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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295114]Just like the QB situation, instead of drafting a QB this yr or last yr he ignores it and bring in Fitzmagic to be the guy... Dude is a 38 YO backup for a reason. Yeah hes fun to watch at times and I was hoping he'd work put but it didn't. Now you are back to square one , Heineke is a solid QB2 that's it[/quote]

They have totally mismanaged the QB position.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1295125]They have totally mismanaged the QB position.[/quote]

They tried for Stafford and missed.

Fitz was about the only reasonable option out there as a 1 year vet placeholder. Someone who could possibly open up the playbook a bit more, give us a bottom end but legit starting QB.

Fitz gets injured and its trying to scrap together a game plan with flawed non-legit starter Qb talent.

Skins have mismanaged the QB position for decades but looking at just this offseason and the options available to them .. Fitz was the best of a bunch of less than desirable options.

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Lattimore followed McLaurin all day long man to man from what I saw. He wasn't playing that stupid ass zone shit. McLaurin had 4 catches for 46.

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[quote=SunnySide;1295126]They tried for Stafford and missed.

Fitz was about the only reasonable option out there as a 1 year vet placeholder. Someone who could possibly open up the playbook a bit more, give us a bottom end but legit starting QB.

Fitz gets injured and its trying to scrap together a game plan with flawed non-legit starter Qb talent.

Skins have mismanaged the QB position for decades but looking at just this offseason and the options available to them .. Fitz was the best of a bunch of less than desirable options.[/quote]

True but IMO you draft a QB every single year. That is what Bobby B did most of the time cause it is the most important position on the field. I don't care who you have you have to draft guys and put them in your system. Right now you have Wilson who is a 3rd rounder and then you have Cousins and Prescott as 4th rounders as starters. Not every one of them is a first rounder picked in the top 10.

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a couple balls were behind Terry, he is probably dying for a legit passer

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[quote=skinsfan69;1295128]True but IMO you draft a QB every single year. That is what Bobby B did most of the time cause it is the most important position on the field. I don't care who you have you have to draft guys and put them in your system. Right now you have Wilson who is a 3rd rounder and then you have Cousins and Prescott as 4th rounders as starters. Not every one of them is a first rounder picked in the top 10.[/quote]

Yep I agree 100%, if you don't have a QB you need to draft one until u do

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295129]a couple balls were behind Terry, he is probably dying for a legit passer[/quote]

I think this is the first game where I could visibly see the frustration on Terry's face, and it had everything to do with the ball not being placed properly - over and over.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1295131]I think this is the first game where I could visibly see the frustration on Terry's face, and it had everything to do with the ball not being placed properly - over and over.[/quote]

yeah i noticed that too.. Heineke was straight ass yesterday

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295118]If this team goes 5-12 do u fire Ron? I think u really have to consider it.[/quote]

Then everyone will be saying the same thing about Danny, he’s impatient an asshole. NO, Danny stuck with him at least another year, one thing I would see is a major trade of our DL.

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[quote=punch it in;1295077]I will admit Heineken is probably not the guy when you admit Rivera probably isn’t either. Lol[/quote]

I'm starting to buy in Punch.

The same mistakes over and over, week in week out - through five weeks, with no apparent accountability... It's either the coaching, or this roster is light years worse than everyone thought. I actually fear it might be both.

The eternal optimist in me has no more answers. I don't think this team can win with this defense AND Heinicke as the QB. The two are a bad combination. I need to see some real changes soon, or I'll have to start making tee times for Sundays.

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13- 13 game, 2nd quarter

4th and 10 from your opponents 35

53 yard field goal

RR didnt trust Hopkins, went for it, didnt make it, turnover on downs

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1295138]Then everyone will be saying the same thing about Danny, he’s impatient an asshole. NO, Danny stuck with him at least another year, one thing I would see is a major trade of our DL.[/quote]

The thing is, would you trade a 1st right now for CY? I don't

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[quote=SunnySide;1295140]13- 13 game, 2nd quarter

4th and 10 from your opponents 35

53 yard field goal

RR didnt trust Hopkins, went for it, didnt make it, turnover on downs[/quote]

I mean, does he really have a reason to trust Hopkins with a 53 yard FG? If he misses, you give them the ball on the 43. I wasn't a big fan of the call though. If he doesn't trust Hopkins they should have tried to pin them back with a punt. Hindsight is easy though. If they convert, we're all applauding his aggressiveness.

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WFT Twitter is saying there was 2 Huge W Logo statues at the stadium yesterday.. That must mean the W is here to stay which is awesome because its a great logo.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBW-lGfXMAMtWuq?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]

here is one

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McLaurin def had some bad balls. He is as professional as it gets but at the end of the game I think he had had enough.

I know Allen isn't our savior but I'd give him some reps this week.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1295131]I think this is the first game where I could visibly see the frustration on Terry's face, and it had everything to do with the ball not being placed properly - over and over.[/quote]

I saw the same thing.

It's excusable when your qb is getting pressured repeatedly every play - but there were plays yesterday where Heinicke got out of the pocket, bought some time, and then threw a terrible pass. Underthrown or misplaced ball - one of his interceptions the defender was screening him the entire time - it doesn't bode well for his future as a starter.

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Just crazy to me where I strongly believe both the dline and Oline where dominant and we lose and lose bad

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[quote=skinsfan69;1295145]McLaurin def had some bad balls. He is as professional as it gets but at the end of the game I think he had had enough.

I know Allen isn't our savior but I'd give him some reps this week.[/quote]

Honestly it's tough, but I think the Heinicke experiment should be over. There's probably a reason why he was the backup on an XFL team last year. I think I would rather see Kyle Allen in there if he is healthy. He may not have the legs that TH has, but at least he's not going to try to give the other team the ball as often.

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[quote=SunnySide;1295140]13- 13 game, 2nd quarter

4th and 10 from your opponents 35

53 yard field goal

RR didnt trust Hopkins, went for it, didnt make it, turnover on downs[/quote]

Didn’t we all see the red flags last year and over the summer yet we sit on our hands and it affects us for the reminder of this year

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In the end it probably doesn't matter though. There's only a handful of QBs in this league that can win games consistently with this defense.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1295142]I mean, does he really have a reason to trust Hopkins with a 53 yard FG? If he misses, you give them the ball on the 43. I wasn't a big fan of the call though. If he doesn't trust Hopkins they should have tried to pin them back with a punt. Hindsight is easy though. If they convert, we're all applauding his aggressiveness.[/quote]

At the time I was thinking pin them down, but I did admire going for it on 4th and 10. Part of me felt we should have been up at least 20-13 at that point so lets see what happens. Obviously that shift in field position set up the hail mary a few drives later.

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Well somehow, Alex Smith is the key to the success the defense has, because when he's not the starter, the same D is straight up terrible.

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[quote=Chico23231;1295147]Just crazy to me where I strongly believe both the dline and Oline where dominant and we lose and lose bad[/quote]

It boils down to QB play and we just don't have one , Winston is better than TH and that's why they won

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5 games in. Our best reasonable expectation was 3-2 and we are 2-3.

But everything is trending in the wrong direction. Defense seems unfixable. On offense we again have backup level play at QB.

I thought if we just hold water until around week 10, get Fitz back and let the D figure itself out, maybe we can sprint to the finish line with the last 5 games against NFCE.

Boys are 4-1. Looking at the conference, we would need to get to 11 wins to hope for playoffs.

5 games in and I dont care about the micro anaylsis anymore. Who gives a shit about whether a play was quarters or single high. How many snaps so and so got. Efficiency running right vs left.

It doesnt matter.

5 games in .. and its a dead man walking season.

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This system is broke ..Obviously it starts with Owner and the Toxic situation that has been here for years .. bringing in one aging vet Qb after another hoping it will work ( it has not) , Letting good players go for another supposedly upgrade has not worked( Moreland gone and Jackson not so good) also Missing opportunities to land Franchise QB .. so what if you whiff on a pick .. how could it get any worse than it is ? Matt Jones is somebody that was in a reasonable position that we could have gone after .. at least try . Our Davis pick this year and a high pick next year lands us a potential Franchise QB .. instead we got Davis who is struggling .. This team has to realize it’s not close to being good ..if we win 5-6 games I’ll be amazed

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295157]It boils down to QB play and we just don't have one , Winston is better than TH and that's why they won[/quote]

Yup.

I was watching the Davis Mills highlights during the game and then I watch the play of Jamin Davis.


It’s just frustrating

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1295141]The thing is, would you trade a 1st right now for CY? I don't[/quote]

Payne has been playing well lately, I would offer him, Ionnadis, Dyami Brown and 2 1st rounders for Deshaun Watson. Doesn't mean the Texans will take the deal.

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Three consecutive quarterbacks (Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, and Jameis Winston) have thrown four touchdowns against Washington, a historic level of failure matched by only three defenses in the history of the league. Others: 2011 Giants, 1986 Oilers, 1980 49ers.

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Heineke had a 45 Passing grade yesterday.. Yikes

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Ron "I thought we were better in coverage yesterday" LMAO!!!! WHAT????

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[quote=mredskins;1295162]Three consecutive quarterbacks (Josh Allen, Matt Ryan, and Jameis Winston) have thrown four touchdowns against Washington, a historic level of failure matched by only three defenses in the history of the league. Others: 2011 Giants, 1986 Oilers, 1980 49ers.[/quote]

Embarrassing.

The secondary rebuild has been a complete failure. Landon Collins has been a major bust

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[quote=Chico23231;1295166]Embarrassing.

The secondary rebuild has been a complete failure. Landon Collins has been a major bust[/quote]

Same goes for big mouth Mccain and Jackson, they all blow. Never should have cut Moreland who was a sure tackler.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1295161]Payne has been playing well lately, I would offer him, Ionnadis, Dyami Brown and 2 1st rounders for Deshaun Watson. Doesn't mean the Texans will take the deal.[/quote]

It doesn't matter what we were to offer to the Texans, he has a no-trade clause and he's not going to come here...unless we were literally the ONLY option which is not going to be the case.

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2 areas everyone said needing upgrade

- coverage LB
- FS

I dont know if it is hubris or just not finding the right fit but those 2 positions are killing us so far.

We drafted a rookie, okay fine with that.

Instead of adding a true FS .. we added another SS in McCain

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Fuller needs to move to FS

Collins needs to play ST

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[quote=SunnySide;1295126]They tried for Stafford and missed.

Fitz was about the only reasonable option out there as a 1 year vet placeholder. Someone who could possibly open up the playbook a bit more, give us a bottom end but legit starting QB.

Fitz gets injured and its trying to scrap together a game plan with flawed non-legit starter Qb talent.

Skins have mismanaged the QB position for decades but looking at just this offseason and the options available to them .. Fitz was the best of a bunch of less than desirable options.[/quote]

The bad thing is next year it is either stick with what you have or bring in another FA (The 22 draft will be the weakest at QB since we drafted Patrick Ramsey).

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[quote=Chico23231;1295166]Embarrassing.

The secondary rebuild has been a complete failure. Landon Collins has been a major bust[/quote]

Yesterday Landon Collins was targeted 5 times - 4 REC 98 YARDS TD

Holcomb gave up 4 REC For 70 yards and 3 first downs

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and here is our answer...

Ron Rivera made it very clear: no changes on D with scheme change/coaching moves, etc. "That makes no sense to me right now."

Keim

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1295164]Ron "I thought we were better in coverage yesterday" LMAO!!!! WHAT????[/QUOTE]


He said that? Honestly I really have had enough of this guy. Not only is he a poor coach, but he seems to be in deep deep denial about it. He must think we just started watching football also. I used to preface these comments with “he is a nice guy” and all that jazz but so is my Dad and I don’t ever want him coaching my football team because of that.

Does he realize his seat is getting warmer? I mean for God sakes Ron bench someone (named Landon Collins), or fire someone. Take play calling away from someone. Curse out the damn dude selling expensive beers. Anything. Just enough with this “i see improvement “ bullshit. Either he is a fucking liar or he is more god damn oblivious to what is transpiring in game than what I thought.