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Wentz had a 68 Grade yesterday (would have been 85 plus without the INTS)

Highest graded players on Offense
Rogers = 90
Gibson = 85
Samuel = 75
Cosmi = 74

Defense

Forrest = 91
Payne = 77
Sweat = 71
Allen = 70

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1321525]Wentz had a 68 Grade yesterday (would have been 85 plus without the INTS)

Highest graded players on Offense
Rogers = 90
Gibson = 85
Samuel = 75
Cosmi = 74

Defense

Forrest = 91
Payne = 77
Sweat = 71
Allen = 70[/quote]

Thanks OK, you have a cool job

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Gibson is still a really good player. Everyone was ready to trash the guy over one pre season fumble. He is the best back on the team imo.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1321533]Gibson is still a really good player. Everyone was ready to trash the guy over one pre season fumble. He is the best back on the team imo.[/quote]

Nobody was trashing him just over one fumble and you know that. It was about the 6 fumbles he had last year.

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Gibson role should be H-Back

Get him catching the ball in space

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@RapSheet
#Commanders DT Phidarian Mathis, knocked out yesterday with a knee injury, has a torn meniscus and is headed for season-ending surgery, sources say. The promising second-rounder is expected to make a full recovery for 2023.

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Yep, total bummer.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2022/9/12/23349377/washington-injury-update-phidarian-mathis-headed-to-ir-needs-season-ending-surgery-for-torn-meniscus[/url]

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Fucking A man ... lets get some good news

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Jon Allen said he's "feeling good" after suffering a groin injury yesterday. Nothing to see here.

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[quote=MTK;1321538]@RapSheet
#Commanders DT Phidarian Mathis, knocked out yesterday with a knee injury, has a torn meniscus and is headed for season-ending surgery, sources say. The promising second-rounder is expected to make a full recovery for 2023.[/quote]

All things considered, how that bent, that's about best case scenario.

That's a significant blow though. Football is brutal. You just have to plan on losing at least 5 guys every year for more than half the season. Russian roulette to find out who it is.

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Awful. Was really looking forward to seeing what he could do this year.


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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1321464]What did Jackson do wrong today to get so much hate?[/QUOTE]


It isn’t what he did. It is what he didn’t do. Cover his guy.

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[quote=punch it in;1321543]It isn’t what he did. It is what he didn’t do. Cover his guy.[/quote]

I find myself being a WJ3 defender bc everything pointed to him being a good physical corner. he checked a big box for us.

one valid defense .. he excelled at man playing up on his guy in Cincy .. and we use our corners in zone off the LOS.

I only got to watch the 4Q and didnt get to pause, rewind etc this game so I dont know what we were asking our outside corners to do but we didnt play a lot of man last year. We signed a really good physical man corner ... and we play him in soft zone. Why even sign him if we were going to square peg a circle thing with him?

he reminds me of breeland. a good physical corner, always around ball but guys seem to make contested catches on him. hes in position, just a fingernail short at times.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aosepuuGeIg[/url]

Quick scroll through first half highlights .. on D plays shown, we played tight man on outside to start game then every D formation shown was outside corners playing 10 yards off

Lots of soft zone by outside corners per the highlights

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Finding snap counts for this team the day after a game is always an issue. Google "commanders snap count week 1" and first hit is a jaguars snap count breakdown.

Ben Standig has them

Sims had 8 snaps, Dyanmi Brown only had 3 ..

Defense - holcomb played 100%, jamin Davis 93% ... so we played at least nickel or more 93% of the snaps

Smith-Williams 37 snaps, Toothill 30, Obada 21

[url]https://twitter.com/BenStandig/status/1569281457494888448/[/url]

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[quote=SunnySide;1321549]Finding snap counts for this team the day after a game is always an issue. Google "commanders snap count week 1" and first hit is a jaguars snap count breakdown.

Ben Standig has them

Sims had 8 snaps, Dyanmi Brown only had 3 ..

Defense - holcomb played 100%, jamin Davis 93% ... so we played at least nickel or more 93% of the snaps

Smith-Williams 37 snaps, Toothill 30, Obada 21

[url]https://twitter.com/BenStandig/status/1569281457494888448/[/url][/quote]

Not with PFF :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1321525]Wentz had a 68 Grade yesterday (would have been 85 plus without the INTS)

Highest graded players on Offense
[B]Rogers = 90[/B]
Gibson = 85
Samuel = 75
Cosmi = 74

Defense

Forrest = 91
Payne = 77
Sweat = 71
Allen = 70[/quote]

he played 4 snaps on offense ... how is he even eligible for a grade?

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[url]https://twitter.com/Commanders/status/1569083323082854402?s=20&t=b2nSLw3c5nQb-Zn8omN8hg[/url]

^^ twitter link of coach RR post game team speech and Wentz game ball

I always like the post game in locker room videos

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BS Allowed 3 Hits and 1 sack yesterday.. Yikes, thats bad for JAX

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1321552]BS Allowed 3 Hits and 1 sack yesterday.. Yikes, thats bad for JAX[/quote]

That's what happens when you play against Allen and Payne

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[quote=SunnySide;1321551]he played 4 snaps on offense ... how is he even eligible for a grade?

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[url]https://twitter.com/Commanders/status/1569083323082854402?s=20&t=b2nSLw3c5nQb-Zn8omN8hg[/url]

^^ twitter link of coach RR post game team speech and Wentz game ball

I always like the post game in locker room videos[/quote]

That was exactly my first reaction

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I mentioned this a while ago, but if these guys can win some games 35-28 at least they will be fun to watch. W/ Samuel finally healthy and Dotson really looking like a nice pick, plus the size at TE and the pass catchers out of the backfield, Terry, Sims in the red zone... we got some serious dudes on offense. If Carson can just clean up the dumb shit, and even if he doesn't, this offense can put up some points. It's going to be hard to account for all these guys.

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[quote=MTK;1321513]Not only does Dotson have hands but his ability to track the ball is pretty special. Reminds me of Santana Moss or DeSean Jackson in that way. Just get the ball near them and chances are they will come down with it.[/quote]

I was thinking that too, his ball tracking ability is amazing. I always thought of Terry McLaurin like Marvin Harrison type

Dotson has the same explosive side but that catch radius of his is ridiculous for someone who is 5'11"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1321525]Wentz had a 68 Grade yesterday (would have been 85 plus without the INTS)

Highest graded players on Offense
Rogers = 90
Gibson = 85
Samuel = 75
Cosmi = 74

Defense

Forrest = 91
Payne = 77
Sweat = 71
Allen = 70[/quote]

For a minute I thought we had a mini Sean Taylor out there. #22 was smacking the shit out of people, plus had a couple of nice break ups..

I don't think we are any good on defense but the name of the game for them will be turnovers. They gotta get the ball back to the offense a couple times a game.

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Signed Donovan Jeter undrafted to replace Mathis, signed by Steelers. Here’s some scouting on him, he seems below average with good size.

Positives: Nice-sized defensive tackle who had an underwhelming college career. Fires off the snap with a quick first step, keeps his feet moving, and works his hands throughout the action. Flashes power in his lower body and bull rushes opponents off the line.

Negatives: Cannot get off blocks once engaged at the point and gets held up by lesser opponents. Gets very narrow-based in his setup.

Analysis: Jeter possesses next-level size as well as growth potential, yet he never presented himself as anything other than an average college backup.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1321560]Signed Donovan Jeter undrafted to replace Mathis, signed by Steelers. Here’s some scouting on him, he seems below average with good size.

Positives: Nice-sized defensive tackle who had an underwhelming college career. Fires off the snap with a quick first step, keeps his feet moving, and works his hands throughout the action. Flashes power in his lower body and bull rushes opponents off the line.

Negatives: Cannot get off blocks once engaged at the point and gets held up by lesser opponents. Gets very narrow-based in his setup.

Analysis: Jeter possesses next-level size as well as growth potential, yet he never presented himself as anything other than an average college backup.[/quote]

Hard to get excited about this. Aren't there some FAs still out there that would be worth a look?

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I thought it was a good win. It's hard to know how a team will come out in week 1 - the first time a true game plan is put together, and all the starters are in for the majority of the game.

Considering all the new pieces I was pretty impressed with how the offense performed. When was the last time this team scored two TDs on their first two drives, and then ended the same game with a kneel down?

I thought the defense was pretty good collectively. They gave up 22 points, but 10 of those came off turnovers. Some individual players got beat, but the players on the other side are trying to make plays too. It happens, and will happen again.

Some keep talking about all the plays Jacksonville left out there, but so did Washington. "If Etienne made this catch, or if Lawrence didn't over throw this guy, if they didn't miss that FG..." I mean Washington turned the ball over three times, had dropped balls and penalties that killed drives, and still won. Don't get me wrong, the middle of the game was rough (Punt, Fumble, Punt, Punt, Interception, Interception), but the beginning and the end was very nice (TD, TD.....TD, TD, Kill the clock).

Nit-pickers will be nit-pickers, and that's all good. There's always room for improvement, but I think the Jaguars will be better than last year, and they will beat some good teams. It was a worthy opponent to start the season, and we got the W.

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[quote=calia;1321564]Hard to get excited about this. Aren't there some FAs still out there that would be worth a look?[/quote]

Danny Shelton
Sheldon Day
Sheldon Richarson
Suh
Star Lotoulelei

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1321572]Danny Shelton
Sheldon Day
Sheldon Richarson
Suh
Star Lotoulelei[/QUOTE]


I feel like any other team would take one of these guys without hesitation but we have to be different.

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[quote=punch it in;1321583]I feel like any other team would take one of these guys without hesitation but we have to be different.[/quote]

Why would any of these guys want to sign with a team to be the 3rd DT? I mean if they do great, I just don't get the expectation of signing guys that are probably waiting for a starting opportunity.

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I think the Detroit game will tell us a lot if we're really going to have a good season. It is a very winnable road game against a team that really needs to win. Detroit has had a ton of close, tough losses under Campbell. We need to secure the W and start out 2-0 this season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1321584]Why would any of these guys want to sign with a team to be the 3rd DT? I mean if they do great, I just don't get the expectation of signing guys that are probably waiting for a starting opportunity.[/quote]

I'm not so sure that they'd have a reasonable expectation of starting (and I emphasize reasonable; they may have unreasonable expectations of starting). They're not on a team right now for a reason. I would hope that we'd at least reach out and kick the tires to see what it would take to sign one of these dudes.

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[quote=calia;1321587]I'm not so sure that they'd have a reasonable expectation of starting (and I emphasize reasonable; they may have unreasonable expectations of starting). They're not on a team right now for a reason. I would hope that we'd at least reach out and kick the tires to see what it would take to sign one of these dudes.[/quote]

I think perhaps saying that these guys expect to be starters may be a strong statement, but, I feel that these may be the type of players that may be holding on for the right opportunity. Suh for instance, has back to back 1-year deals with the Bucs. I just feel that a player like him is not going to sign to be the 3rd DT behind Allen and Payne.

Some players may be stubborn like that, and will play the waiting game (see Landon Collins, who is still a free agent).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1321584]Why would any of these guys want to sign with a team to be the 3rd DT? I mean if they do great, I just don't get the expectation of signing guys that are probably waiting for a starting opportunity.[/quote]

Why wouldn’t they? Beats them sitting at home not getting a paycheck. From what I’ve read and seen, Donovan could surprise. He has really good size.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1321567]I thought it was a good win. It's hard to know how a team will come out in week 1 - the first time a true game plan is put together, and all the starters are in for the majority of the game.

Considering all the new pieces I was pretty impressed with how the offense performed. When was the last time this team scored two TDs on their first two drives, and then ended the same game with a kneel down?

I thought the defense was pretty good collectively. They gave up 22 points, but 10 of those came off turnovers. Some individual players got beat, but the players on the other side are trying to make plays too. It happens, and will happen again.

Some keep talking about all the plays Jacksonville left out there, but so did Washington. "If Etienne made this catch, or if Lawrence didn't over throw this guy, if they didn't miss that FG..." I mean Washington turned the ball over three times, had dropped balls and penalties that killed drives, and still won. Don't get me wrong, the middle of the game was rough (Punt, Fumble, Punt, Punt, Interception, Interception), but the beginning and the end was very nice (TD, TD.....TD, TD, Kill the clock).

Nit-pickers will be nit-pickers, and that's all good. There's always room for improvement, but I think the Jaguars will be better than last year, and they will beat some good teams. It was a worthy opponent to start the season, and we got the W.[/quote]

Agree with your overall point. It's a week to week league, so I'll take the W, not matter how. Sure you'd like to dominate from start to finish but that was a [I]highly entertaining game[/I], and I'd rather have them [I]show some fight[/I] and come back from behind !

[I]Carson Wentz[/I] gave us a [I]highlight of who he is[/I], capable of [I]amazing throws[/I], and will make some [I]ugly mistakes[/I] every now and then. The second INT isn't that bad IMO, risky throw but [I]not every Dlineman makes that catch[/I]...

Positives:
+ [I]Receiving corps[/I], it's what we expected and more
+ [I]Oline played well[/I]. I like [I]Schweitzer[/I] and wasn't a fan of automatically handing the starting job to Turner... But after seeing him in action, [I]I love Trai Turner already[/I], even banged up (pretty banged up I guess cuz they had + [I]Saahdiq Charles[/I] in there for some snaps, and he [I]flat out sucks[/I], no more excuses) he played well and made some [I]physical plays out in space[/I]. And I just love how he looks, the man is a cube, a [I]tough mfkin cube[/I]
+ [I]Darrick Forest[/I] his hard hitting ability was obvious from the little we saw him last year, but he's making plays against the pass too, love it
+ [I]Dline[/I], obviously Allen is a monster, Payne made some plays, [I]Toohill and Smith-Williams[/I] are quality rotational guys
+ Defense made some [I]plays when we needed[/I]
+ [I]Offense[/I] is gonna be [I]exciting to watch[/I]

Negatives:
- [I]Missed tackles[/I], I like Holcomb but that missed tackle on Robinson's TD was unacceptable
- [I]Defense is mediocre[/I], [I]LB play[/I] will be [I]underwhelming[/I], [I]secondary[/I] will be[I] frustrating[/I] all year long. Honestly, barring a dramatic turn around I want JDR gone at the end of the year, and if it gets ugly I'd be ok with a mid-season firing

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I saw John Bates make some great blocks yesterday, he was mauling people.

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Oh, and ma gawd I hope Curtis Samuel can stay healthy. Even with the fumble, monster game. On top of the speed, the man has some moves!

And while I'm at it, miscellaneous ([SIZE="1"]screw the spelling of that word[/SIZE]) thoughts:

McCain is bad. I hope they can find a way to have Curl and Forrest on the field together and dear Bobby on the bench. Slow, bad angles, missing tackles.

Loved Wentz getting the Jags' D on the hard count 2 times. Veteran skills.

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Gems from the All 22. You guys don't me to see Curtis Samuel having a monster game, Holcomb missing a tackle on the TD, or Darrick Forrest making plays all over the place.

But here are some plays were interesting and [I]material for discussion[/I]/occasions to improve our [I]collective football knowledge[/I].



Found [I]Schweitzer's injury[/I] play, hope it's not too serious...
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-34f3320d5a.gif[/IMG]


...Leading to [I]Trai Turner[/I] taking the field and making this [I]nice play against a stun[/I]t on his first snap
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-889ce20591.gif[/IMG]


[I]Turner[/I] really had a solid game, just a play on a screen that I liked, I just love that he's [I]enthusiastic to hit the DB[/I], more than he needed to, he's still banged up and out there diving to hit DBs... He'll be fun to watch once 100% healthy.
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-71a146d4bb.gif[/IMG]


For whatever reason (injury concern I guess) Turner was out for a serie, allowing [I]Saahdiq Charles [/I]to show once again he's [I]not even a decent NFL back up[/I]. (Nice play by Wentz).
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-93e6394a22.gif[/IMG]


Now let's rant a bit about our secondary:

[I]McCain flat out sucks[/I], this catch is on him (and you probably remember the awful angle he took on a run early in the game, the announcer mentioned it), Fuller gets beaten but he's supposed to have safety help inside
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-5f4b7ad221.gif[/IMG]

[I]WJ3[/I] had a bad game, and he dodge a bullet here, had Lance seen him [I]tangling his feet and falling[/I], that may have gone all the way
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-fd836f3a5e.gif[/IMG]


On top of letting guys run wide open in the passing game, the [I]secondary doesn't play their responsibilities in the run game well[/I]. Don't know if it's Fuller, St Juste or McCain, but somebody isn't in his gap. Unacceptable, [I]secondary run gap responsibility usually is super simple[/I]. And Nickel being our new base defense, they gotta play it right.
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-81ab7ce883.gif[/IMG]


And to finish on a nicer note, I just enjoy watching this play. [I]I think it's very well designed[/I]. Don't know if it's a common concept or not (I'm sure somebody here will know the concept's name), but I think it's very hard to defend unless you're in quarter. Here the Jags bring 5, in Cover 3, it's hard to blame the LB initially on Logan Thomas for letting him pass into the deep and biting on Samuel's crossing route, McKissick as a check down has the flat to curl LB's attention, and Dotson takes the deep CB with him. [I]Nice job Scott Turner, ain't it ?[/I]
[IMG]https://im5.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-5-1f7c688554.gif[/IMG]

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the gifs don't work

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You made a lot of good observations, as usual, Frenchy.

Trai Turner stood out for me, too. He is an exciting player but I didn't expect him to play at that high level. I love the way Wes Schweitzer plays football but Trai needs to start when he is completely healthy. Then we'll have our valuable Swiss army knife (Wes) ready to come off the bench when needed. I was excited when we drafted Charles but I think we now know that he isn't the player I had hoped he'd become.

I'd really like to know why RR fired our former DL coach and yet our DB coach is still here although he hasn't come close to getting his group to play their assignments as a unit. We've had serious problems in the secondary for years.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1321592]I saw John Bates make some great blocks yesterday, he was mauling people.[/quote]

Bates may be the best blocking TE in the NFL and that's not an exaggeration on my part.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1321584]Why would any of these guys want to sign with a team to be the 3rd DT? I mean if they do great, I just don't get the expectation of signing guys that are probably waiting for a starting opportunity.[/quote]

I agree and some probably looking for a long contract which we won't be offering. Putting your body through a season for what you feel is less than your value just doesn't make sense.