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Howell QB1? FU Rivera.
Heinicke had to tell you to start him in a garbage time game now he is your QB1? Dumb ass mother fucker.

New owner is cleaning house. New OC has no shot of staying on.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1336245]Howell QB1? FU Rivera.

Heinicke had to tell you to start him in a garbage time game now he is your QB1? Dumb ass mother fucker.



New owner is cleaning house. New OC has no shot of staying on.[/QUOTE]Is that a certainty ? What if that OC just had a second year QB lead one of the most explosive offense in the league ? Wouldn't the owner want to be the good guy that gives an up and coming coach a shot at HC ? Also saving him the headache of an HC search that he has zero experience conducting. As new owner he'll have a lot on his plate. And maybe he'll want to focus on the branding aspect of things, who knows.

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Ok now we are daydreaming that the new OC will eventually be the HC and SH is going be Super Bowl MVP

Good grief

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1336248]Ok now we are daydreaming that the new OC will eventually be the HC and SH is going be Super Bowl MVP



Good grief[/QUOTE]Nobody is talking about SB MVP, just saying the possibility of the offense being successful enough for the OC to be considered as a HC candidates exists, this notion that it'll be an automatic house cleaning no matter the situation is a stretch IMO.

I'm not even talking about probability, but the possibility existing may make this position more attractive than we think. Both "automatic house cleaning" and "nobody will want this OC job" are overstatements.

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[quote=jamf;1336245]Howell QB1? FU Rivera.
Heinicke had to tell you to start him in a garbage time game now he is your QB1? Dumb ass mother fucker.

New owner is cleaning house. New OC has no shot of staying on.[/quote]

Aren't you the one that wants to draft a QB every single year until they get it right? What's the point if they are not willing to find out if the guy they drafted is the right guy?

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[quote=nonniey;1336256]Aren't you the one that wants to draft a QB every single year until they get it right? What's the point if they are not willing to find out if the guy they drafted is the right guy?[/quote]

Great point !!

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[quote=nonniey;1336256]Aren't you the one that wants to draft a QB every single year until they get it right? What's the point if they are not willing to find out if the guy they drafted is the right guy?[/quote]

Yes!
I want to have the best options available at QB and hopefully someone steps up in camp.

Step one is winning the job. Let the young QB actually earn the start then you see what they can do during the season.

Howell hasn’t earned the starting job. He backed into it via a wasted season and the two guys ahead of him shitting the bed. Every qb in the league should have a similar skill set to Howell. You aren’t seeing anything extraordinary from him. Unfortunately we had to watch noodle arm throw for half the season so Howell loooks like John Elway.

How about draft a guy or two and let the 3 of them battle it out?
I don’t give a fuck about their egos or feelings. The one the plays the best in camp starts.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1336246]Is that a certainty ? What if that OC just had a second year QB lead one of the most explosive offense in the league ? Wouldn't the owner want to be the good guy that gives an up and coming coach a shot at HC ? Also saving him the headache of an HC search that he has zero experience conducting. As new owner he'll have a lot on his plate. And maybe he'll want to focus on the branding aspect of things, who knows.

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I would hope the new owner would bring in a GM or president to run the team.
I don’t need Jeff Bezos or Jayz talking Xs and Os.


Explosive Offense? We can wish but that would have to start with elite Oline play.
Likelihood of converting these bums to an elite group is slim.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1336277]I would hope the new owner would bring in a GM or president to run the team.

I don’t need Jeff Bezos or Jayz talking Xs and Os.





Explosive Offense? We can wish but that would have to start with elite Oline play.

Likelihood of converting these bums to an elite group is slim.[/QUOTE]

Agreed on the Oline part. As for the explosive offense I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario, but it's a possibility that a confident OC could envision, we still are packed with skill positions players.

Good point about the GM/Team President.
But this would go to my point: if the new owner has smart people doing the coaches hires, then they wouldn't let a promising OC get away from them.

Again I'm not talking likelihood, I'm saying an OC confident in himself could look at this roster AND situation and think "yeah, I'm good enough to get this to work in my favor".

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[quote=nonniey;1336256]Aren't you the one that wants to draft a QB every single year until they get it right? What's the point if they are not willing to find out if the guy they drafted is the right guy?[/quote]

I have always believed that you draft QB's every year or just about every year. It's the most important position on your team and it is a main reason why this organization never goes anywhere.

Even if you have an established stater you still should draft a QB in the mid or later rounds.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1336207][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmcePx0acAMNRui?format=jpg&name=large[/IMG]


Howell QB1?[/quote]

If I am reading correctly the OC won’t get a say in the starting QB? Seems kind of silly but par for the current regime

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As far as Howell goes he is really in a tough spot. He doesn't even know who his OC is going to be. And that guy may be here for only a year. The head coach is probably going to run option plays and get the QB killed like he did Cam Newton. Who on this staff has a history of developing QB's?

Washington is the graveyard for QB's.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1336281]If I am reading correctly the OC won’t get a say in the starting QB? Seems kind of silly but par for the current regime[/quote]

I've lost any faith in Ron bit it doesn't sound crazy to me to say to candidates "we're looking for someone who believes in/is willing to work with this kid". As long as it is a coach (and not owner) induced decision, I have no issue with it.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1336284]I've lost any faith in Ron bit it doesn't sound crazy to me to say to candidates "we're looking for someone who believes in/is willing to work with this kid". As long as it is a coach (and not owner) induced decision, I have no issue with it.[/quote]

I guess I feel the coordinator should have some autonomy over their players if they feel there is a better match on the roster. Regardless I hope our sports media does ask why Howell wasn’t good enough to start week 17 but after his performance in week 18 where he threw for 57% completion and a 45 qbr he is the 2023 starter. Either way sounds like a major fuck up. I like what Howell did in game I think we have a Daniel Jonesesque qb and we can work with that I just question RRs decision process.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1336285]I guess I feel the coordinator should have some autonomy over their players if they feel there is a better match on the roster. Regardless I hope our sports media does ask why Howell wasn’t good enough to start week 17 but after his performance in week 18 where he threw for 57% completion and a 45 qbr he is the 2023 starter. Either way sounds like a major fuck up. I like what Howell did in game I think we have a Daniel Jonesesque qb and we can work with that [B]I just question RRs decision process[/B].[/quote]

Oh for sure, that's fair. Like I said I'm at the point where Ron doesn't have any other merit than being a nice guy.

As for the OC having some autonomy over players, I agree... once he's in place. But having some pre-requisite through the recruiting process doesn't sound crazy.

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There are too many moving parts — owner, HC, OC, QB, 2023 draft — to map out the single best way forward, other than to say that the ideal would be to start at the top and work your way down. But that’s not going to happen by April.

So RR, for better or worse, has to field a team, hire on OC, and make up a draft board. Parts of that will be undone by subsequent ownership moves. And we will stay in purgatory during that time with 7-9 wins.

So in the meantime why not try to answer one of few questions that we can answer — Is Sam Howell someone who can develop into QB1 or QB2?

SH was a smart pick for those of us who feel you should always draft a QB in a value-appropriate round. But don’t forget the next part of that axiom: “. . . . because he might turn out to be a keeper.” This is the right time to try to answer that question.

It’s not about “crowning” anyone. It’s about the context of where we are as an organization in 2023.


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[quote=HTTR;1336287]There are too many moving parts — owner, HC, OC, QB, 2023 draft — to map out the single best way forward, other than to say that the ideal would be to start at the top and work your way down. But that’s not going to happen by April.

So RR, for better or worse, has to field a team, hire on OC, and make up a draft board. Parts of that will be undone by subsequent ownership moves. And we will stay in purgatory during that time with 7-9 wins.

So in the meantime why not try to answer one of few questions that we can answer — Is Sam Howell someone who can develop into QB1 or QB2?

SH was a smart pick for those of us who feel you should always draft a QB in a value-appropriate round. But don’t forget the next part of that axiom: “. . . . because he might turn out to be a keeper.” This is the right time to try to answer that question.

It’s not about “crowning” anyone. It’s about the context of where we are as an organization in 2023.


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Good post.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

Yep .. makes sense to me ! Ron is only staying as coach because of sale .. he is lame duck coach and it would be a big mistake to bring in some aging vet with a huge contract with all the uncertainties.. go with Howell for now!

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[QUOTE=HTTR;1336287]There are too many moving parts — owner, HC, OC, QB, 2023 draft — to map out the single best way forward, other than to say that the ideal would be to start at the top and work your way down. But that’s not going to happen by April.

So RR, for better or worse, has to field a team, hire on OC, and make up a draft board. Parts of that will be undone by subsequent ownership moves. And we will stay in purgatory during that time with 7-9 wins.

So in the meantime why not try to answer one of few questions that we can answer — Is Sam Howell someone who can develop into QB1 or QB2?

SH was a smart pick for those of us who feel you should always draft a QB in a value-appropriate round. But don’t forget the next part of that axiom: “. . . . because he might turn out to be a keeper.” This is the right time to try to answer that question.

It’s not about “crowning” anyone. It’s about the context of where we are as an organization in 2023.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Solid way to put it.
We gotta accept 2023 is a weird transition year, I don't want any big splash this off-season. We're probably not going anywhere next year, why would you want to spend big on a pretty much meaningless season.
Keep building a solid roster, and let the next guys take over with as many assets as possible.

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I don’t see Ron and company just accepting a transition yr.. he is coaching for his job. They will make some moves


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[quote=FrenchSkin;1336322]Solid way to put it.
We gotta accept 2023 is a weird transition year, I don't want any big splash this off-season. We're probably not going anywhere next year, why would you want to spend big on a pretty much meaningless season.
Keep building a solid roster, and let the next guys take over with as many assets as possible.

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Well, you need to sign Payne, Curl, Holcomb and others, they better or they are going nowhere. In my opinion the only FA's that need to be signed are these teams FA's. Draft 3 OL, a CB, LB, QB, DL, K and we are set.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1336281]If I am reading correctly the OC won’t get a say in the starting QB? Seems kind of silly but par for the current regime[/quote]

When does the OC solely decide who is the QB? If they are doing this, I'm fine. Be upfront: this is the QB you'll get to work with. You need to come in and figure out a way to make him successful with solid running game and some very good receivers.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1336337]When does the OC solely decide who is the QB? If they are doing this, I'm fine. Be upfront: this is the QB you'll get to work with. You need to come in and figure out a way to make him successful with solid running game and some very good receivers.[/quote]

Not sure I would say solely but I do think they should have a say in who plays

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1336331]Well, you need to sign Payne, Curl, Holcomb and others, they better or they are going nowhere. In my opinion the only FA's that need to be signed are these teams FA's. Draft 3 OL, a CB, LB, QB, DL, K and we are set.[/quote]
That’s be great if they could do this. I might switch the DL to another CB

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmmi7RTXEAIXxA0?format=jpg&name=medium[/IMG]

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[quote=rocnrik;1336315]Yep .. makes sense to me ! Ron is only staying as coach because of sale .. he is lame duck coach and it would be a big mistake to bring in some aging vet with a huge contract with all the uncertainties.. go with Howell for now![/quote]

If he is a lame duck I am not sure he cares what the next coaching staff has to deal with in regards to FA contracts.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1336337]When does the OC solely decide who is the QB? If they are doing this, I'm fine. Be upfront: this is the QB you'll get to work with. You need to come in and figure out a way to make him successful with solid running game and some very good receivers.[/quote]

It’s still incompetent to go out and get a guy who the OC doesn’t want. OC needs to be a voice in the room in the QB decision.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1336380]If he is a lame duck I am not sure he cares what the next coaching staff has to deal with in regards to FA contracts.[/quote]

You are correct .. so know matter what he does the next owner will probably hire a GM and blow it all up .. Ron is in a position to go with Sam , I’m not sure Snyder will want to pay a Rogers or Brady knowing he is selling … with all that said I’m not sure it’s a done deal Snyder is selling ..

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This is the absolute worst place to come if you want to be an NFL OC.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1336331]Well, you need to sign Payne, Curl, Holcomb and others, they better or they are going nowhere. In my opinion the only FA's that need to be signed are these teams FA's. Draft 3 OL, a CB, LB, QB, DL, K and we are set.[/quote]

No for sure, like it's been said by others, Ron has a job and he's going to do it, and like I said I want them to keep them building the roster the right way. Just don't want them to spend huge $ or trade big assets, ie for a big name QB.
I also hope they find at least one OL in FA, not sure you can hope to find all your needs in the draft, don't want to put yourself in a position where you'd be tempted to reach.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1336383]This is the absolute worst place to come if you want to be an NFL OC.[/quote]

Is it though? Barring a complete nose dive, there's an opportunity near to make your name.

Worst you can probably do is be as bad as Turner (who'll probably get another shot somewhere).

Turn this offence into a top 20 unit and play competitive and you can say look what I started with and turned it into. Great on the CV of a young OC

Turn this offense into a top 16 or higher offence in one season and you're probably going to be looking at a HC job in your future.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1336413]Is it though? Barring a complete nose dive, there's an opportunity near to make your name.

Worst you can probably do is be as bad as Turner (who'll probably get another shot somewhere).

Turn this offence into a top 20 unit and play competitive and you can say look what I started with and turned it into. Great on the CV of a young OC

Turn this offense into a top 16 or higher offence in one season and you're probably going to be looking at a HC job in your future.[/quote]

I'd rather be the OC here in 2023 than in 2022. At least there is a chance for success. Howell has upside and potential.

Heinicke isn't good and Wentz is even worse. Neither of them are getting any better than they are now.

If Rivera can assemble even a mediocre offensive line, the offense can be successful. We absolutely have the weapons to score points.

The O.C. won't know all of the pieces before being hired, so there is some risk. The O.C. should almost be interviewing Rivera the same as Rivera is interviewing him. Mainly, what is your plan for the offensive line? I'm not coming if it looks anything like last year's line.

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I think we could get someone that’s young , high energy, innovative and a nice rack… wait what are we talking about?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1336417]I'd rather be the OC here in 2023 than in 2022. At least there is a chance for success. Howell has upside and potential.



Heinicke isn't good and Wentz is even worse. Neither of them are getting any better than they are now.



If Rivera can assemble even a mediocre offensive line, the offense can be successful. We absolutely have the weapons to score points.



The O.C. won't know all of the pieces before being hired, so there is some risk. The O.C. should almost be interviewing Rivera the same as Rivera is interviewing him. Mainly, what is your plan for the offensive line? I'm not coming if it looks anything like last year's line.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there are only 32 NFL OC jobs on the planet, and if they fix the Oline this is about as good an offensive roster as you gonna get. Yes there is uncertainty but I don't buy that this OC position is this absolute shitty job that no competent candidate would want of.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1336503]Yeah, there are only 32 NFL OC jobs on the planet, and if they fix the Oline this is about as good an offensive roster as you gonna get. Yes there is uncertainty but I don't buy that this OC position is this absolute shitty job that no competent candidate would want of.

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After is all said and done, it will probably be Zampese.

Re: The Sam Howell Thread
 

i be impressed if SH beat the DAL of last night not the DAL of last week. Entirely two different teams.

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[quote=mredskins;1336512]i be impressed if SH beat the DAL of last night not the DAL of last week. Entirely two different teams.[/quote]

Agreed. I do think our defense had something to do with that though.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1336530]Agreed. I do think our defense had something to do with that though.[/quote]

I think Dallas looked at our game as a pop quiz and the TB game as a final exam.

And how our defense performed has little bearing on SH performance.

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[quote=mredskins;1336532]I think Dallas looked at our game as a pop quiz and the TB game as a final exam.

And how our defense performed has little bearing on SH performance.[/quote]

I think the win against Dallas was a result of a combination of them being overconfident and underestimating this team's will to win that game.

SH didn't play defense, but I think the performance of the defense did have an impact on his performance. He was able to stick with the somewhat conservative game plan, and wasn't asked or forced to do too much. His performance could have looked much different if the team played from behind, and he had to throw the ball 40 times. As it turns out, they didn't have to play from behind thanks to the defense, so in my opinion the defense had a lot to do with SH's performance.

I do agree with you, that Dallas looked like a different team last night, but I think it's because Washington is a much better team than Tampa.

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The NFL is a week to week league, matchups matter. Tampa has no pass rush and it showed. SF has argubly the best EDGE Rusher in the league. Dak wont have all day next week