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I was looking at our teams pass coverage stats: [url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2021_advanced.htm[/url]

WJ3 is playing pretty well. 50% completion passage. Yds/comp is a bit higher than I would like. Don't know average for a no. 1.

Collins does not look like a liability in pass protection but once they catch the ball his missed tackle rate? ooph

Bostic, Holcomb and Curl got to step up. Those underneath routes are killing us.

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We need to find a QB.

Yes the defense still needs help. It’s really criminal we sit back during free agency and look for good deals instead of getting a LB or a free safety who can contribute.

Will Ron hold some of these players accountable on defense and bench them? Move Collins to the bench and play Curl their. Play McCain at free. Just get Bostic off the field and play the rook their all the time to get experience.

Turner offense to me isn’t my favorite. I’d like to move to a zone blocking run scheme. And play more 12 personnel while still mixing in 3 wide sets. We don’t even use a second boundary WR effectively

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Battle for Number one pick…
Jets,Giants,Lions,Football team..

How many of players could start for a top tier team ?
Offense .. Terry,Scherff,maybe Thomas,Gibson
Defense… Allen, Young,Sweat,Payne ????
We have a great punter !!! 😀

What coaches do we have that would be sought after ??
We Are bad like maybe the potential to be the Worst Washington team in modern history .. the sky is indeed falling ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1292592]Battle for Number one pick…
Jets,Giants,Lions,Football team..

How many of players could start for a top tier team ?
Offense .. Terry,Scherff,maybe Thomas,Gibson
Defense… Allen, Young,Sweat,Payne ????
We have a great punter !!! [emoji3]

What coaches do we have that would be sought after ??
We Are bad like maybe the potential to be the Worst Washington team in modern history .. the sky is indeed falling ..[/QUOTE]


The division sucks so that will make us look better than we really are.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1292591]We need to find a QB.

Yes the defense still needs help. It’s really criminal we sit back during free agency and look for good deals instead of getting a LB or a free safety who can contribute.

Will Ron hold some of these players accountable on defense and bench them? Move Collins to the bench and play Curl their. Play McCain at free. Just get Bostic off the field and play the rook their all the time to get experience.

Turner offense to me isn’t my favorite. I’d like to move to a zone blocking run scheme. And play more 12 personnel while still mixing in 3 wide sets. We don’t even use a second boundary WR effectively[/QUOTE]


Bostic is so fucking bad that him starting alone is a fireable offense for RR and JDR. You have to put someone else in there. It literally cannot be worse.

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1292592]Battle for Number one pick…
Jets,Giants,Lions,Football team..

How many of players could start for a top tier team ?
Offense .. Terry,Scherff,maybe Thomas,Gibson
Defense… Allen, Young,Sweat,Payne ????
We have a great punter !!! [emoji3]

What coaches do we have that would be sought after ??
We Are bad like maybe the potential to be the Worst Washington team in modern history .. the sky is indeed falling ..[/QUOTE]


I would put Jacksonville in there too.

Thomas would absolutely start almost anywhere else he is not a maybe.

I dont think quarterback is coming thru the draft next year, and honestly with this staff it is impossible to pinpoint the problem areas on the field. They make everything look like a problem. We are in deep doo doo for the foreseeable future.

We most definitely need a quarterback, k, two linebackers, a corner, a safety, and a LT. Also a new staff. That is for certain.

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[quote=punch it in;1292595]Bostic is so fucking bad that him starting alone is a fireable offense for RR and JDR. You have to put someone else in there. It literally cannot be worse.[/quote]

Bostic 85.7% completion rate against and a allowed QB rating of 98.2. Awful

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Good

- pass pro
- Antonio Gibson
- Scherff not being injured long term
- interested to see some grades on Cosmi
- OL discipline. no false starts? I think 1 holding?
- Cheeseman with another game he didnt have his name called. Good job so far
- Terry McLaurin

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[quote=punch it in;1292596]I would put Jacksonville in there too.

Thomas would absolutely start almost anywhere else he is not a maybe.

I dont think quarterback is coming thru the draft next year, and honestly with this staff it is impossible to pinpoint the problem areas on the field. They make everything look like a problem. We are in deep doo doo for the foreseeable future.

We most definitely need a quarterback, k, two linebackers, a corner, a safety, and a LT. Also a new staff. That is for certain.[/quote]

Ron and company probably are the best that are coming here so get use to them. Maybe switch out JDR but no one and i mean no one is like i really want that WFT job i hope RR gets fired so i can scoop it up.

At this point how you don't make a play on Watson is beyond me; even if he sits a year he is 25 plenty of life in him, then you start building around him.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292569]Oh I agree that they were crowned elite talent without having proved it. But the talent level on this roster, what we've seen some of them do, is not as atrociously bad as this D is playing.

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While I believe it is true, they can play better, but only if they are playing a below average NFL QB. If they have to play a top 10 QB that has weapons they are simply not capable of shutting down that offense or QB. That seems to be the track record for this group.

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[quote=punch it in;1292595]Bostic is so fucking bad that him starting alone is a fireable offense for RR and JDR. You have to put someone else in there. [B]It literally cannot be worse[/B].[/quote]

Have you not been paying attention the last thirty years? j/k (kinda)

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[quote=rocnrik;1292592]Battle for Number one pick…
Jets,Giants,Lions,Football team..

How many of players could start for a top tier team ?
Offense .. Terry,Scherff,maybe Thomas,Gibson
Defense… Allen, Young,Sweat,Payne ????
We have a great punter !!! 😀

What coaches do we have that would be sought after ??
We Are bad like maybe the potential to be the Worst Washington team in modern history .. the sky is indeed falling ..[/quote]


Three games in and we're talking about the number 1 pick in the draft. LOL

They have lost two games to arguably the two best teams in the AFC. The defense looks terrible at times, yes, but there's a lot of time left to right the ship folks.

It's like comedy hour(s) on here after a loss. I feel like everyone expected this team to start the season 3-0 or something. Stop it.

The sky is falling... dumpster fire... bottom feeders...

I call :bs:

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[quote=skinsfan69;1292600]While I believe it is true, they can play better, but only if they are playing a below average NFL QB. If they have to play a top 10 QB that has weapons they are simply not capable of shutting down that offense or QB. That seems to be the track record for this group.[/quote]

Which basically means we don't have shit unless the league splits us in to a lower tier and we are the NFL B Champs.

For the record the NFC East is pretty much the B division and we suck there too.

We can say it until we are blue in the face until Dan walks this franchise will always suck.

Just look at the last decade we have had great coaches and a QB1; all have left and we are still the shit show we have always been.

Frustrating.

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One question, why did CY drop in coverage. That was crazy but I saw it a few times.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292602]Three games in and we're talking about the number 1 pick in the draft. LOL

They have lost two games to arguably the two best teams in the AFC. The defense looks terrible at times, yes, but there's a lot of time left to right the ship folks.

It's like comedy hour(s) on here after a loss. I feel like everyone expected this team to start the season 3-0 or something. Stop it.

The sky is falling... dumpster fire... bottom feeders...

I call :bs:[/quote]

The Giants win was a gift.

Yesterday was embarrassing; easily could have been 43 to nothing if not for 2 plays to get us 14. Understand Bills are good and i can be happy with a competitive loss but yesterday was two teams at two very different levels of play.

SD was our best game so far.


The D has looked like complete poop and TH as our starter i can understand folks chicken little attitude.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1292604]One question, why did CY drop in coverage. That was crazy but I saw it a few times.

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To confuse the Bills, it worked like a charm.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292602]Three games in and we're talking about the number 1 pick in the draft. LOL

They have lost two games to arguably the two best teams in the AFC. The defense looks terrible at times, yes, but there's a lot of time left to right the ship folks.

It's like comedy hour(s) on here after a loss. I feel like everyone expected this team to start the season 3-0 or something. Stop it.

The sky is falling... dumpster fire... bottom feeders...

I call :bs:[/quote]

I'm with you. A win against ATL and we're 2-2 and still right in the thick of things at this point. Are there a lot of issues that need cleaning up right now? Absolutely. But there's still a ton of football to go.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1292604]One question, why did CY drop in coverage. That was crazy but I saw it a few times.

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Saw that to. In the 2nd half Del Rio tried showing different looks. A bit too late and didnt seem to throw Allen off.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1292604]One question, why did CY drop in coverage. That was crazy but I saw it a few times.

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Defensive ends do that all the time. Especially if they are athletic enough, and he is.

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Josh Allen did what he wanted yesterday, just like Jones and Herbert the weeks before.. Yeah it's only 3 games but some things can not be fixed during a season, it appears our defense will be the Achilles heel.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292611]Defensive ends do that all the time. Especially if they are athletic enough, and he is.[/quote]

But were they "Bullshitting" him?

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What is most concerning is we are getting worse. Our best game was against the Chargers - a damn good team and we were right there, then we get lucky against a terrible team, and then we get our barn doors blown off. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaches I don’t know what is. They seemingly cannot even identify the issues let alone fix them.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1292602]Three games in and we're talking about the number 1 pick in the draft. LOL

They have lost two games to arguably the two best teams in the AFC. The defense looks terrible at times, yes, but there's a lot of time left to right the ship folks.

It's like comedy hour(s) on here after a loss. I feel like everyone expected this team to start the season 3-0 or something. Stop it.

The sky is falling... dumpster fire... bottom feeders...

I call :bs:[/quote]

It's not about the record. It's not about the score. It's about the how.
Don't tell me you're not infuriated by how atrocious this D is right now. This elite DL is not getting any pressure, our LBs are who we thought they were, our secondary can't cover and we can't get off the field on 3rd down.

We could be 0 and 3 after 3 close games lost because of close calls/last minute turnovers, and I wouldn't be that worried.
I just don't see how we win 3 more games with how bad they are playing.

Ok, it's a week to week league and they have time to turn things around, but we are talking about a massive turn around even to become averagely bad.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1292604]One question, why did CY drop in coverage. That was crazy but I saw it a few times.

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Well he can't rush the passer so might as well have him try and cover.

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[quote=mooby;1292541]You would get respect here if you showed up at times when WFT doesn't take the L.[/quote]

C'mon man. You gotta give me more credit than that. I did not post after the WC loss to TB last season. I did not post after your week 1 loss to LAC. I did not post when NYG gave away the game.

I did not post with green eggs and ham. I did not post Sam I am.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1292617]C'mon man. You gotta give me more credit than that. I did not post after the WC loss to TB last season. I did not post after your week 1 loss to LAC. I did not post when NYG gave away the game.

I did not post with green eggs and ham. I did not post Sam I am.[/quote]

Sandtrapp - posting on here an hour after this kind of loss ... youre just trolling and enjoying our misery. If you posted on here mid to late last year when the Boys season was done and we were winning the NFC east, okay cool. But you didnt.

poor form man

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1292615]It's not about the record. It's not about the score. It's about the how.
Don't tell me you're not infuriated by how atrocious this D is right now. This elite DL is not getting any pressure, our LBs are who we thought they were, our secondary can't cover and we can't get off the field on 3rd down.

We could be 0 and 3 after 3 close games lost because of close calls/last minute turnovers, and I wouldn't be that worried.
I just don't see how we win 3 more games with how bad they are playing.

Ok, it's a week to week league and they have time to turn things around, but we are talking about a massive turn around even to become averagely bad.[/quote]

I'm not infuriated.

We have a QB that has started 3 NFL games, and a defense that can only get better. Yesterday's loss was ugly, but my expectations are to still win this Division, and see what happens in the post season.

WAY too early to throw in the towel.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292613]But were they "Bullshitting" him?[/quote]

:confused?:

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1292584]I have to agree. While I think we were over rated as a possible top 5 def team, we def were not this bad. We have regressed sooooo much from last year to this, with most of the same personel. Our front was consistently getting pressure last year. This year, with the same dl, absolutely 0 pressure. I can't crown them the best dl ever....but they def are playing under their ceiling from what I saw last year.
Also...I don't know what we have in heineke. I think yesterday was more of what he would be as a regular full time starter. But we also have to agree that he is leaps and bounds above our qb situation the last 2 or 3 years. Again....we are no offensive juggernaut, but we have more talent than what has been displayed this year. I don't know what the answers are...but it def seems like coaching and scheme to me. It almost feels like we are playing to lose. Very very strange to see improved personel on the field and upgraded positional players (minus lb, and rt) to degrade so much. It's like they are just going through the motions so they don't have to worry about the game in 3.5 hrs.
[B]I was skeptical about rr's record....but welcomed the culture change....but I'm wondering if that has even happened, or if it was all smoke and mirrors preaching discipline and change...cause at this point, it doesn't seem like it was really really real at all.[/B][/quote]

Agree. For someone who preached preparation it seems like this team isn't prepared to play. Last year with Covid shortened off-season there was an excuse but this year they have had all the OTLs and training camp but WFT still doesn't look remotely prepared.

If it makes anyone feel better it took RR three season to produce a winning record in Carolina. The downside of that is he had one of the best young QBs in the NFL, he doesn't have anything close to that here.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1292567]Is it too early for a 2022 draft thread? smh[/quote]

If we lose to the Falcons I'll fire one up.

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Few positives from yesterday's loss:

- Daron Payne had a career high 11 pressures
- Sam Cosmi had the highest pass blocking grade of his career at 82.5

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1292627]Few positives from yesterday's loss:

- Daron Payne had a career high 11 pressures
- Sam Cosmi had the highest pass blocking grade of his career at 82.5[/quote]

Nice ... I honestly didnt notice Payne or any collapsing pockets yesterday.

I also dont remember hearing Cosmi's name called which is a good thing for OL guys usually. Same for Leno, Flowers, Roullier and Scherff.

OL has been our best unit with the RB duo.

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Multiple picks should have been spent on linebackers. And not guys in the 7th they might try to turn into one.

Instead we drafted Forrest in the 5th and a longsnapper in the 6th. And we also traded away a 5th round pick in 2022 to add the longsnapper and some 7th round picks.

Even with spending a 1st round pick, what they did this offseason for the LB room was criminal. Nothing is fixing that room in pass coverage. They simply aren't good enough. So the middle of the field is always going to be easy money.

Davis is starting to flash, Holcomb is decent, and the rest is ass.

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Bills offensive coordinator Brian Daboll stayed ahead of his Washington counterpart, defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio, all day, with his formations beating Del Rio’s coverages. Worse, Daboll’s unit was light years ahead of Del Rio’s in on-field execution, starting with converting a third-and-15 on Buffalo’s first drive — which started the Bills toward a touchdown on their first possession, marking the third straight game Washington’s defense has given up seven on the first series. Again, Washington couldn’t get off the field when it mattered; again, the front four that got so much hype coming into the season didn’t lay a glove on the quarterback.

Buffalo was 9 of 15 on third down Sunday. Through three weeks this season, teams are a collective 27 of 46 (.587) on that down against Washington. Per StatMuse, the worst single-season third-down percentage allowed is .567 by the Saints in 2011.

That isn’t a red alert; that’s Defcon Zero.

The Athletic

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When they converted the 3rd and 15 right off the bat I pretty much knew then the game was over.

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[quote=MTK;1292638]When they converted the 3rd and 15 right off the bat I pretty much knew then the game was over.[/quote]

Are you talking about the first Bills drive?

I thought the same thing if so.

I thought to myself "Jesus you come out get two good stops and a plenty set them up for a long 3rd down the DL should be able to pin their ears back in that situation and next play Bills are punting", but NOPE.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1292611]Defensive ends do that all the time. Especially if they are athletic enough, and he is.[/QUOTE]I know they do, but I hadn't seen CY do it and he looked lost in the one play that stuck out.

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yeah after they started 7-0 with literally ease, we were done

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[QUOTE=MTK;1292638]When they converted the 3rd and 15 right off the bat I pretty much knew then the game was over.[/QUOTE]

Was this the 3rd down where the Bills o-lineman was behind Jon Allen and had his arm hooked around his neck?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1292643]Was this the 3rd down where the Bills o-lineman was behind Jon Allen and had his arm hooked around his neck?

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YEP!

That non-call pissed me off, especially after they called that ticky tack offensive pass interference penalty on WFTs first series.