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[quote=mredskins;1349808]it would answer the question is the problem the line or sam

if brissett comes in and the sacks go down; well....[/quote]

Another good point.

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Chase is the least of our problems right now. He's one of the only bright spots actually.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1349807]In some ways, I do understand the people who believe Howell should continue playing and see what we may have (or not have) long term. While watching yesterday's game, I did suddenly think to myself that he may need to go sit. He's teetering on soon getting himself injured or he could possibly start to develop bad habits (as he already has one per holding onto the ball too long) by feeling rushed to make throws and seeing ghosts.

Personally, I would put him on the bench for his own good more so than the good of the team right now. Heck! It may turn out for the good of both in the short and potentially long-term.[/quote]

I am concerned about developing bad habits too. Self preservation in this anemic offense is a bad combination. That being said EB has to do a better job and Dotson has to be better

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I think one thing everyone agrees on is getting rid of Ron. Like asap.
I know EB has been a fail up to this point for the most part, but he is utilizing an absolutely atrocious oline, our number 2 wr and first round pick Dotson is a bust, and Howell has that whole internal clock problem, so……
I would make him interim HC just to see if maybe players respond to his fiery ways.
What is the harm at this point? We lose? We are going to lose most of the rest of our games anyway. I wouldn’t be opposed to maybe benching Sam and seeing what happens with JB. Not so much because I think JB can be the guy going forward but because we can see how much of the sack problem is on Sam. If JB looks better than Sam than we know we need to take quarterback with what will surely be a top ten pick. Maybe even trade up into the top 3 for one of the big two if we have to. Let the new regime build around a bonafide stud at qb and let real football people retool this oline. It is observation time. No reason to wait for the offseason. Start now.

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[quote=mredskins;1349808]it would answer the question is the problem the line or sam

if brissett comes in and the sacks go down; well....[/quote]

Yesterday was definitively on the OL - 5 out of the 6 sacks were on them. The OL is a problem that has been getting worse and will take probably years to fix at this point (4 of 5 of our starters would not start on any other team and a couple possibly would not even make a roster outside the Redskins). The OL player quality has deteriorated every single year since Ron became coach which has resulted in this year the Skins having the worst line in their history and probably the worst line in the NFL for this season.

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[quote=punch it in;1349816]I think one thing everyone agrees on is getting rid of Ron. Like asap.
I know EB has been a fail up to this point for the most part, but he is utilizing an absolutely atrocious oline, our number 2 wr and first round pick Dotson is a bust, and Howell has that whole internal clock problem, so……
I would make him interim HC just to see if maybe players respond to his fiery ways.
What is the harm at this point? We lose? We are going to lose most of the rest of our games anyway. I wouldn’t be opposed to maybe benching Sam and seeing what happens with JB. Not so much because I think JB can be the guy going forward but because we can see how much of the sack problem is on Sam. If JB looks better than Sam than we know we need to take quarterback with what will surely be a top ten pick. Maybe even trade up into the top 3 for one of the big two if we have to. Let the new regime build around a bonafide stud at qb and let real football people retool this oline. It is observation time. No reason to wait for the offseason. Start now.[/quote]

This O-line looks pretty bad, but they would be more than serviceable with better coaching, a better game plan, and a QB who doesn't put the ball in his pocket. NYG had like four practice squad O-linemen, and they had a game plan for that. It can be done, you just have to have a Coach who knows what he's doing.

EB better not sniff interim HC. He's already in over his head, and has proven he does not have the wherewithal to make one adjustment. Adding the actual Head Coaching duties to his plate and you expect the offense to get better?

Calling Dotson a bust is no different than the CY is a bust talk - it's not accurate. Does he have two drops in seven games or something like that? Scary Terry had one last night too...

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1349817]Yesterday was definitively on the OL - 5 out of the 6 sacks were on them. The OL is a problem that has been getting worse and will take probably years to fix at this point (4 of 5 of our starters would not start on any other team and a couple possibly would not even make a roster outside the Redskins). The OL player quality has deteriorated every single year since Ron became coach which has resulted in this year the Skins having the worst line in their history and probably the worst line in the NFL for this season.[/QUOTE]


Yesterday was absolutely on the line. Sam was barely taking two step drops and there were multiple defenders in his face. Gates and Wylie might be the two worst free agent acquisitions I remember. They have both been God awful. Leno too. Cosmi might be a keeper. The new regime is going to have their work cut out there. Than there is LB (two), TE, CB, and maybe QB. Lots of holes. Zero depth in a lot of areas. Ron has really done a lot of damage pretending to be a GM.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1349818]This O-line looks pretty bad, but they would be more than serviceable with better coaching, a better game plan, and a QB who doesn't put the ball in his pocket. NYG had like four practice squad O-linemen, and they had a game plan for that. It can be done, you just have to have a Coach who knows what he's doing.

EB better not sniff interim HC. He's already in over his head, and has proven he does not have the wherewithal to make one adjustment. Adding the actual Head Coaching duties to his plate and you expect the offense to get better?

Calling Dotson a bust is no different than the CY is a bust talk - it's not accurate. Does he have two drops in seven games or something like that? Scary Terry had one last night too...[/QUOTE]


Dotson doesn’t just have drops, he isn’t getting open either.

I don’t expect anything to get better on either side of the ball this year. This year is over. So why not see how players respond to EB? What is the worst thing that can happen? We wind up with 4 wins instead of 6? JDR certainly shouldn’t be interim. So who is it going to be?

It comes down to ride out the season with Ron knowing it is his last or giving EB a shot. I just don’t want those decisions to be made after the season without knowing.

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[quote=mredskins;1349808]it would answer the question is the problem the line or sam

if brissett comes in and the sacks go down; well....[/quote]

I don’t need anyone to play QB to know Wylie and Charles are not starters in this league. Cosmi wasn’t good yesterday. Gates clearly allowed the first sack.

Leno is a starter but inconsistent run blocking.

The Oline is very much a huge problem.

A non existent run game is very much a big problem.

Yes Sam played bad and he is now hearing steps in the pocket from the hits, but a majority of this was caused by a bad oline mismanagement from Ron and EB playcalling and poor run game

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[quote=PorkSkins;1349805]Perfectly said, Chief. I'll say it again, this is a bottom 5 coaching staff in the league. The head coach, and defensive and offensive coordinators are horrendous. As much as I wanna like Bieneimy; he has been as bad or worst than JDR. I don't want Bieneimy nowhere near the interim head coach. I mean zero interest.[/quote]

No way there are even 4 worse coaching staffs. This staff does less with more, than other bad teams. The Bears gangbanged us, the Bears!!! And the HC is the GM, and he's even worse in that role*.

Every single person below the executive staff should be fired no later than 3 days after Week 17.

Get a GM, hopefully hire a young HC, like Johnson from the Lions, fix the OL, and get a DC that has more than 1 play in his playbook.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349822]No way there are even 4 worse coaching staffs. This staff does less with more, than other bad teams. The Bears gangbanged us, the Bears!!! And the HC is the GM, and he's even worse in that roll.

Every single person below the executive staff should be fired no later than 3 days after Week 17.

Get a GM, hopefully hire a young HC, like Johnson from the Lions, fix the OL, and get a DC that has more than 1 play in his playbook.[/quote]

Oh! This very well could be [I]the[/I] worst staff in the league. I just used "bottom five" as a barometer. Unless the season miraculously turn around, this staff will be fired in December or right after the final game of the season. Take it to the bank!

Rivera and JDR will officially retire as I highly doubt anyone will hire them, and Bieneimy will end up as a positional coach somewhere. All remaining coaches and upper management from the Snyder "error" needs to hit the road after the season.

I think we'll be fine once the stench is outta the building.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1349822]No way there are even 4 worse coaching staffs. This staff does less with more, than other bad teams. The Bears gangbanged us, the Bears!!! And the HC is the GM, and he's even worse in that roll.

Every single person below the executive staff should be fired no later than 3 days after Week 17.

Get a GM, hopefully hire a young HC, like Johnson from the Lions, fix the OL, and get a DC that has more than 1 play in his playbook.[/QUOTE]


This is the one silver lining that we all need to be clinging to. For the first time in years we can actually seriously entertain real coaches, gm’s, etc.

This bunch of slobs running the show now was the best Snyder could get.

This year was fools gold. Snyder may have left, but his stink remains. Cannot wait to fumigate!

Last year when we knew we were a crap team again the biggest problem was Snyder is never going anywhere and nobody is going to come here who is better than anyone we got.

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[quote=Chico23231;1349821]I don’t need anyone to play QB to know Wylie and Charles are not starters in this league. Cosmi wasn’t good yesterday. Gates clearly allowed the first sack.

Leno is a starter but inconsistent run blocking.

The Oline is very much a huge problem.

A non existent run game is very much a big problem.

Yes Sam played bad and he is now hearing steps in the pocket from the hits, but a majority of this was caused by a bad oline mismanagement from Ron and EB playcalling and poor run game[/quote]

I second this opinion, well said

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You can throw Gates in there. He looks like a practice squad type of player. Lawrence manhandled him all day long.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1349825]I second this opinion, well said[/quote]

I would flat out trade our starting 5 OL for any other teams, straight up, no player evaluations needed. I cannot stand watching these bums.

Hit the fucking weights and drink some protein shakes. Our offensive line is soft as fuck. They get bullied in the run game and bullied in the passing game. That's hard to work with even for a good OC, but E.B. clearly either cannot or will not make adjustments to it. I mean, we basically need to run a freshman high school offense. Nothing more than 3 step drops and get the ball out. the only deep plays should be quick fades or quick seems down the middle. We cannot do any slow developing plays with our bums up front.

This is our line. Gates is so weak, he actually got bumped out of the picture w/o even being touched.

[IMG]https://image.winudf.com/v2/image1/Y29tLmZhc2hpb25zdHlsZWZvci5mYXRfbWVuX3NjcmVlbl80XzE1NTQ4Mzk4MDVfMDU3/screen-4.jpg?fakeurl=1&type=.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1349829]You can throw Gates in there. He looks like a practice squad type of player. Lawrence manhandled him all day long.[/quote]

He just destroyed him all game long. He made Lawrence look like Prime Reggie White.

A terrible signing. He shouldn't even be on the team, let alone starting. He's now making Wylie not look half bad lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1349824]This is the one silver lining that we all need to be clinging to. For the first time in years we can actually seriously entertain real coaches, gm’s, etc.

This bunch of slobs running the show now was the best Snyder could get.

This year was fools gold. Snyder may have left, but his stink remains. Cannot wait to fumigate![/quote]

Honestly I'm ready for the season to be over already

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349834]Honestly I'm ready for the season to be over already[/quote]

It is over, we just still have to play some more games so other teams can add wins to their playoff resumes.

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Wylie and Charles, 1 and 2 in pressures allowed in the league. Cosmi top ten as well. Three guys from the same oline in the top ten in pressures allowed. That is all time bad.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349838]It is over, we just still have to play some more games so other teams can add wins to their playoff resumes.[/quote]

I hope we finish 5-12 and get a top 5 pick

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Oh and Jamian Davis is trash. Another terrible pick by Ron. BSJ also deserves to be called out. Dude gets absolutely burnt deep on a weekly basis.

By my count we need
5 lineman. Maybe Stromberg is a good C [emoji2371]
Maybe a WR-2 if Jahan “Doctson” keeps it up.
Maybe a QB, clearly the jury is still out on Sam.
TE
That is basically almost our entire O minus a couple backs and wr’s. Not good.


3 LB’s
1 or 2 CB’s
1 Safety

Obviously a new staff and FO.

What an absolute shambles, and all of it is on Ron the HC/GM.

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My son (14 packers fan) said yesterday “Dang dad we suck now that Rodgers left, how have you been a fan of Washington your whole life”

I said idk son lol


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1349822]No way there are even 4 worse coaching staffs. This staff does less with more, than other bad teams. The Bears gangbanged us, the Bears!!! And the HC is the GM, and he's even worse in that role*.

Every single person below the executive staff should be fired no later than 3 days after Week 17.

Get a GM, hopefully hire a young HC, like Johnson from the Lions, fix the OL, and get a DC that has more than 1 play in his playbook.[/quote]

I would love to see a draft evaluation of RRs tenure. Other than his first year when we got Young, Gibson, Charles, Hudson and Curl has he had an above average draft at all? So far I feel the last 2 years of 1st and 2nd rounders have been non impact players. Dotson has had moments but my expectation is a first rounder = immediate impact player

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349842]My son (14 packers fan) said yesterday “Dang dad we suck now that Rodgers left, how have you been a fan of Washington your whole life”

I said idk son lol


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I think it is safe to say GB will be going for a QB in draft or FA this off season.

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the #1 priority is o-line. the defense is bad but they gave up 14 yesterday. i think w/ a better coach/scheme they can be middle of the pack. if we had martindale we could be a top 10 or 12 defense.

there is no hope for the offense when you have the guys we have. they need to go o-line in rounds 1 through 4 of the draft plus bring in 2 free agents.

with this staff they don't seem to start coaching until the 2nd h. it's fucking weird. it's like they have no sense of urgency at all. ny had their back up qb ( who outplayed our starter) and no practice squad players on the o-line and had 240 yards in the first h. how do you explain that? did the offense convert one first down all day? this is high school shit.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1349846]the #1 priority is o-line. the defense is bad but they gave up 14 yesterday. i think w/ a better coach/scheme they can be middle of the pack. if we had martindale we could be a top 10 or 12 defense.

there is no hope for the offense when you have the guys we have. they need to go o-line in rounds 1 through 4 of the draft plus bring in 2 free agents.

with this staff they don't seem to start coaching until the 2nd h. it's fucking weird. it's like they have no sense of urgency at all. ny had their back up qb ( who outplayed our starter) and no practice squad players on the o-line and had 240 yards in the first h. how do you explain that? did the offense convert one first down all day? this is high school shit.[/quote]

Too many other holes to do that but I don't disagree w you.

OL
LB
TE
QB (Maybe)
RB

Are all HUGE Needs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349848]Too many other holes to do that but I don't disagree w you.

OL
LB
TE
QB (Maybe)
RB

Are all HUGE Needs[/quote]

I am also curious how they will handle Young and Sweat. Edge might be an area of need too. Honestly this off season is shaping up top be a perfect opportunity for a restructuring of the team and franchise.

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[quote=punch it in;1349839]Wylie and Charles, 1 and 2 in pressures allowed in the league. Cosmi top ten as well. Three guys from the same oline in the top ten in pressures allowed. That is all time bad.[/quote]

That is absolutely amazing in the most disgusting way possible.

No QB can succeed with both guards get their asses fucking kicked all day, every day. And Gates constantly gets demolished too, as we saw yesterday.

And there is definitely no way Howell can succeed as a young QB that struggles with getting the ball out quickly, even if we had the Chiefs line.

Here's our Charles, Gates, Cosmi pocket every pass play:

[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/TgI82cyv2haUubdAzK/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349848]Too many other holes to do that but I don't disagree w you.

OL
LB
TE
QB (Maybe)
RB

Are all HUGE Needs[/quote]

I think the backs we have are fine. They just need better blocking. Gibson has already gained 1,000 yards yet now he is barely in the game. The rotation of the backs is flat out stupid af. You drafted BR to be the guy. Give him the ball. 20 times. If they've soured on him then put in Rod and give him 20. This is why you don't draft RB's high. They can be found late. Throw Gibson the ball and put him out against a LB. It's just basic shit.

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We absolutely must spend 2 of our 1st 3 picks on the OL, and 3 of our 1st 5 (at a minimum). Use the other 2 for LB's. Then use the last 2 for some depth pieces. Even if Chase or Sweat leaves, we're going to keep 1, I think we can be OK there, especially if we keep Toohill.

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[QUOTE=irish;1349800]People in Pittsburgh think Tomlin & Canada suck and want them gone.[/QUOTE]


I’d take Tomlin in a heartbeat. Spoiled Steelers fans. Let’s trade them every head coach we’ve had for the last 30 years (save Gibbs) for Tomlin. We’d still come out ahead.


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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1349823]Oh! This very well could be [I]the[/I] worst staff in the league. I just used "bottom five" as a barometer. Unless the season miraculously turn around, this staff will be fired in December or right after the final game of the season. Take it to the bank!

Rivera and JDR will officially retire as I highly doubt anyone will hire them, and Bieneimy will end up as a positional coach somewhere. All remaining coaches and upper management from the Snyder "error" needs to hit the road after the season.

I think we'll be fine once the stench is outta the building.[/QUOTE]


What staff could be worse? Seriously, other than playing hard against a good Eagles team, we’ve been pretty dreadful and unprepared all season. The Bears and Cards - two talent depleted teams - are showing a lot more fight than we do.


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[quote=calia;1349855]I’d take Tomlin in a heartbeat. Spoiled Steelers fans. Let’s trade them every head coach we’ve had for the last 30 years (save Gibbs) for Tomlin. We’d still come out ahead.

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Give me Tomlin, with a new/fresh OC, with a smile on my face. Steelers be hogging their coaches forever though. He's gotta be due for a fresh start by now. Fucking Steelers fans, eating shrimp and lobster every year, pretending like its Top Ramen.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1349844]I would love to see a draft evaluation of RRs tenure. Other than his first year when we got Young, Gibson, Charles, Hudson and Curl has he had an above average draft at all? So far I feel the last 2 years of 1st and 2nd rounders have been non impact players. Dotson has had moments but my expectation is a first rounder = immediate impact player[/QUOTE]


Even that first year. Gibson is like in between a back and wr. Hard to really utilize the guy and he fumbles. Charles is garbage. Hudson is i don’t even know. Curl was a great late round steal that was most likely luck.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1349846]the #1 priority is o-line. the defense is bad but they gave up 14 yesterday. i think w/ a better coach/scheme they can be middle of the pack. if we had martindale we could be a top 10 or 12 defense.

there is no hope for the offense when you have the guys we have. they need to go o-line in rounds 1 through 4 of the draft plus bring in 2 free agents.

with this staff they don't seem to start coaching until the 2nd h. it's fucking weird. it's like they have no sense of urgency at all. ny had their back up qb ( who outplayed our starter) and no practice squad players on the o-line and had 240 yards in the first h. how do you explain that? did the offense convert one first down all day? this is high school shit.[/QUOTE]


It is preparation. It is knowing and understanding your opponent before kickoff. It is, in a nutshell, coaching. It isn’t weird to me. Ron is a loser as a HC all these years for a reason. We see it week after week after year after year. Like someone said yesterday it is as if he is familiarizing himself with the other team based on what he sees after kickoff. It is absurd. So he is either A) not preparing at all, or B) just way off base with his game plan. And what makes it worse is the mother fucker has the nerve to preach focus and attention to details to his players!!!! Look in the fuckin mirror Ron!

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Ron was all mad about a call yesterday which I’m glad he actually showed life but dude you can’t be mad when your team sucks every week. Bad calls will happen but that’s not an excuse to shit the bed week in and out


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1349861]Ron was all mad about a call yesterday which I’m glad he actually showed life but dude you can’t be mad when your team sucks every week. Bad calls will happen but that’s not an excuse to shit the bed week in and out

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I was proud of him. That was his best work of the season. I didn't know gargoyles could move.

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Here's a stat that seems to have been lost in the overall incompetence...

"Washington's defense has recorded 3 or more sacks in six out of seven games to start a season for the first time in franchise history."

:saywhat:

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1349861]Ron was all mad about a call yesterday which I’m glad he actually showed life but dude you can’t be mad when your team sucks every week. Bad calls will happen but that’s not an excuse to shit the bed week in and out


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It was a crap call. I was at a bar with all Giants fans. They were all cracking up going yo check Ron out! Riverboats mad as hell!

It was funny. I guess it is common knowledge he is a statue.

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[QUOTE=davy;1349864]Here's a stat that seems to have been lost in the overall incompetence...

"Washington's defense has recorded 3 or more sacks in six out of seven games to start a season for the first time in franchise history."

:saywhat:[/QUOTE]


Yeah. Every bad team ever has something to hang their hat on. Unfortunately we gave up 34 and 40 in two of those studly defensive efforts and lost.