and then built around him. "I've always thought if you could do it the other way, where you put all the other pieces around them and then go get your QB, that could be good."

Bad news for anyone holding out hope the team trades up to get a top QB prospect. Ain’t happening Jack! BPA!!!

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We're good at QB for 2021. He's right, it's no longer a dire situation that needs fixed NOW.

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19. Washington Football Team
Virginia Tech OT Christian Darrisaw

Washington might still want to give Saahdiq Charles a shot at left tackle, but he remains a virtual unknown. And though Cornelius Lucas held his own there late last season, we think the team can upgrade.

Darrisaw is a light-on-his-feet blocker with flashes of a mean streak (we’d still like to see it more consistently), and his three years of starting experience make him feel like a very safe selection here for an offense that continues rebuilding.[/SIZE]

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I'd be happy with that

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That is who i want. I want a tackle and i want Darrisaw

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I also would be happy with this pick. But we do need linebackers.

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3 starters, developmental QB, and some solid guys that would get on the field. Would be pretty happy with this draft.

19: R1 P19 OT Teven Jenkins - Oklahoma State
51: R2 P19 LB Zaven Collins - Tulsa
74: R3 P10 QB Kellen Mond - Texas A&M
82: R3 P18 S Andre Cisco - Syracuse
124: R4 P19 CB Kelvin Joseph - Kentucky
163: R5 P19 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
244: R7 P16 WR Josh Palmer - Tennessee
246: R7 P18 G Michal Menet - Penn State

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If they love one of the second tier linebacker, like Collins or Bolton, I wonder whether they are thinking about packaging one of their thirds with the second to move up to the top of the second or back end of the first to enable them to take an OT and the LB. I would move up 3-4 places in the first to secure Darrisaw, but I know nothing so they may prefer Jenkins because he has a mean streak

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PFF currently has us picking 18th in their simulator. WTF?

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Yes, please!!

19: R1 P19 QB Trey Lance - North Dakota State
51: R2 P19 LB Jabril Cox - LSU
74: R3 P10 LB Cameron McGrone - Michigan
82: R3 P18 OT Walker Little - Stanford
124: R4 P19 S Hamsah Nasirildeen - Florida State
163: R5 P19 WR Shi Smith - South Carolina
244: R7 P16 TE Noah Gray - Duke
246: R7 P18 CB DJ Daniel - Georgia

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19. Washington Football Team
Virginia Tech OT Christian Darrisaw

Washington might still want to give Saahdiq Charles a shot at left tackle, but he remains a virtual unknown. And though Cornelius Lucas held his own there late last season, we think the team can upgrade.

Darrisaw is a light-on-his-feet blocker with flashes of a mean streak (we’d still like to see it more consistently), and his three years of starting experience make him feel like a very safe selection here for an offense that continues rebuilding.[/SIZE][/quote]

That sounds like an excellent idea to me

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1280846]If they love one of the second tier linebacker, like Collins or Bolton, I wonder whether they are thinking about packaging one of their thirds with the second to move up to the top of the second or back end of the first to enable them to take an OT and the LB. I would move up 3-4 places in the first to secure Darrisaw, but I know nothing so they may prefer Jenkins because he has a mean streak[/quote]

I'd rather trade back and acquire an extra pick or two. There's probably 7-8 starting OTs and 10+ starting LB starters in the top 100. No need to trade up.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280867]I'd rather trade back and acquire an extra pick or two. There's probably 7-8 starting OTs and 10+ starting LB starters in the top 100. No need to trade up.[/quote]

I tend to agree, but the quality starting linebacker and OT will be gone by the time we pick in the second, what remains may be serviceable starters, so it is a question would you rather have 2 good quality starters in areas of need or 3-4 average guys..... I don't like to trade up in general but it is a case of what is the best value for the picks you have...... I trust the front office, for now at least, to know more than us and make the right choices

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1280866]That sounds like an excellent idea to me[/quote]

Getting Darrisaw is definitely the safest pick imo. That's a positive. If that's who we pick, I'll be excited.

1 thing, even during Snyder, we've done right, is have great LT play. Most important position in the game, outside of QB.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1280872]Getting Darrisaw is definitely the safest pick imo. That's a positive. If that's who we pick, I'll be excited.

1 thing, even during Snyder, we've done right, is have great LT play. Most important position in the game, outside of QB.[/quote]

I’m not sure about that...ima tech fan but I don’t think he is a first round pick.

I was thinking this weekend, who really is the BPA at 19? And I thought about this, the best RB in the draft might be...

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Antonio Gibson and Najee Harris would be a fun duo, and cheap for a few years.

Harris would likely be an upgrade in the Barber role.

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If you want to go with Best Player Available...at 19 who is that?

I think taking the best Free Safety, RB or Guard in the draft is ok at 19. What about the best the slot receiver in the draft like K Toney?

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My general feeling of what position the Skins will target at 19:

LB: 40%
Tackle:40%
CB: 10%
WR: 10%

I’d give a slight edge to LB right now

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I like it. Here's mine:

Trade back: 40% - Of course you need a willing trade partner, but given the depth in this draft at the positions of need, I think trading back could be a great option. However, if Surtain, Farley, Darrisaw, Slater, or Parsons are there at 19, I think you have to select one of them.

LB: 25%

OT: 25%

CB: 5%

S: 5%

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1280951]I like it. Here's mine:

Trade back: 40% - Of course you need a willing trade partner, but given the depth in this draft at the positions of need, I think trading back could be a great option. However, if Surtain, Farley, Darrisaw, Slater, or Parsons are there at 19, I think you have to select one of them.

LB: 25%

OT: 25%

CB: 5%

S: 5%[/quote]

Surtain and Parsons for sure

I started to read up about prospects this past weekend...I have less of a clue than ever cause I didn’t watch or keep up with college ball this year. Darrisaw, the linebacker from ND and trying to name top pass rusher in draft seemed to be widest, varying opinions going into the draft.

One thing i kept reading about Darrisaw...lazy, doesn’t finish blocks,’lacks dog. That’s a big concern. Also heard he is maybe the most athletic of the olineman and can make any block.

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[QUOTE]@AdamSchefter
With teams locked into the first three overall picks, the Atlanta Falcons now have received trade calls from multiple teams and “are open to moving” out of the No. 4 spot, per source.[/QUOTE]

Interesting question, do you make a move to trade up for Kyle Pitts? Dude is a game changer, I'd consider it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1280952]Surtain and Parsons for sure

I started to read up about prospects this past weekend...I have less of a clue than ever cause I didn’t watch or keep up with college ball this year. Darrisaw, the linebacker from ND and trying to name top pass rusher in draft seemed to be widest, varying opinions going into the draft.

One thing i kept reading about Darrisaw...lazy, doesn’t finish blocks,’lacks dog. That’s a big concern. Also heard he is maybe the most athletic of the olineman and can make any block.[/quote]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about the kid from ND, but he is probably exactly what RR would be looking for with his uber versatility.

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Interesting look at the last decade and whether the first QB chosen was best in class: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/4/5/22365407/how-often-is-the-first-qb-selected-the-best-in-his-draft-class[/url]

Summary:
33% of time first QB chosen is best in class
On a year to year basis The top QB in the class was found in the top 10 draft picks 56% of time
18 QBs were identified as long term starters. 11 of 18 (61%) top 10 picks, 2 of 18 (11%) picks 11-32, 5 of 18 (28%) rounds 2-4.

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[quote=MTK;1280954]Interesting question, do you make a move to trade up for Kyle Pitts? Dude is a game changer, I'd consider it.[/quote]


That is gonna take a haul! I like him too but I don’t think u trade another first for anything but a QB.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1280957]Interesting look at the last decade and whether the first QB chosen was best in class: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/4/5/22365407/how-often-is-the-first-qb-selected-the-best-in-his-draft-class[/url]

Summary:
33% of time first QB chosen is best in class
On a year to year basis The top QB in the class was found in the top 10 draft picks 56% of time
18 QBs were identified as long term starters. 11 of 18 (61%) top 10 picks, 2 of 18 (11%) picks 11-32, 5 of 18 (28%) rounds 2-4.[/quote]

Good data here!

I think Scheme fit is overlooked with QB but other positions it’s more scrutinized. There a more QB friendly places: Andy Reid...rarely do you see a QB “not work”. Alex Smith had his best year of a long career with him. McNabb would have been a bust half the other places he would have landed. Mike Vick got rich again under Andy.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1280957]Interesting look at the last decade and whether the first QB chosen was best in class: [url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/4/5/22365407/how-often-is-the-first-qb-selected-the-best-in-his-draft-class[/url]

Summary:
33% of time first QB chosen is best in class
On a year to year basis The top QB in the class was found in the top 10 draft picks 56% of time
18 QBs were identified as long term starters. 11 of 18 (61%) top 10 picks, 2 of 18 (11%) picks 11-32, 5 of 18 (28%) rounds 2-4.[/quote]

Good stuff and that's why you will see 3 of these 5 QB's turn out to be backups or bust.

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With teams locked into the first three overall picks, the Atlanta Falcons now have received trade calls from multiple teams and “are open to moving” out of the No. 4 spot, per source.

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I don't see a reason to trade back, as we really need a difference maker on the OL or LB crew. Unless they are all gone by then (unlikely), I'd be targeting an LT or LB hard with #19. And yes, if Surtain fell to us I'd give him strong consideration, but I'm not taking him over the likes of Parsons or Darrisaw. We already have a good secondary, so I'm not sure adding a #1 CB adds as much overall as a #1 LT or LB.

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Well, you only trade back if there is a willing partner, the guy you really want isn't there at 19, and you are confident you can get what you want where you are trading back to. There is very good depth at OT in this draft. Well into the second round you are likely to find a starting LT. Well into the third there are opportunities to significantly upgrade LB group too.

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Not disagreeing per se, but you want a stud in a draft like this, not just a starter. I've said it before, ideally we find a Ray Lewis type and an Ed Reed type to give us a solid core to and already great D. For me that starts with a guy like Parsons. If he's not there another Trent like LT could anchor the OL for 10+ years (assuming we don't screw it up!). For me either scenario is way better than trading back for good but not great talent and depth.