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[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1283343]Definitely no Sprinkle. He's the king of 4-yard receptions.[/QUOTE]



If he actually catches it first....

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1283172]Yeah pretty bold talk from a guy who isn’t in the league right now. 🤦*♂️[/quote]

I saw a report that said Robert wants to mentor Trey Lance. On what? How to not get your 5th year option picked up?

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[quote=MTK;1283331]Got excited about our new TE Bates after listening to Cooley on him. He loves him, said he reminds him of himself. Not sure what the initial comp to Jeremy Sprinkle was all about, Bates looks way more athletic.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/chris-cooley-very-high-washington-rookie-john-bates"]'Love this dude': Cooley is high on Washington's John Bates[/URL]

[YT]LDLb60v3NAM[/YT][/quote]

I was listening to Sirius XM NFL radio the other afternoon on the way home from work and Jim and Pat were talking about Bates. Said during a team interview Bates was asked what he needed to work on. The team staff member who had talked to Jim and Pat said most players answer something about selfish personal stats, like catch more balls, etc. this guy told Jim and Pat that Bates’ answer was the only time the WFT interviewer has EVER heard this said as an answer. “Whatever I have to do to win coach, I’ll do whatever it takes to win.”

I got a fucking hard on hearing that and that’s why I love Ron so much. He prioritizes this kind of mindset and is building an entire locker room full of guys with this mentality. I’m am so psyched for this year. Bates is going to play a good sized role for us.

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The wr room got real crowded. Gandy Golden, Harmon and both Sims could be in trouble.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1283368]The wr room got real crowded. Gandy Golden, Harmon and both Sims could be in trouble.[/quote]

Harmon is my dude. I think he will be a good player. But that's just my opinion.

Hope he sticks.

I think we need to keep 6 WRs:

McLaurin, Samuel, Brown (that's my starting 3), Harmon, Sims, and 1 of Sims Jr., Milne, Wright, Gandy or Humphries.

Harmon wasn't drafted by Rivera, so Gandy might have the edge over him.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1283341]Cooley is usually pretty tough on evaluating TE's, so the fact he had a glowing opinion about this kid gives me a lot of hope.[/QUOTE]Yeah just listened to it, he definitely seems to think there's a lot of potential here. Not gonna wow anybody with speed but if he gets open, catches it, and is a solid blocker... I'd say that's something we haven't had on this roster since... Cooley retired ? (Not saying he is Cooley or is gonna turn into Cooley, but who was our last true all around TE ?)

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1283369]Harmon is my dude. I think he will be a good player. But that's just my opinion.



Hope he sticks.



I think we need to keep 6 WRs:



McLaurin, Samuel, Brown (that's my starting 3), Harmon, Sims, and 1 of Sims Jr., Milne, Wright, Gandy or Humphries.



Harmon wasn't drafted by Rivera, so Gandy might have the edge over him.[/QUOTE]



I think Harmon could be good too. I agree with your 5. I want to keep AGG and Humphries though - who I think is a lock. Fuck Sims JR. Milne and Wright are gone. Can we keep 7? Probably not.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1283173]I think you are so off with almost all of your analysis with this draft, I don't even know where to begin. I'll just take this point.

So you want your GM to tell your entire scouting staff to move heaven and earth trying to find the QB of the future - and essentially force the pick of a QB, "[I]some QB with upside[/I]" :confused?:... and that is a long term approach? No. That is wasting scouts' precious time at the expense of improving the other 95% of the roster, and likely a waste of a pick.

I'm sure they scouted QBs, but I'm glad that's not the only position they scouted, and they didn't just draft one to draft one.

RR and company have said it a million times, about taking a measured approach, not forcing anything, not mortgaging the future, etc. They have proven that through free agency, and I see nothing that changed that with this draft.

Did they draft needs? Of course they did. Every team did. That's why when it's a team's turn to draft, the analysts talk about what that team NEEDS, not who is their best player on the board.

For me, it's just nice to have grown men in charge for a change.[/quote]

A good FO can find one QB they like somewhere in draft in any given year. We didn't because RR wants Allen. Period. You can draft one QB instead of a LS or 10th WR and still have a measured approach. Not drafting a QB was unacceptable, in at least late rounds.

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[quote=punch it in;1283379]I think Harmon could be good too. I agree with your 5. I want to keep AGG and Humphries though - who I think is a lock. Fuck Sims JR. Milne and Wright are gone. Can we keep 7? Probably not.[/quote]

Just based on what we saw last year Wright > AGG.

AGG didn't show us squat.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1283174]Well said!

Funny thing is Atlanta (where Smith went) also didnt draft a qb.

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They have Matt Ryan, LOL.
Not an apples to apples, or even apples to oranges, more like apple to cactus.
Behind Ryan they have veteran backup and then signed Franks as a UDFA, as a developmental prospect.
Matt Ryan isn't Montana, but he's been a solid starter and led his team to SB and multiple playoff appearances.
We don't have anything even approaching Matt Ryan, but didn't sign a developmental prospect.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1283173]I think you are so off with almost all of your analysis with this draft, I don't even know where to begin. I'll just take this point.

So you want your GM to tell your entire scouting staff to move heaven and earth trying to find the QB of the future - and essentially force the pick of a QB, "[I]some QB with upside[/I]" :confused?:... and that is a long term approach? No. That is wasting scouts' precious time at the expense of improving the other 95% of the roster, and likely a waste of a pick.

I'm sure they scouted QBs, but I'm glad that's not the only position they scouted, and they didn't just draft one to draft one.

RR and company have said it a million times, about taking a measured approach, not forcing anything, not mortgaging the future, etc. They have proven that through free agency, and I see nothing that changed that with this draft.

Did they draft needs? Of course they did. Every team did. That's why when it's a team's turn to draft, the analysts talk about what that team NEEDS, not who is their best player on the board.

For me, it's just nice to have grown men in charge for a change.[/quote]

Concur on grown men, and its okay to disagree, LOL.
In the end, only time will tell, and I hope every pick is a HOFer, LOL.

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[quote=Chico23231;1283194]Imagine thinking a 5th round pick and a selection of a 6th round LS would be considered “mortgaging the future” after a previous regime of Dan and Bruce completely botching multiple high round draft trades and having the unawareness to get value for Cousins/Trent

Scalper we have come a long long way…just a question, would you have been satisfied trading multiple first round picks as well as a couple mid round to pick up Fields?[/quote]

No, I think moving up would have been terrible, unless someone dropped to 14 or later and trading up was sane, i.e. didn't require any future first round picks. The QB I liked was Lance, outside of top-2 obviously.

Comparing to one of worst FOs in NFL history setting the bar awfully low, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

I stand by my mortgaging comment. A small mortgage is still a mortgage. What is so hard to understand about that? Trading a 5th next year for 6th and 7th this year is a bad trade, especially when the 6th is used to draft a LS. A LS! LOL, LOL, LOL. How can anyone defend this? We sacrificed higher draft capital next year for lower capital this year, that is mortgaging the future. And we made this decision to draft the lowest leverage player on the entire 53 man roster. This is not a move a good FO makes, even if the LS is a HOFer.

I would rather take a flyer on QB when we have no long-term answer, as opposed to drafting a LS when other LSs just as good can be signed off street, or instead of a 10th WR. Everyone acts like this expectation is ridiculous, it is not. While I don't view them as second coming of Montana, Ehlinger or Ramsey are two later round QBs with some potential, even at least to PS (Ehlinger drafted). Everyone cracks me up acting like I'm ridiculous expecting some effort be made to draft and develop a QB when we have NO long term answer. It is inexcusable to have the mediocrity we do at QB and not make at least one late round pick on a developmental QB, for the PS at minimum, period. Addressing QB doesn't have to mean trading a bunch of high picks to move up. NO WAY a real GM leaves QB unaddressed. Love RR, but he should not have GM powers, but this was only way we could get any decent coach because of THE DAN. RR wants Allen as QB3 period, and that's why we didn't take a QB, and it is a HORRIBLE decision.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1283387]Just based on what we saw last year Wright > AGG.



AGG didn't show us squat.[/QUOTE]



No doubt BUT i like AGG potential. Like Cam a couple years ago. And honestly we are stacked enough at WR now that i think we can roll the dice on our number 6. Wright is serviceable at best. And if i knew AGG was a bust id take serviceable but I dont know that yet.

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McLaurin, Samuel, Humphries, Brown, C Sims and then one of Harmon or AGG would be my guess. Sims and Wright probably gone and Milne to PS. Not sure if Harmon has PS eligibility but AGG does and they could go that route. I’d say AGG or Harmon over Wright because they know what they have in Wright and I don’t see him displacing the 1st 5 on this list. For the 6th slot (if you keep 6), they might be more inclined to focus on potential. They probably perceive a higher ceiling with Harmon and AGG but injuries have prevented us from seeing what that might be.


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Amazing how we can go from one wr to a logjam at who number 6 is goin to be in a matter of months.

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[quote=MTK;1283387]Just based on what we saw last year Wright > AGG.

AGG didn't show us squat.[/quote]

I'm going with McLaurin, Samuel, Brown, Harmon, Cam Sims and Humphries.

The rest haven't shown enough to keep around, except maybe 1 or 2 guys on the PS (AGG and Wright?).

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1283417]I'm going with McLaurin, Samuel, Brown, Harmon, Cam Sims and Humphries.

The rest haven't shown enough to keep around, except maybe 1 or 2 guys on the PS (AGG and Wright?).[/quote]

That sounds like the 6 we'll most likely keep to me.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1283417]I'm going with McLaurin, Samuel, Brown, Harmon, Cam Sims and Humphries.



The rest haven't shown enough to keep around, except maybe 1 or 2 guys on the PS (AGG and Wright?).[/QUOTE]I think this is what we will go with.

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Had heard that AGG was in danger after last year, but I don't think he makes it to the PS

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283423]Had heard that AGG was in danger after last year, but I don't think he makes it to the PS[/quote]

You mean he'll be picked up off waivers or that we won't bother?

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Picked of waivers I would imagine, former fourth round pick worthy of a WR6 position on many teams, it would surprise me if he made it to the PS

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1283400]Amazing how we can go from one wr to a logjam at who number 6 is goin to be in a matter of months.[/QUOTE]Good point ! And like you said about our DL squad : good problem to have !

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[quote=Chico23231;1283197]Scalper, Cliff notes version not war & peace

Gen x-ers remember[/quote]

LOL.
The death of literacy, even conceding I can be a wee bit long winded. :-)

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[quote=MTK;1283387]Just based on what we saw last year Wright > AGG.

AGG didn't show us squat.[/quote]

Tough to know on AGG. He was on IR much of year. I mean you obviously have to be healthy, but RR and company selected him fairly high, 4th round. Do you give up a fairly high pick so soon? Sometimes yeah, especially if he started all year and sucked, but he was hurt. Not saying we should or shouldn't cut him, but that it is a very interesting question.

It is also interesting to ask if any of these WRs have PS eligibility, though I doubt Golden clears waivers if healthy. Some team would nab him as WR #6.

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We took Giants pick:

Dave Gettleman said on NFL Network that the two players they were looking at when they traded down were Kadarius Toney & LB Jamin Davis who Washington took at 19.

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I had not realized it before, [B]but the Jets drafted TWO guys named Michael Carter.[/B] One from North Carolina and one from Duke!


[url]https://www.newyorkjets.com/draft/[/url]

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I can see this page being an active link on the Jets home page:

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Carter[/url]

;)

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1283353]Agree 100.

This dude will have a huge impact on the offense. Sprinkle being on the field was a huge tell and was no threat.

This guy can help in the run game immensely and catch an 8 yard pass in the flat. Truly a dual threat.

Prediction: he will play considerable snaps for a 4th round pick.[/quote]

Yeah, hearing the Cooley breakdown and now Marcus Baugh released…. I think they really are confident he can be TE2.

Watching the clips he seems pretty damn athletic.

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Yeah, I don't think Bates was a reach at all to the WFT staff.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1283566]Yeah, I don't think Bates was a reach at all to the WFT staff.[/quote]

Their read on it might be right. I keep hearing how hard it is to find TEs that are ready to be blockers in the NFL. It actually seems easier to find the pass catching / route running type.

Bates demonstrated he can block, and the team seems to believe he's a pretty good pass catching threat too. If he can do some of both successfully he'll have been worth the 4th rounder.

Nothing sucks worse than having a TE on the field who tips your hand as to whether you're putting him out in a route. Too easy for the defense to figure out what you're doing pre snap.

We'll see.

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Losing Sprinkle and Baugh also bodes well for Sammis Reyes' chances of making the team.

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After last years result with Logan Thomas I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt

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Reyes was given a three year deal with gaurantees, he is going to make the team regardless

[Edit] having checked OTC, they aren't very big guarantees so maybe not quite a lock

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283572]Reyes was given a three year deal with gaurantees, he is going to make the team regardless

[Edit] having checked OTC, they aren't very big guarantees so maybe not quite a lock[/quote]

He definitely will be with us at least 2 years, whether it's on practice squad or roster because it will take Reyes more than 1 year to develop as TE considering the fact that he has no football experience. We moved very quickly to sign him and even threw in the guarantees, I think that is a sign that WFT believes in Reyes's potentials.

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[quote=GridIron26;1283586]He definitely will be with us at least 2 years, whether it's on practice squad or roster because it will take Reyes more than 1 year to develop as TE considering the fact that he has no football experience. We moved very quickly to sign him and even threw in the guarantees, I think that is a sign that WFT believes in Reyes's potentials.[/quote]

If, and it is a big if, he has the same potential as Gates did, there's no reason he can't be on the roster come season start. Gates didn't explode until his 2nd season but he showed enough in limited action his first season to give everyone pause for thought.

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Wonder if Reyes would be safe on PS given how many teams were chasing his signature, look at some of the TE rooms around the league

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1283607]Wonder if Reyes would be safe on PS given how many teams were chasing his signature, look at some of the TE rooms around the league[/quote]

Likely not, there was a lot of interest in him. Ron pounced first.

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Probably just a ST/depth move, but I HATE our 5th round pick tackling technique: [URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-safety-darrick-forrest?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Mark Bullock Darrick Forrest breakdown[/URL]

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[URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-de-william-bradley-king?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]7th round pick Bradley-King[/URL] seems to have a lot of potential, displays good effort, good depth move

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One of the good surprise with [URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-does-unc-wr-dyami-brown-bring?r=fd8sn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy"]Dyami Brown[/URL] is his run blocking abilities !