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[quote=EdmundDorf;1334085]That is more about the injury guarantee on his contract. Anytime he is at the facility if he gets an injury they are on hook for his $40m salary next year, if he stays away they can cut him for a $5m cap hit in February. It is LV, not Carr, that is making him step away from the team[/quote]

If he is still on the roster and gets hurt he is covered(he is) , be it at home or at work.

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More of a week 16 talk cuz I just watched last week 's Giants @ Vikings, but what do you guys make of this Minnesota team?

On paper it's a very complete roster, and it's been for several season, I'm more in the camp of "Kirk being unclutch is a lazy narrative", he seems to have a good connection with TJ Hokenson, Jefferson is amazing, don't know when he'll come back but Thielen is awesome too... They are 12 and 3... And yet this team doesn't look dominant... Each time I watch them it seems the defense collapses at times, or Kirk is off on some throws... One way or another they need some lucky breaks to get Ws even against a team like the Giants. They don't look like contender...

Why is that in your opinions ?

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[quote=Giantone;1334092]If he is still on the roster and gets hurt he is covered(he is) , be it at home or at work.[/quote]

At home would be classed as a non-football related injury. You see teams getting out guaratees all of the time from players injuring themselves outside of the facility. The big problem during covid was players injuring themselves while working out at home to team instructions.

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Dallas lost their Starting C for the season and looks like a staring MLB. Huge losses for them.

Once Philly wins Sunday there is no chance Dak plays next week. It’ll be a pre season type vibe from Dallas.


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[quote=FrenchSkin;1334093]More of a week 16 talk cuz I just watched last week 's Giants @ Vikings, but what do you guys make of this Minnesota team?

On paper it's a very complete roster, and it's been for several season, I'm more in the camp of "Kirk being unclutch is a lazy narrative", he seems to have a good connection with TJ Hokenson, Jefferson is amazing, don't know when he'll come back but Thielen is awesome too... They are 12 and 3... And yet this team doesn't look dominant... Each time I watch them it seems the defense collapses at times, or Kirk is off on some throws... One way or another they need some lucky breaks to get Ws even against a team like the Giants. They don't look like contender...

Why is that in your opinions ?

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Cousins has become a better QB as time has gone on. He is clutch, he can perform in primetime, etc. I honestly think he is better than Dak, young guys like Tua. I’d probably rank him 9-10 in QBs right now.

I’m gonna be honest, I’d take him over Lamar Jax, Dak, Stafford, Kyler Murray, Goff, etc.

He owns the biggest comeback of all time. Nuf said.

Unfortunately Minnesota defense isn’t great and he can’t do a damn thing about it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1334099]Cousins has become a better QB as time has gone on. He is clutch, he can perform in primetime, etc. I honestly think he is better than Dak, young guys like Tua. I’d probably rank him 9-10 in QBs right now.

I’m gonna be honest, I’d take him over Lamar Jax, Dak, Stafford, Kyler Murray, Goff, etc.

He owns the biggest comeback of all time. Nuf said.

Unfortunately Minnesota defense isn’t great and he can’t do a damn thing about it.[/quote]

i will say this you get more miles out of a Kurt type QB then you do these running back QBs

Burrow going be around alot more then Lamar and Justin Fields

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1334086]Cowboys were going to be sitting lots of starters next week, more now after the injuries.[/quote]

Felt bad .. I got excited when Kearse went down but then he came back in the game.

Their Center has a high ankle sprain, that looked bad.

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We should learn more about the state of Tyler Biadasz, but hopefully more than anything he is alright. In his absence, the Cowboys moved guard Connor McGovern to center, Tyler Smith from tackle to guard, and inserted Jason Peters at left tackle.

[url]https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2022/12/29/23531956/cowboys-tyler-biadasz-injury-news-initial-high-ankle-sprain[/url]

Nice to the see the Boys have to do the Manders shuffle with their OL

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[quote=Chico23231;1334099][B]Cousins has become a better QB as time has gone on.[/B] He is clutch, he can perform in primetime, etc. I honestly think he is better than Dak, young guys like Tua. I’d probably rank him 9-10 in QBs right now.

I’m gonna be honest, I’d take him over Lamar Jax, Dak, Stafford, Kyler Murray, Goff, etc.

He owns the biggest comeback of all time. Nuf said.

Unfortunately Minnesota defense isn’t great and he can’t do a damn thing about it.[/quote]

Would you credit our boy O'Connell?

2021 - OC for Rams, explosive offense, SB win
2022 - got Redskin fans saying nice things about Cousins .. hell he got vikings fans saying nice things about Cousins

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[quote=mredskins;1334102]i will say this you get more miles out of a Kurt type QB then you do these running back QBs

Burrow going be around alot more then Lamar and Justin Fields[/quote]

There is a skill to being a running QB, Mahomes and Russ ran a lot, but they got down and out of bounds. Hit avoidance. But even if you don’t get hit and run, you are taking a chance…Dak several years ago and Kyler Murray this year had the dreaded non contact injury. 2 QB who became different players after running injuries > RG3 and Carson Wentz. Wentz used to run

I just never have thought Lamar Jax is a good passer. Fields showing something, but he needs to throw better.

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[quote=SunnySide;1334106]Would you credit our boy O'Connell?

2021 - OC for Rams, explosive offense, SB win
2022 - got Redskin fans saying nice things about Cousins .. hell he got vikings fans saying nice things about Cousins[/quote]

System familiar is always an advantage. Why Heinike is relevant here

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Bucs QB Blaine Gabbert helps rescue helicopter crash victims

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35348114/bucs-qb-blaine-gabbert-helps-rescue-helicopter-crash-victims[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1334099]Cousins has become a better QB as time has gone on. He is clutch, he can perform in primetime, etc. I honestly think he is better than Dak, young guys like Tua. I’d probably rank him 9-10 in QBs right now.

I’m gonna be honest, I’d take him over Lamar Jax, Dak, Stafford, Kyler Murray, Goff, etc.

[B]He owns the biggest comeback of all time. Nuf said.[/B]

Unfortunately Minnesota defense isn’t great and he can’t do a damn thing about it.[/quote]

I watched that game and the Colts' lead was so flukish (blocked punt and flukish TOs etc...) that the comeback didn't feel as amazing as the score said.

Anyway, I agree on Cousins, let's see if he can put that "unclutch" narrative to sleep this year, but a) he'll need his defense to stop shitting the bed, b) this offense still needs to take another step to get some respect, it still doesn't feel like they control and dominate like maybe they should IMO.

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If we win tomorrow and the lions and hawks lose we are basically in. All 3 are possible too.

If we lose it’s a wrap and start Howell v Dallas


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1334140]If we win tomorrow and the lions and hawks lose we are basically in. All 3 are possible too.

[B]If we lose it’s a wrap and start Howell v Dallas [/B]


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We gotta see what we got!

Nah nah nah. [I][B]You[/B][/I] wanna see what we got. The coaches already know what we got. Tape don't lie - if he isn't balling in practice I don't want to see him in a game. If he has no pocket presence in practice, if his footwork is sloppy and his throws are inaccurate and he has more turnovers than Heinicke I don't even want to see him active for a game. The grass isn't always greener.

Just to add on - who is the most recent top 10 qb in the NFL today to be drafted in the 4th round or later? It's Kirk right? It took him 3 seasons, including half a season of mediocre play before it finally clicked and he started balling (I was at the You Like That game against TB too).

Some of you guys are too impatient.

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[quote=mooby;1334143]We gotta see what we got!

Nah nah nah. [I][B]You[/B][/I] wanna see what we got. The coaches already know what we got. Tape don't lie - if he isn't balling in practice I don't want to see him in a game. If he has no pocket presence in practice, if his footwork is sloppy and his throws are inaccurate and he has more turnovers than Heinicke I don't even want to see him active for a game. The grass isn't always greener.

Just to add on - who is the most recent top 10 qb in the NFL today to be drafted in the 4th round or later? It's Kirk right? It took him 3 seasons, including half a season of mediocre play before it finally clicked and he started balling (I was at the You Like That game against TB too).

Some of you guys are too impatient.[/quote]

I agree with you, and while we're still in with a chance, I'd stick with Wentz.

BUT if we're out of it already, say down a fair bit against Dallas by the half and lost to Cleveland, I'd say give him the 2nd half. Whether or not he's a potential #1, we have to see if he's a good #2 at least. If so, then it gives us more options next year. We can let TH go, release Wentz (and maybe re-sign on a better deal?) and/or look at the draft.

If he has shown issues in practice, as you surmise, they'd not want to start him, but also would want to keep him around if he showed potential. If he's plain bad likely he wouldn't be on the roster at all by now. Without any game time, practice is only going to exhibit 60-70% of his potential, so we just don't know yet. If he has a chance at all, he has to have some meaningful game time, whether that's the end of this season or more exposure next preseason.

Ideally, Wentz gets us into the playoffs and Howell is #2 for next year, being groomed to take over.

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If Wentz wins the next 2 games and potentially wins a WC game then it would be tough to not bring him back next yr BUT at a cheaper price.


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I don't think Howell is straight bad, he did show some things against unemployed people in the preseason. There was a good place to start him before the team started winning, but Ron wanted to try to get wins to keep his job and thought TH gave a better chance back then, and he was probably right. Since then it's been a close race to try and make it to the postseason, so again, he wants whatever extra 1% he can get to win games.

If we're out of it or next preseason, I imagine we'll see more, and hopefully it is an open competition between him and whoever gets brought in (or re-signed). I'm not against Wentz at a (much) cheaper deal or a draft pick... there's no obvious answer at QB for next year (which kind of sucks). If TH is back, it HAS to be as a backup (I imagine that would be a "we're potentially throwing a year away to see if Howell can do it").

Fixing the OL should vastly improve the running game and also give QBs longer in the pocket, which should hopefully be enough to get to 24ppg.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1334145]If Wentz wins the next 2 games and potentially wins a WC game then it would be tough to not bring him back next yr BUT at a cheaper price.

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I want Howell to be no lower than No. 2 on the depth chart next year. So get rid of Wents and/or Heinicke and go with one of them/Howell.

Or get rid of both and draft another QB.

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Let's go Kurt!

Don't really have much hope in the Bears or Jets on the road versus the Lions and Seahawks, respectively.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1334151]Let's go Kurt!

Don't really have much hope in the Bears or Jets on the road versus the Lions and Seahawks, respectively.[/quote]

Me either.Goff has been surprisingly good this year,especially at home

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Lol I was so confused by that tweet and pic till I saw Larry’s response

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1334150]I want Howell to be no lower than No. 2 on the depth chart next year. So get rid of Wents and/or Heinicke and go with one of them/Howell.

Or get rid of both and draft another QB.[/quote]

Man I don't know how I'd feel about a Heinicke/Howell combo for the team next year. Heinicke is a very good backup and if we can keep him as a back up I am all for it, but I feel we need a QB real bad just like Elaine needs a short stop.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1334156]Man I don't know how I'd feel about a Heinicke/Howell combo for the team next year. Heinicke is a very good backup and if we can keep him as a back up I am all for it, but I feel we need a QB real bad just like Elaine needs a short stop.[/quote]

Lol, nice. She did need a shortstop.

My preference might be absolutely wrong. I'm open to anything other than the same 3 guys all being back next year.

Wentz or Heinicke needs to go.

I like Howell more than most. So that is the main thing behind my preference.

Howell, draft pick, and reasonably priced vet would be my ideal situation.

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That is where I am leaning. Howell, 1st or 2nd round pick if it grades right and not a reach, and a reasonable vet

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1334140]If we win tomorrow and the lions and hawks lose we are basically in. All 3 are possible too.

If we lose it’s a wrap and start Howell v Dallas


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If we lose but the Lions and/or the Seahawks and/or the packers lose, we can still get in. And if we lose and all other 3 lose, we still just need to win agains the Cowboys to get in.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1334180]If we lose but the Lions and/or the Seahawks and/or the packers lose, we can still get in. And if we lose and all other 3 lose, we still [B]just[/B] need to win agains the Cowboys to get in.[/quote]

Cowboys are playing for the division next week right up until the Eagles result is decided (or thereafter). Just has become must and is an extremely unlikely outcome all things considered.

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Anyone see the no fumble call at the start of the Dolphins v Pats game? In the UK there's a phrase now in common parlance due to a well known ad; "Should have gone to Specsavers". After this season the NFL REALLY needs to look at its officiating set up.

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Go pack go

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Another giant game for Landon Collins....

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Albert Breer on Twitter

Raiders QB Jarrett Stidham is 11-of-14 for 145 yards, 2 TDs and a 149.4 passer rating through one half against the 49ers defense.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1334627]Albert Breer on Twitter

Raiders QB Jarrett Stidham is 11-of-14 for 145 yards, 2 TDs and a 149.4 passer rating through one half against the 49ers defense.[/quote]

Who'd a thunk it, you can coach up a QB. Seems to pour cold water on the Carr narrative

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1334630]Who'd a thunk it, you can coach up a QB. Seems to pour cold water on the Carr narrative[/quote]

Not really. Many of these guys come off the bench and do well for a game or even two. Then when the other teams start getting game film on them, then they tend to show you why they are sitting on the bench to begin with.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1334637]Not really. Many of these guys come off the bench and do well for a game or even two. Then when the other teams start getting game film on them, then they tend to show you why they are sitting on the bench to begin with.[/quote]

Yet they still have to complete passes, know where to throw it, see open guys and not throw into triple coverage. Not everything has to be about the defence not being familiar with the QB

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1334641]Yet they still have to complete passes, know where to throw it, see open guys and not throw into triple coverage. Not everything has to be about the defence not being familiar with the QB[/quote]

They should be, they are in practice doing the same things the starter are doing. The only difference is the defense isn't prepared for them.




That said, was it CR up here talking about Kirk Cousins being clutch? ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL

Brah, that dude is anything but clutch. He shrinks in the biggest moments.

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This really, really sucks how our season has ended. Please bring in an owner in a February.

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Watching Aaron Rodgers crush our playoff hopes is an appropriate ending for the last month.

Hope the offseason starts with news of a sale, and the new ownership starting fresh.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1334645]They should be, they are in practice doing the same things the starter are doing. The only difference is the defense isn't prepared for them.




That said, was it CR up here talking about Kirk Cousins being clutch? ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL

Brah, that dude is anything but clutch. He shrinks in the biggest moments.[/quote]

I mean I know it's hot to shit on Kirk right now with the Vikings down 41-3, but he owns the biggest comeback in Redskins history and in NFL history. Credit where it's due.

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[quote=mooby;1334649]I mean I know it's hot to shit on Kirk right now with the Vikings down 41-3, but he owns the biggest comeback in Redskins history and in NFL history. Credit where it's due.[/quote]

Two games doesn't mean shit. Look at his record in primetime games. Wasn't he like 1-13? Kirk is a decent QB, but he's not going to carry you to a SB. Not unless the team around him carries him. I'd still take him over what we currently have, but not at his pricepoint.