Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1354361]Of course RR should be gone to he is part of the culture.[/quote]

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Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1354363][IMG]https://media1.giphy.com/media/1wkShd8MmKckkgW4Vf/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Yes

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Giantone;1354359]He isn't the HC that should fall on him not EB.[/quote]

The guy sucks. End of story. Stop trying to keep him here to better your division record next year.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Giantone;1354348]So why the big difference, why does KC think he is great and miss him but he comes to Washington and according to some suck and it's all his fault?[/quote]

They are professionals for the media. Classy folks, see above post and exit stage left on this convo. Otherwise cheers mate

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

Eric Bieniemy is why Chiefs are missing accountability on Kadarius Toney penalty

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eric-bieniemy-is-why-chiefs-are-missing-accountability-on-kadarius-toney-penalty/ar-AA1lvYhS?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=57299e13ce844daf9faf9b17e308610b&ei=57[/url]

Eric Bieniemy handled accountability with the Chiefs

"Yeah, I mean, it's a combination of a lot of guys," Mahomes explained. "I think Coach Bieniemy set that standard when he was here. And I think you could see those lingering effects of the other coaches who have coached underneath EB (Eric Bieniemy) and then coach Nagy. I mean, I coached with EB, been an offensive coordinator before, and QB coach last year, We hold each other accountable; the coaches hold us accountable. But obviously, we've made some mistakes that we don't typically make, and we're gonna try to correct those as quickly as possible."

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Just playing devil's advocate here (since I'm on the fire everyone and rebuild camp):

How would people feel if the new GM decides to hire EB as the HC, knowing that this would mean that Sam would continue to be QB1?

Again, not saying EB should be the new HC or advocating for it. I'm just curious what people would think of that scenario, given that there are strong opinions about sticking with Howell.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1354382]Just playing devil's advocate here (since I'm on the fire everyone and rebuild camp):

How would people feel if the new GM decides to hire EB as the HC, knowing that this would mean that Sam would continue to be QB1?

Again, not saying EB should be the new HC or advocating for it. I'm just curious what people would think of that scenario, given that there are strong opinions about sticking with Howell.[/quote]

Todd Bowles as DC and see if they could work together to get this team right. I wouldn’t hate it. Too me, it’s all about the GM.

Funny as it seems, I think GM has been the biggest issue in Danny tenure. Got to get that right more than anything else.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1354382]Just playing devil's advocate here (since I'm on the fire everyone and rebuild camp):

How would people feel if the new GM decides to hire EB as the HC, knowing that this would mean that Sam would continue to be QB1?

Again, not saying EB should be the new HC or advocating for it. I'm just curious what people would think of that scenario, given that there are strong opinions about sticking with Howell.[/quote]

Only an idiot would hire EB as HC.

We've had enough idiots in the building, how about we hire someone who actually has a clue?

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

Bears can have EB, I’ll take the compensatory 3rd rounder we’ll get when it happens.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Giantone;1354348]So why the big difference, why does KC think he is great and miss him but he comes to Washington and according to some suck and it's all his fault?[/quote]

Because while EB instilled that discipline and that standard, notice Reid still called the plays?

It’s not like he brings nothing to the table but his former head coach never felt comfortable turning over those reigns. That says something too.

I think EB is a hardass but not that bright. We’re not talking McVay or Shanahan’s strategic thinking here.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Schneed10;1354390]Bears can have EB, I’ll take the compensatory 3rd rounder we’ll get when it happens.[/quote]

That is a point to consider. Don't fire him at the end of the season even if you don't want him as HC give him permission to interview for HC here and elsewhere.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1354382]Just playing devil's advocate here (since I'm on the fire everyone and rebuild camp):

How would people feel if the new GM decides to hire EB as the HC, knowing that this would mean that Sam would continue to be QB1?

Again, not saying EB should be the new HC or advocating for it. I'm just curious what people would think of that scenario, given that there are strong opinions about sticking with Howell.[/quote]

If it is that scenario I am fine with it. I don’t want to see keep EB OC then hire a GM and a head coach and I don’t want to see hire EB as HC then a GM

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Schneed10;1354391]Because while EB instilled that discipline and that standard, notice Reid still called the plays?

It’s not like he brings nothing to the table but his former head coach never felt comfortable turning over those reigns. That says something too.

I think EB is a hardass but not that bright. We’re not talking McVay or Shanahan’s strategic thinking here.[/quote]

I like this logic - EB might harp on paying attention to detail but that doesn't mean he's playing chess as a playcaller - using the run to setup playaction or running 5 different plays out of the same look. He's definitely not an elite playcaller.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

Let em go with the rest of them

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[quote=mooby;1354410]I like this logic - EB might harp on paying attention to detail but that doesn't mean he's playing chess as a playcaller - using the run to setup playaction or running 5 different plays out of the same look. He's definitely not an elite playcaller.[/quote]

How can he not be an elite play caller when he designed KC's offense to top 5 success for 5 plus years ? I think the problem he has in Washington is the players being crybabies and EB being in his first year in WASHINGTON.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Schneed10;1354391[B]]Because while EB instilled that discipline and that standard, notice Reid still called the plays?[/B]

It’s not like he brings nothing to the table but his former head coach never felt comfortable turning over those reigns. That says something too.

I think EB is a hardass but not that bright. We’re not talking McVay or Shanahan’s strategic thinking here.[/quote]

Not according to Andy Reid .

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1354418]How can he not be an elite play caller when he designed KC's offense to top 5 success for 5 plus years ? I think the problem he has in Washington is the players being crybabies and EB being in his first year in WASHINGTON.[/quote]

In 1999 Andy Reid took an interview with Philly and he brought a massive book that detailed exactly how he'd run every facet of the operation.

Everywhere he's been a head coach he's ran quality offenses with quarterbacks from McNabb to Alex Smith to Mahomes. Long before Bieniemy ever got an interview for a HC job.

And yet you want me to believe Bieniemy was the real brains behind the operation?

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1354418]How can he not be an elite play caller when he designed KC's offense to top 5 success for 5 plus years ? I think the problem he has in Washington is the players being crybabies and EB being in his first year in WASHINGTON.[/quote]


Matt Nagy and Doug Peterson built that offense for Andy Reid.
Nagy was hired by the bears and EB took over as OC.
EB inherited Mahomes and that offense.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=mooby;1354423]In 1999 Andy Reid took an interview with Philly and he brought a massive book that detailed exactly how he'd run every facet of the operation.

Everywhere he's been a head coach he's ran quality offenses with quarterbacks from McNabb to Alex Smith to Mahomes. Long before Bieniemy ever got an interview for a HC job.

And yet you want me to believe Bieniemy was the real brains behind the operation?[/quote]


EB was the OC that worked with that offense......whether he used Reid's plays or drew up his own plays EB deserves some credit.....despite EB not getting a head coaching job even Reid himself praised EB.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=jamf;1354425]Matt Nagy and Doug Peterson built that offense for Andy Reid.
Nagy was hired by the bears and EB took over as OC.
EB inherited Mahomes and that offense.[/quote]


Despite all of that none of us can grade how bad or how good EB truly is as a OC can't truly be determined until the OL is fixed and the offense truly develops continuity.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1354426]EB was the OC that worked with that offense......whether he used Reid's plays or drew up his own plays EB deserves some credit.....despite EB not getting a head coaching job even Reid himself praised EB.[/quote]

I do give him credit, he is a stickler for perfection and attention to detail. I have no issues with his coaching style. I just don't think he's an elite playcaller. Good? Yes. Better than Scott Turner for sure. On Andy Reid's level? No.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=mooby;1354429]I do give him credit, he is a stickler for perfection and attention to detail. I have no issues with his coaching style. I just don't think he's an elite playcaller. Good? Yes. Better than Scott Turner for sure. On Andy Reid's level? No.[/quote]


I respect that assessment......I think if EB called a much more balanced mix of run and pass instead of calling so many pass plays he will grow as a play caller.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

I'd like to have seen EB as interim HC from, say, week 8. Seen what he can do. Then we'd have a better picture now. All we've learned this season and especially since JDR was sacked, is that RR is not a capable HC (or GM) in the modern NFL. To me this season has been a waste and could at least have avoided being a total waste.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1354544]I'd like to have seen EB as interim HC from, say, week 8. Seen what he can do. Then we'd have a better picture now. All we've learned this season and especially since JDR was sacked, is that RR is not a capable HC (or GM) in the modern NFL. To me this season has been a waste and could at least have avoided being a total waste.[/quote]

The whole point of this season for Harris was to assess the team and determine if Ron and the current coaching staff were worth keeping (they are not). To us as fans it may have been a "waste" but not for ownership.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=AnonEmouse;1354544]I'd like to have seen EB as interim HC from, say, week 8. Seen what he can do. Then we'd have a better picture now. All we've learned this season and especially since JDR was sacked, is that RR is not a capable HC (or GM) in the modern NFL. To me this season has been a waste and could at least have avoided being a total waste.[/quote]

I know that us wishing for the HC to be fired midseason is ironically such a Dan Snyder move, but I can't understand why this situation didn't warrant it. This isn't Dan Snyder getting impulsive and firing a guy in year two. This was watching Ron Rivera do Ron Rivera stuff. His squad this year is downright garbage and it is shocking because usually a veteran HC isn't embarrassingly bad like this. I will still never understand what anyone thought they were getting when RR was hired here. I remember people talking about superbowls, running the tables, etc, just like we do every time a new HC is hired. To me it seemed obvious that he would be just a guy who wasn't horrible but wasn't going to be good, if that makes any sense. But this year he has been abysmally bad. And once it was common knowledge that Snyder was selling, I figured everyone felt like he wouldn't be here with new ownership.

He probably truthfully should have been fired after the Thanksgiving massacre against Dallas.

Because of keeping RR until the season's end, we will now never know if EB could even be a capable HC because he will be gone now.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

Harris said he was giving Ron the season and he stuck to his word, I've got no problem with that.

EB hasn't even shown he's a capable enough OC, I don't see what he's done to think he would have been any better as HC.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=MTK;1354624]Harris said he was giving Ron the season and he stuck to his word, I've got no problem with that.

EB hasn't even shown he's a capable enough OC, I don't see what he's done to think he would have been any better as HC.[/quote]

20PPG...

Thats not good

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

Couple out going shots:

[url]https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1744183039448527109[/url]

[url]https://heavy.com/sports/washington-commanders/eric-bieniemy-logan-thomas-ron-rivera/[/url]

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

With a whole new front office and HC coming in, EB is all but gone


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Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

The offense was a failure on most accounts.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1356658]The offense was a failure on most accounts.[/quote]

EB is the biggest fraud

The guy's only calling in life is too help teams check off the Rooney rule when they are searching for a coach.

At some point the NFL will write in a clause saying ERIC BIENIEMY DOESN'T COUNT FOR YOUR MINORITY INTERVIEW; WE ALL KNOW NO ONE IS EVER HIRING HIM

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

The lack of run game was awful, i'm cool with pass heavy but shit mix in some runs here and there.. When you pass that much with a young QB and SHIT OL , you will have those 24 TO's from the QB.

Sorry but I won't be mad to see him gone

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

We should have been a heavy run focused offense this year with Robinson/Gibson/Rodriguez. Leading the league in pass attempts with a QB totally not suited for that volume was completely ridiculous.

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The worst part was it was obvious, and there was zero attempt to change the approach. I bet Sam would have thrown half as many INTs, if EB would have adjusted the game plan. Not to mention all the sacks he took.

We literally ranked #7 in the league in rushing yards per attempt.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=MTK;1356690][B]We should have been a heavy run focused offense this year with Robinson/Gibson/Rodriguez. [/B] Leading the league in pass attempts with a QB totally not suited for that volume was completely ridiculous.[/quote]

That was the talk after last season ended, we were going to be a run first offence according to Rivera and Mayhew, then rocket scientist Ron hires an OC who wants to throw the ball 50 times a game and Ron says nothing.

:banghead:

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1356690]We should have been a heavy run focused offense this year with Robinson/Gibson/Rodriguez. Leading the league in pass attempts with a QB totally not suited for that volume was completely ridiculous.[/QUOTE]


Mix in some play action too. EB calls plays for Mahomes and unless he goes back to KC he’s gonna be screwed. He will most likely never have a QB / TE / WR Trio again like he had in KC


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Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1356694]

We literally ranked #7 in the league in rushing yards per attempt.[/quote]

What made it so infuriating all season, though I do wonder how much of that average was from a matter of sheer surprise and shock on the part of the defense.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

[quote=EdmundDorf;1356700]What made it so infuriating all season, though I do wonder how much of that average was from a matter of sheer surprise and shock on the part of the defense.[/quote]

LOL. His disrespectful treatment of players as much as his ridiculously pass-happy play calling will not be a fit for the new organization. One way or another, he won't be with the Commanders for the 2024 season. I'd bet the rent money on that.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

He has no business running an NFL offense. On top of that he seems have crappy people skills and is a tyrant. That may have worked a long time ago but it doesn't fly today.

Re: Eric Bieniemy
 

This is what drives me nuts.
EB went into the year with 3 running backs over 225Lbs.
If you are going to try to implement the Andy Reid Scheme, you need punt returner type backs like a Pacheco or a McCoy.

Robinson and Gibson did respectable jobs but they aren't game breakers.

The other downfall of this system is all of your backs and TE's are going out for passes.
The Oline has zero help from TE or RBs picking up blitzes. They made it easy to overload one side and get a guy free.
Sam does a horrible job recognizing where the free guy is coming from so it's an easy way to disrupt the play.

There's no excuses for EB or any of these coaches.