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It makes sense that with only 3 RBs it was to keep 7 WRs, they must really like Dax Milne and very confident of getting Barber back on the Practice Squad

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C Keith Ismael cut per this live tracker

[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-cuts-tracker-2021-live-roster-news-updates/rf92v62u69ff1np667olro1nw[/url]

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John Keim
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In checking the list, Washington also waived LBs Jared Norris and David Mayo. Both were special teams players mostly. That leaves them with 4 LBs. That's a low figure. Can't imagine it stays that way.

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So as far as the 2nd string LBs go it seems Ron and JDR did actually see the same games we were watching.. interesting to see what happens now

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1288625]John Keim
@john_keim
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2m
In checking the list, Washington also waived LBs Jared Norris and David Mayo. Both were special teams players mostly. That leaves them with 4 LBs. That's a low figure. Can't imagine it stays that way.[/quote]

Zero chance they get down to four LBs (including one rookie) without having a plan already in motion to add there at the same time. I would expect news soon regarding a LB signing - or two.

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Final cuts

From multiple sources

3:45

LB Jared Norris
LB David Mayo
OL Beau Benzschawel
C Keith Ismael
DL Gabe Wright
DL Daniel Wise
WR AGG
RB Peyton Barber
G Wes Martin
DE Bunmi Rotimi
OT David Sharpe
CB Jimmy Moreland - released injured
S Jeremy Reaves
OT David Steinmetz
DE William Bradley-King (@john_keim 1st)
CB Danny Johnson
LB Jordan Kunaszyk
QB Steven Montez
RB Jonathan Williams
WR Isaiah Wright
WR Tony Brown
TE Caleb Wilson
OL Jon Toth
DL Devaroe Lawrence
LB Joe Walker
CB Linden Stephens
S Cole Luke

1 QB 6 OL 3 WR 2 RB 1 TE
5 DL 4 LB 3CB 2 S

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288628]Zero chance they get down to four LBs (including one rookie) without having a plan already in motion to add there at the same time. I would expect news soon regarding a LB signing - or two.[/quote]

I think it speaks volumes to the weakness of the LB group that half were cut. I agree, they have to be bringing in someone, KJ Wright still seems like the obvious target.

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Our LB’s were bad last year and our defense was great. Davis is an obvious upgrade. Our secondary is better so that should help. Im not overly worried. It will be addressed this coming off season for sure. Possibly a slight upgrade with someone out there now for this season. WFT wasn’t built in a day.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1288621]It makes sense that with only 3 RBs it was to keep 7 WRs, they must really like Dax Milne and very confident of getting Barber back on the Practice Squad[/QUOTE]


I dont think Barber is eligible for practice squad is he?

Nevermind i forgot about the covid rules.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288631]I think it speaks volumes to the weakness of the LB group that half were cut. I agree, they have to be bringing in someone, KJ Wright still seems like the obvious target.[/quote]

I wonder whether Benardrick McKinney and Jordan Hicks are seen as options

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Jahlani Tavai anyone?

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[quote=punch it in;1288637]Jahlani Tavai anyone?[/quote]

had to look this guy up.

2019 2R by Detroit .. got a 32.1 PFF grade. Honestly Ive never seen anything lower than mid 40s ... I know nothing about the guy.

A year ago, sure bring on the young guys, keep an eye on the future.

This year? I thinks its who can help the most this year.

Like keeping 30 year old journeyman Larsen over Ismael.

We want to win now.

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They might be considering Shaka Toney at LB as well.

[quote]So, I think Toney will become a SAM LB for us and be used some as an EDGE in nickle to spell Young/Sweat.

He did work out at the Senior Bowl as an Off-the-Ball LB, so I see that what he plays if he hopes to make the 53 man roster.

If he indeed does slot in at SAM, this is a really solid 7th round pick! - Mark Tyler[/quote]

[quote]He scored a 9.92 Relative Athletic Score out of a possible 10.0. RAS is a composite metric on a 0 to 10 scale based on the average of all of the percentile for each of the metrics the player completed either at the Combine or pro day. This rated 17 out of 2156 LBs from 1987 to 2021.[/quote]

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[quote=SunnySide;1288638]had to look this guy up.

2019 2R by Detroit .. got a 32.1 PFF grade. Honestly Ive never seen anything lower than mid 40s ... I know nothing about the guy.

A year ago, sure bring on the young guys, keep an eye on the future.

This year? I thinks its who can help the most this year.

Like keeping 30 year old journeyman Larsen over Ismael.

We want to win now.[/quote]

They are only in year 2, still building, next year depending if they get their QB, is where the window opens and Win Now becomes a factor

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288640]They might be considering Shaka Toney at LB as well.[/quote]

JDR did say they were cross training him at LB and his build is prototypical LB, same size as Jamin. Plus Toney is said to be fast for his size

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1288638]had to look this guy up.

2019 2R by Detroit .. got a 32.1 PFF grade. Honestly Ive never seen anything lower than mid 40s ... I know nothing about the guy.

A year ago, sure bring on the young guys, keep an eye on the future.

This year? I thinks its who can help the most this year.

Like keeping 30 year old journeyman Larsen over Ismael.

We want to win now.[/QUOTE]


It was 61.6 in 2019. Not that I consider pff grades the end all be all.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1288642]JDR did say they were cross training him at LB and his build is prototypical LB, same size as Jamin. Plus Toney is said to be fast for his size[/QUOTE]


I’d also note, FWIW, that he’s #58 - the other D linemen are all in the 90s. All LBs in the 50s. Just sayin’.


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I'm not judging the coaching staff on the cuts until I see the PS signings. I'd be surprised if AGG clears waivers but even more surprised if he then didn't get a PS spot. Moreland too, though I don't know how the injury designation affects things. Given our need to bolster our run defence I wouldn't be at odds with going after Wright (and losing Apke in the process).

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Did Troy fucking Apke make the team again??? He must be a super likable guy because he sucks at football.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1288655]Did Troy fucking Apke make the team again??? He must be a super likable guy because he sucks at football.[/QUOTE]Rivera called him a luxury and one of the best ST players in the league.

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My under the radar surprise non-cut is DL Casey Toohill, none of us talked about him possibly making the team.

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And we're focused on [I]Apke vs Moreland[/I] because we wanted the former cut and the later kept, but maybe Moreland's cut has more to do with what they think of [I]Darryl Roberts[/I]. McTyer was a near lock in my mind, but I had questions about Roberts, he made somenice physical plays in PS wk3, maybe they'd like his size and potential to play outside over Moreland's skills as a slot CB.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288631]I think it speaks volumes to the weakness of the LB group that half were cut. I agree, they have to be bringing in someone, KJ Wright still seems like the obvious target.[/quote]

Yeah Mayo, Norris and Kunaszyk were slow AF, sub par jags.

I'm kinda torn: I'm glad they cut them all, it means they know they have to bring in better guys... but then I'm like, we were all screaming "sign a quality vet LB" all offseason, why are they realizing it now ?
Who ever the new LBs will be, they could've used the reps in camp...

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[URL="https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/1432860686732992514"]Apke's ST play in preseason[/URL]

Yeah sure he's doing his job. Is this really worth more than a quality slot CB that can play outside and might start somewhere else ? I mean we're gonna have a rookie CB in our nickel package... and he looked good but we could have used the security blanket.

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Well any player would want to be in that over in the signing on the having on a winning SB contender on it there.

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[QUOTE=JPPT1974;1288664]Well any player would want to be in that over in the signing on the having on a winning SB contender on it there.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1288656]Rivera called him a luxury and one of the best ST players in the league.

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As long as he never plays a snap on D thats fine. He better ball out on ST’s.

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Apke was in on 42% of the defensive snaps last year. He's likely the 5th corner out of 6 on this depth chart. My guess is he'll see field less as a corner this year, than he did at safety last year...unless there are injuries of course.

It's odd to see a safety turned into a corner. I'm used to seeing it the other way around - usually later in a corner's career.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1288670]Apke was in on 42% of the defensive snaps last year. He's likely the 5th corner out of 6 on this depth chart. My guess is he'll see field less as a corner this year, than he did at safety last year...unless there are injuries of course.



It's odd to see a safety turned into a corner. I'm used to seeing it the other way around - usually later in a corner's career.[/QUOTE]Fuller, WJ3, St Juste, McTyer, Darryl Roberts... I don't see Apke playing much on defense (unless, of course, injuries).

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[quote=JPPT1974;1288664]Well any player would want to be in that over in the signing on the having on a winning SB contender on it there.[/quote]

Ow my brain.

As for Apke I'm gonna take a stab and say he's one of those guys who works hard but isn't athletically gifted. So yeah his play might never be good but his work ethic keeps him around.

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We need to think of Apke as a ST player in the same way we think of K P and LS. If he sees the field on defense then it is because four other guys are out injured.

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You simply can not put Apke in at corner ever. That is the dumbest thing to do ever.

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We do not have quality depth on this team. A couple injuries could be back breaking.

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I disagree. Your "depth" players are just that. You can’t expect that your 5th/6th CB will come in and ball out. They are special teamers that can hopefully play the position in a pinch if there’s an injury or someone needs a blow. This is our "depth". LB is the obvious position of need. Other than that I would say we are sitting pretty damn good.

QB Taylor Heinicke
QB Kyle Allen

RB Jaret Patterson

WR Dyami Brown
WR Cam Sims
WR Dax Milne
WR DeAndre Carter

TE John Bates
TE Sammis Reyes
TE Ricky Seals-Jones

OT Cornelius Lucas
OT Saahdiq Charles
C Tyler Larsen
G Wes Schweitzer

DE Casey Toohill
DE Shaka Toney (LB)
DE James Smith-Williams

DT Matt Ioannidis
DT Tim Settle

LB Khaleke Hudson

CB Torry McTyer
CB Troy Apke
CB Darryl Roberts

S Bobby McCain
S Darrick Forrest
S Deshazor Everett

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1288688]I disagree. Your "depth" players are just that. You can’t expect that your 5th/6th CB will come in and ball out. They are special teamers that can hopefully play the position in a pinch if there’s an injury or someone needs a blow. This is our "depth". LB is the obvious position of need. Other than that I would say we are sitting pretty damn good.

QB Taylor Heinicke
QB Kyle Allen

RB Jaret Patterson

WR Dyami Brown
WR Cam Sims
WR Dax Milne
WR DeAndre Carter

TE John Bates
TE Sammis Reyes
TE Ricky Seals-Jones

OT Cornelius Lucas
OT Saahdiq Charles
C Tyler Larsen
G Wes Schweitzer

DE Casey Toohill
DE Shaka Toney (LB)
DE James Smith-Williams

DT Matt Ioannidis
DT Tim Settle

LB Khaleke Hudson

CB Torry McTyer
CB Troy Apke
CB Darryl Roberts

S Bobby McCain
S Darrick Forrest
S Deshazor Everett[/quote]

Yeah a part from LB (and we're obviously going to sign some very soon), I'd say we have very good depth.

I'm actually surprised to feel that good about our OL depth, the guys in at G in that 3rd game were just unwatchable, glad they're cut, but [I][U]Lucas[/U][/I] is a very high quality back up T, [I][U]Charles[/U][/I] has taken some nice strides and can play pretty much any where on the line, and [I][U]Schweitzer[/U][/I] showed he could start at both G positions.
Not sure what [I][U]Tyler Larsen[/U][/I] but he was our number 2 center all pre-season and I didn't see anything glaringly ridiculous (a part maybe a pretty shameful stumble in PS week 3).

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1288676]We need to think of Apke as a ST player in the same way we think of K P and LS. If he sees the field on defense then it is because four other guys are out injured.[/quote]

I agree. He's a ST player only but a very good one. His roster spot was a gift to the ST coach.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1288684]We do not have quality depth on this team. A couple injuries could be back breaking.[/QUOTE]No team has super depth. I think we have good depth except for LB's. Our Dline is probably one of the deepest in the league. IF we have to use a backup QB, I think we will get consistent performance.

I actually think our depth overall, especially with the degree of versatility our roster has, could take a few injuries and still perform. In a 17 game season, that will be critical.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1288684]We do not have quality depth on this team. A couple injuries could be back breaking.[/QUOTE]


Every team is a couple key injuries away from being in trouble. Outside of lb and maybe TE I dont think depth is a real issue.

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[QUOTE=JPPT1974;1288664]Well any player would want to be in that over in the signing on the having on a winning SB contender on it there.[/QUOTE]


There was a poster a couple years ago that used to speak this language alot. Can’t remember his screen name?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288693]No team has super depth. I think we have good depth except for LB's. Our Dline is probably one of the deepest in the league. IF we have to use a backup QB, I think we will get consistent performance.

I actually think our depth overall, especially with the degree of versatility our roster has, could take a few injuries and still perform. In a 17 game season, that will be critical.

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Yep I agree with this