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Panthers lost B Burns and F Luvu - that's gonna hurt.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360021]Panthers lost B Burns and F Luvu - that's gonna hurt.[/quote]

With a shithead owner there it’s going to be tough to keep top talent

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[quote=MTK;1359945]Just name the business of sports Hall after Kirk.

@spotrac
With $100M guaranteed on his 4 year, $180M contract with the #Falcons, Kirk Cousins has now ensured over $330M in career earnings.

Kirk Cousins' bank account is elite.[/quote]

Dude has been able to fleece two teams into paying him elite money while mediocre play and only in the regular season.

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[quote=MTK;1360024]With a shithead owner there it’s going to be tough to keep top talent[/quote]

True! We know all about that, don't we?

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1360025]Dude has been able to fleece two teams into paying him elite money while mediocre play and only in the regular season.[/QUOTE]


A true businessman.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1360025]Dude has been able to fleece two teams into paying him elite money while mediocre play and only in the regular season.[/quote]

That is just sour grapes. His play has been elite, just not successful in getting to the Superbowl (wouldn't be the 1st and probably not the last elite QB in that boat).

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I'd say above average, not elite, and I love to see kirk succeed.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1360029]That is just sour grapes. His play has been elite, just not successful in getting to the Superbowl (wouldn't be the 1st and probably not the last elite QB in that boat).[/QUOTE]Cousins' stats are elite and that's what has gotten him paid. But I don't think you can be considered an elite QB with a 1-4 career playoff record.

That said, I think this is best chance to go all the way with Atlanta. They have an offensively loaded team. I don't know how good is their defense, but I'm sure Raheem Morris will make them good if they are not.

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Cousins game has improved, you don't see as many of the glaring errors that marred his time in DC. But he is coming off an ACL, and I don't think you can assume he will come back at the same level. It is quite a gamble for Atlanta.

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solid signings so far, ekeler being maybe the only borderline one (since RBs age in dog years). If he hasn't lost a step, he'd be an upgrade on the gibson spot (6td/5fumbles last year though).

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1360038]Cousins game has improved, you don't see as many of the glaring errors that marred his time in DC. But he is coming off an ACL, and I don't think you can assume he will come back at the same level. It is quite a gamble for Atlanta.

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Achilles, not ACL. And it's not like he's a running QB. No reason, barring his arm strength dropping off, to suggest he won't be physically capable.

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the Justin fields situation is getting interesting, not many suitors left

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[quote=mredskins;1360048]the Justin fields situation is getting interesting, not many suitors left[/quote]

Everyone knows/assumes they're drafting CW so his trade value is low while there are FAs available.

Falcons and Steelers probably felt known quantity in a vet (or plain cheap) Better than reaching in the draft. Interesting thing will be whether Steelers think Pickett is redeemable? Are they both just waiting on 25 or 26 draft to go QB again?

Reckon Fields goes to the AFC, Jets (upgrade on Wilson as backup/future starter), Broncos or Pats (though they probably draft QB).

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1360054][B]Everyone knows/assumes they're drafting CW so his trade value is low while there are FAs available.
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Falcons and Steelers probably felt known quantity in a vet (or plain cheap) Better than reaching in the draft. Interesting thing will be whether Steelers think Pickett is redeemable? Are they both just waiting on 25 or 26 draft to go QB again?

Reckon Fields goes to the AFC, Jets (upgrade on Wilson as backup/future starter), Broncos or Pats (though they probably draft QB).[/quote]

not sure that sets the market, it was more the teams interested in fields that would set his value and that number has diminished

i think LV grabs him and he competes with Gardner

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Let's end with a quarterback whose market might have closed before it ever opened. Heading into the weekend, it seemed like Fields might be the solution in a number of places. He's in limbo as the Bears appear destined to draft a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick. Cousins was going to be the most prominent domino, but there were a handful of teams that could easily justify taking a shot on Fields' upside versus the other options available.

One by one, those options fell by the wayside. Before the tampering period opened, the Steelers signed Wilson and the Bucs brought back Mayfield. Two potential landing spots for Fields were gone before Monday even began.

It got worse. The Falcons, who had been perhaps the team most heavily linked to Fields, won their bidding war for Cousins. The Raiders, who hired former Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy, signed Gardner Minshew to a two-year, $25 million deal. The potential of a bridge job in New England went by the wayside when the Pats added Brissett. The Vikings loomed as an unlikely-but-logical trade candidate, but they seemed to signal their desire to go in a different direction by signing Darnold.

If we assume the top three teams in the draft are taking quarterbacks, there's only one starting job left. That's in Denver, where the Broncos saw Fields complete his first 16 passes and throw for four touchdowns last season before eventually fumbling away a late lead. Most observers have linked Sean Payton & Co. to a quarterback in April's draft, and they already have Jarrett Stidham on site as a potential bridge starter or primary backup. I haven't spoken to many people around the NFL who felt like Fields was a great fit for a Payton offense, and Denver doesn't seem to be a likely landing spot.

If not Denver, though, where does Fields end up? You could suggest the Giants and Titans should consider bringing him in as part of a potential quarterback competition in camp, although they're both invested in other quarterbacks and aren't likely to give up the sort of draft capital the Bears were hoping to land as part of a Fields pact. Maybe you stretch that idea further and consider the Browns or Seahawks as possible landing spots, but that would really be more as a backup. None of those teams are going to be picking up his fifth-year option, which means he's coming in as a one-year rental.

Is there a point when the Bears should just consider holding on to Fields? Maybe. He has his supporters in Chicago, although it's difficult to imagine the fan base clamoring for him to step back in during Caleb Williams' rookie season. The Bears would decline Fields' fifth-year option and pay him $3.2 million to serve as the backup in 2024 before losing him in free agency; that could produce a modest compensatory pick, although I would suspect they would offset that pick by signing free agents themselves. Having Fields as the backup would be useful, but it would only be the best use of resources if they weren't able to land any sort of meaningful draft compensation for him via trade.

Unfortunately for Fields, the best thing for the Bears to do might be wait. While he isn't going to get a Sam Bradford-style first-round pick for Fields, general manager Ryan Poles might want to hold onto the quarterback until after the draft to see whether a team such as the Broncos fails to land a rookie quarterback or into camp to see if someone loses a signal-caller to injury. That's not going to be the best thing for Fields' development, but at this point, I'm not sure he has a clear path to regular work anywhere.

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If the Bears were serious about drafting Caleb Williams, you would think they would have been more serious about trading Fields before the start of free agency. Their asking price must be unreasonable.

Weird situation at the moment - even more weird than it's been the last few months...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360061]If the Bears were serious about drafting Caleb Williams, you would think they would have been more serious about trading Fields before the start of free agency. Their asking price must be unreasonable.

Weird situation at the moment - even more weird than it's been the last few months...[/quote]

I think they outsmarted themselves, it was reported at the time of the combine that they were waiting for a team to miss out on a QB in free agency so they could get a better return from a panicking team. If true, Fields must be fuming right now.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360064]I think they outsmarted themselves, it was reported at the time of the combine that they were waiting for a team to miss out on a QB in free agency so they could get a better return from a panicking team. If true, Fields must be fuming right now.[/quote]

the Bears are one of the if not worst run teams in this league, no wonder there are rumors CW wants no part of them, i have full confidence whom ever they draft is doomed.

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[quote=nonniey;1360029]That is just sour grapes. His play has been elite, just not successful in getting to the Superbowl (wouldn't be the 1st and probably not the last elite QB in that boat).[/quote]

Elite? ROFL.

Cousins is the king of garbage time stats. I'll upgrade his play from mediocre to above average that but that's it. Man isn't clutch at all though.

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He’s not elite, but he’s not mediocre either. The truth is in the middle somewhere.

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Mooney to ATL... kirk, Bijan, London, Pitts and mooney.. looks good on paper.

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[quote=Meks;1360117]Mooney to ATL... kirk, Bijan, London, Pitts and mooney.. looks good on paper.[/quote]

the bears are just painful

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360061]If the Bears were serious about drafting Caleb Williams, you would think they would have been more serious about trading Fields before the start of free agency. Their asking price must be unreasonable.

Weird situation at the moment - even more weird than it's been the last few months...[/quote]


My guess is they looking something along the lines of a 2nd rounder + 4th or 5th round pick to go along with it. It's about the right compensation. I think the Panthers paid this for Sam Darnold. Chiefs got Alex Smith for two 2nd rounders. So probably somewhere along those lines.

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henry to the ravens

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[quote=mredskins;1360127]henry to the ravens[/quote]

Lamar’s going to love that.

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[quote=Are Jay;1360133]Lamar’s going to love that.[/quote]

he is not 2020 d henry; i would have kept gus edwards

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[quote=mredskins;1360135]he is not 2020 d henry; i would have kept gus edwards[/quote]

But he's not going to be RB1, so this is a good situation for Henry. JK Dobbin is RB1 in Baltimore.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360014]A lot of interior linemen going off the board today, and no tackles as of yet - that I'm aware of.[/quote]

Giants signed one from the Raiders.


Jermaine Eluemunor:

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[quote=mredskins;1360135]he is not 2020 d henry; i would have kept gus edwards[/quote]

Even if it's 2024 Henry, I will always choose Henry over Edwards all day.

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Eagles close to agreement with Justin Simmons. Great.

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queen to steelers

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Hunter to Texans. Ouch he was my top target for the Redskins.

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[QUOTE=Meks;1360140]Eagles close to agreement with Justin Simmons. Great.[/QUOTE]


Eagles have lost a lot and gained a fair bit. They’ll be an interesting team. Dallas is sitting idle - it’s weird. The rest of the NFCE has been active. Maybe someone needs to tell Jerry that FA has actually begun. (Or not.)


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Can't stand the fuckin eagles. Hope they fall flat on their faces.

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[quote=Meks;1360181]Can't stand the fuckin eagles. Hope they fall flat on their faces.[/quote]

Iggles are going on a Snyderesque shopping spree (back when Snyder wasn't gutting the team for money).

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[quote=NC_Skins;1360099]Elite? ROFL.

Cousins is the king of garbage time stats. I'll upgrade his play from mediocre to above average that but that's it. Man isn't clutch at all though.[/quote]

NC I like you but I respectfully disagree.

Kirk owns the biggest comeback in Redskins history and in NFL history.

Sure his playoff record sucks but the NFL is a team sport. Team plays as much a role in those losses as he does.

His TD-turnover ratio is 3-1. That's better than anyone we've had in the last 30 years. I wouldn't take him back now, but that's because we have the #2 pick and he's 35 years old. We should've paid him when he was due.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1360188]NC I like you but I respectfully disagree.



Kirk owns the biggest comeback in Redskins history and in NFL history.



Sure his playoff record sucks but the NFL is a team sport. Team plays as much a role in those losses as he does.



His TD-turnover ratio is 3-1. That's better than anyone we've had in the last 30 years. I wouldn't take him back now, but that's because we have the #2 pick and he's 35 years old. We should've paid him when he was due.[/QUOTE]It's a team sport but when the quarterback b****** and moans about getting guaranteed money guess what that does to the rest of the team it means they're not going to get as many top players so the rest of the team is going to have issues

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[quote=calia;1360175]Eagles have lost a lot and gained a fair bit. They’ll be an interesting team. Dallas is sitting idle - it’s weird. The rest of the NFCE has been active. Maybe someone needs to tell Jerry that FA has actually begun. (Or not.)


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Have they got any cap space to do any deals with? Wasn't Dak talking about a new deal? Would they be dependent on that freeing up space.

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[URL="https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-salary-cap-tracker-2024-offseason-free-agency-all-32-nfl-teams-ranked-cap-space"]Dallas has cap issues[/URL]

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Mike Williams has been released. We should look into him.