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Bastards, calle it, unfortunately

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Now we are screwed. BPA from now on, Edge or cb in 2nd. The OT free agent cut old guy after draft. First major error by new staff. Keep in mind we must replace 2 ends and a cb and a LT. Sucks. And they got him by trading down. Outmaneuvered by Jerry. Welcome to the rivalry Adam Peters. Time to up your damn game

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Very disappointed we failed to get a viable LT in the draft. Really a big mistake. Hell KC successfully traded, we could have too

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Well best player available at a position of need is almost certainly going to be a CB. So I think that is the direction the Skins should go unless they trade down.

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we have 'starters' at both DE spots from FA.

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Should be BPA after JD anyway. Trade down if anything, and acquire more ammo for the middle rounds.

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There will be no market for trade down, gotta hope for a cb

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terrible execution not to get a starting LT

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And no, we don't really have de "starters" imo

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Love the Daniels pick. Kid is the total package.

Strengths:

1) Decisive
2) Quick Release
3) Accurate
4) Excellent processor
5) Outstanding deep ball
6) Very, very fast and literally runs like a fast wr in open field
7) Very hard worker

Kid is a playmaker and instant offense. Know his arm isn't the strongest velocity wise but it's good enough.

Welcome to DC Jayden Daniels!

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I expect a corner and braswell in 2nd, rosensuck in 3rd

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[quote=skinsnut;1361500]And no, we don't really have de "starters" imo[/quote]

I think we have one in Armstrong (and they are paying him as a starter). Probably not a superstar but maybe a good one (if we are lucky).

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[quote=skinsnut;1361500]And no, we don't really have de "starters" imo[/quote]

that's cool, but the coaches have said otherwise. one's making $11m/year and the other DQ said was expected to start. so... *shrug*

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Top four players at position of need. In order that the Redskins should take with 1st pick.
Cooper Dejeon - CB
Kool-Aid McKinsley - CB
Ja'Tavion Sanders - TE
Ladd McKonkey - WR
or maybe
Junior Colson -LB to develop as a future middle LB.

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I still say we need a DE, and also a CB, OT is over, we missed the boat completely. Yeah they could draft a project, but at this point the best they could do is a backup swing tackle, especially with the crappy Oline coach we have. Really pissed. But I do love our QB! Too bad he is going to run for his life like our last young qb

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No way we draft a wr next, we need a starter for the two 2nd rounders and OT is out. That leaves CB and DE

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[quote=skinsnut;1361507]No way we draft a wr next, we need a starter for the two 2nd rounders and OT is out. That leaves CB and DE[/quote]

Value is at CB and WR. Next tier of edge players that are available are about the same value as the next tier of OTs. I'd go with OT prior to edge. I think best option would be to take a CB and then trade down with the next pick (maybe even trade out completely for a future 1st if there are any takers.

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Why on earth would anyone trade a 2nd for nex years first? There are no stars, no QBs, acquiring more picks is just a pipe dream the way it played out. I mean, I'd love it, but u need a partner, I see the point about wr value, but we can do that in the third as we is loaded and it is for our 3rd spot. We have actual starter roles that are open that we need to nail. It is possible with a 2nd rounder. We just have to pick very wisely. The strategy now should be likelihood to start for round 2. Round 3 is developing starters next year like ilb and the where we have vet placeholders

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I really am soooo pissed we didn't act when we could to get a potential LT. At this point, I would consider trading a 2 or 3 for someone's backup LT

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[quote=skinsnut;1361510]I really am soooo pissed we didn't act when we could to get a potential LT. At this point, I would consider trading a 2 or 3 for someone's backup LT[/quote]

I mean, like you said: "u need a partner".

Trading back into the 1st round was always fan fantasy.

We got our QB, and have five more picks to work with tomorrow. Still many really good players and NFL starters left to be had. Not a lot to be mad about in my opinion.

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Very concerned about the o-line, for another year. With a small.. run very close first....

rookie qb.

Not ideal.

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I would expect Cooper DeJean or Kool Aid with next pick. Maybe Keon Coleman or Junior Colson at 40.

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Thing is, OT are always overdrafted, especially when there is a danger of a run on the position. If they wait for value at OT they wont get one. In a perfect world they could take DeJean at 36 and trade down from 40 to select Suamaetiea (?) or Paul in the 50s. But they will probably have to take one of them at 40. They will likely also need to take one of Fischer/Rosegarten/ Amegadjie/Wallace high in the third. If you ascribe to the more picks is more chances philosophy, which is not neessarily wrong, then you need to draft multiple OT in the hope at least one will turn out to be a decent starter.
You never want to go into a draft desperate for an OT.

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I trust Peters - assuming we take a tackle at some point (to develop) I think he will make the necessary moves to bring in someone he trusts to hold it down for the next year at least.

I also think there's a huge disconnect from the way teams operate and the way fans think. Every year I see a lot of "we need to take OT/CB/etc with the next pick because it's such a huge need" but what if all the tackles available at our next pick have lower round grades on them? Teams operate by going off their draft board, if you can get a player with a first round value in the 2nd you take them. There is room for an upgrade everywhere on this roster so I'm not concerned about taking a player at a position we already have an established starter.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1361514]Thing is, OT are always overdrafted, especially when there is a danger of a run on the position. If they wait for value at OT they wont get one. In a perfect world they could take DeJean at 36 and trade down from 40 to select Suamaetiea (?) or Paul in the 50s. But they will probably have to take one of them at 40. They will likely also need to take one of Fischer/Rosegarten/ Amegadjie/Wallace high in the third. If you ascribe to the more picks is more chances philosophy, which is not neessarily wrong, then you need to draft multiple OT in the hope at least one will turn out to be a decent starter.
You never want to go into a draft desperate for an OT.[/quote]

So they won't get one. It would be stupid to draft a player that can't contribute over a player that could.

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My concern w/ Daniels is will be hold up? And will they protect him? I don't really like Kingsberry's offense because all I saw was a wr heavy offense that didn't seem to put an emphasis on protection or a te. Never saw the QB make checks at the line. Maybe I'm wrong as I did not see a lot of Cards games. But I watched that in season Hard Knocks and just wasn't impressed. Too much college shit w/ just a clap at the line. We have simply got to protect this kid.

Otherwise to me he is a better to much better prospect than Hurts.. or Dak. Just hope they do everything they can make sure he is successful. I really want them to get a complete TE, a true Y, not a tweener which seems to be what we have been drafting.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;1361513]I would expect Cooper DeJean or Kool Aid with next pick. Maybe Keon Coleman or Junior Colson at 40.[/quote]

Agree, stick to the board and if a first round graded player falls to you at 36, take him


Absolutely do not fucking reach for a tackle.

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[quote=Meks;1361512]Very concerned about the o-line, for another year. With a small.. run very close first....

rookie qb.

Not ideal.[/quote]

At the end of the day all of these guys are not complete QB's. In college a lot of guys are not even asked to read the entire field. What I like is Daniels kept getting a lot better. He is still nowhere near a finished product.

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[quote=nonniey;1361519]So they won't get one. It would be stupid to draft a player that can't contribute over a player that could.[/quote]

I disagree. Look at Penix Jr - he gets to sit and learn from a good qb and if that good qb who never got injured until last year gets injured again they will have a good rookie in there to take his place.

Not saying we should draft a DT when we already have two good players on big money deals, but I'm not gonna question Peters. You draft the guy you think has the best chance to succeed in the NFL, not the position you need the most. Look at the 2021 qb class - that class has mostly turned out to be ass and even Trevor Lawrence isn't a stud and he's the only one left with his original team.

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[quote=Chico23231;1361523]Agree, stick to the board and if a first round graded player falls to you at 36, take him


Absolutely do not fucking reach for a tackle.[/quote]

Note the date - me and Chico agreed on something :laughing2

I don't want a tackle if all the tackles left are graded terribly. Peters will do what he needs to do to shore the position up. Yes drafting is ideal but it doesn't always work the way you want it to.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1361520]My concern w/ Daniels is will be hold up? And will they protect him? I don't really like Kingsberry's offense because all I saw was a wr heavy offense that didn't seem to put an emphasis on protection or a te. Never saw the QB make checks at the line. Maybe I'm wrong as I did not see a lot of Cards games. But I watched that in season Hard Knocks and just wasn't impressed. Too much college shit w/ just a clap at the line. We have simply got to protect this kid.

Otherwise to me he is a better to much better prospect than Hurts.. or Dak. Just hope they do everything they can make sure he is successful. I really want them to get a complete TE, a true Y, not a tweener which seems to be what we have been drafting.[/quote]

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/02/26/kliff-kingsbury-commanders-offense/[/url]

Sam Fortie wrote this article and I have it saved…here is the key part, you want your QB to progress and have success, then you put him under center.

One way to see it is on play-action fakes. Fakes from under center, known as “hard” play-action, generally force linebackers to step up to stop the run more aggressively than “soft” fakes from shotgun, which allow linebackers a split second longer to read the play, letting them stay in passing lanes longer and making the quarterback’s margin for error smaller.
In January, Fox NFL broadcaster Greg Olsen pointed out one common thread among C.J. Stroud, Jordan Love and Brock Purdy, three young quarterbacks who had success last season: Their offensive coordinators made things easier on them by putting them under center on early downs.

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[quote=mooby;1361526]Note the date - me and Chico agreed on something :laughing2

I don't want a tackle if all the tackles left are graded terribly. Peters will do what he needs to do to shore the position up. Yes drafting is ideal but it doesn't always work the way you want it to.[/quote]

I think we agree a lot Mooby

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[quote=mooby;1361515]I trust Peters - assuming we take a tackle at some point (to develop) I think he will make the necessary moves to bring in someone he trusts to hold it down for the next year at least.

I also think there's a huge disconnect from the way teams operate and the way fans think. Every year I see a lot of "we need to take OT/CB/etc with the next pick because it's such a huge need" but what if all the tackles available at our next pick have lower round grades on them? Teams operate by going off their draft board, if you can get a player with a first round value in the 2nd you take them. There is room for an upgrade everywhere on this roster so I'm not concerned about taking a player at a position we already have an established starter.[/quote]

THIS.
The best players left after round 1 feeding frenzy on offense are defensive players.
We have needs on both sides of the ball and will be able to use almost any player immediately that has 1st round pedigree.
This is why I believe DeJean or Kool Aid will be picked here. Both a position of need, and ready to start. One could make a case at being the best or at least top 3 CB this year. A steal at 36.

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I had hoped we would move up to get a top OT prospect. C'est la vie. I agree that one of DeJean or Kool-Aid would be a very likely pick at 36. We would get a starting quality CB which is a need.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1361501]Love the Daniels pick. Kid is the total package.

Strengths:

1) Decisive
2) Quick Release
3) Accurate
4) Excellent processor
5) Outstanding deep ball
6) Very, very fast and literally runs like a fast wr in open field
7) Very hard worker

Kid is a playmaker and instant offense. Know his arm isn't the strongest velocity wise but it's good enough.

Welcome to DC Jayden Daniels![/quote].

Another strength that’s not talked about enough. He had the second fewest turnover worthy plays (7) behind Nix (5).

[url]https://x.com/nfl_df/status/1754875347533721879?s=46[/url]

Day 2, I wouldn’t reach for an OT with the first two picks. CB, TE, G, WR should all be in play.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1361501]Love the Daniels pick. Kid is the total package.

Strengths:

1) Decisive
2) Quick Release
3) Accurate
4) Excellent processor
5) Outstanding deep ball
6) Very, very fast and literally runs like a fast wr in open field
7) Very hard worker

Kid is a playmaker and instant offense. Know his arm isn't the strongest velocity wise but it's good enough.

Welcome to DC Jayden Daniels![/quote].

Another strength that’s not talked about enough. He had the second fewest turnover worthy plays (7) behind Nix (5).

[url]https://x.com/nfl_df/status/1754875347533721879?s=46[/url]

Day 2, I wouldn’t reach for an OT with the first two picks. CB, TE, G, WR should all be in play.

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The ATL Pennix thing is pretty wild, just don’t get why you trade for Cousins and then immediately take his replacement instead of grabbing a WR for him

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[quote=MTK;1361536]The ATL Pennix thing is pretty wild, just don’t get why you trade for Cousins and then immediately take his replacement instead of grabbing a WR for him[/quote]Agreed. Even crazier that Cousins didn't know about it nor did Penix Jr. look thrilled when he got drafted. He is one of the older qbs in the draft. This pick is the most notable surprise to me so far in this draft.

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WE NEED LADD!!! Replace Samuels in the slot.

Daniels, McLaurin, Robinson/Ekeler, McConkey, Ertz, Dotson. That's a solid fucking group.

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[quote=mooby;1361515]I trust Peters - assuming we take a tackle at some point (to develop) I think he will make the necessary moves to bring in someone he trusts to hold it down for the next year at least.

I also think there's a huge disconnect from the way teams operate and the way fans think. Every year I see a lot of "we need to take OT/CB/etc with the next pick because it's such a huge need" but what if all the tackles available at our next pick have lower round grades on them? Teams operate by going off their draft board, if you can get a player with a first round value in the 2nd you take them. There is room for an upgrade everywhere on this roster so I'm not concerned about taking a player at a position we already have an established starter.[/quote]

I agree with all this.

We have 8 more picks to use for a Tackle (or two). Maybe they don't start this year, but there no guarantee trading back into the 1st round would get you anything more than what you're going to get in round 3 - unless you were planning on jumping all the way up into the top 15. I'm glad they didn't do that.

I also think it's possible they are ok with starting the season with Lucas and Wylie as the starting Tackles. I know that's not a popular scenario, but it is possible. Either way, there will be many more opportunities for them to shore up the Tackle position between today and September.

BPA moving forward.